Quebec Demands "French-First" Videogames

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cleverlymadeup

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cathou said:
and cleverlymadeup should know if he was so informed about Quebec, that we dont even have 7 elevens in quebec (so they didnt had to change their name), that futureshop is not boycott at all here, and that we do have best buy (which in fact, own futureshop)
i'm just going to say that you didn't even read my post, as i explained WHY there is no 7-11's in quebec AND i explained what futureshop stores did in quebec

i also mentioned WHY the languages laws came into effect

so please READ my posts before you try and make a smart retort and get proven wrong

however nice it is that people want to be able to speak french and be served in french, the fact is the language laws are actually detrimental to the province as many companies won't operate or remove their services from quebec due to the laws there

cathou said:
bon cop bad cop. you probably dont know that movie. but still it made 13 million dollars in theatres in quebec alone. 1.3 million outside. name me one canadian movie that have done this...
porky's
porky's 2
porky's revenge
prom night
black christmas
strange brew
meatballs

pretty sure i could find more than that
 

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Ah Quebec, ruining fun for everyone through their douchebagalicious language laws.
As a Canadian, I look at Quebec as the PETA of provinces...

Their cause is understandable, and possibly even totally justifiable (Depending on your opinion) but they just go about it in all the wrong ways... They draw way too much negative attention to themselves, and what happens? People stop taking them seriously, and suddenly they've alienated themselves from everyone else. Then when they actually have a valid complaint or point, no one wants to hear it because of how ridiculous they've made themselves seem.
 

cathou

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question : why anybody care anyway ? it's a quebec only law. wont affect anybody outside.

and that law is working great for PC games since 2007. nobody complained. And like i've already state most of console games are already in french anyway.

i mean the france version, even if it's PAL (or SECAM i dont remember) i dont think it need much programing to put it in NTSC. They already putting bilingual manual in every game sold here, so they already showed that they are willing to work with that kind of laws.

if you looik at that chart (yes i know it's in french sorry...)

www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/francisation/consommateurs/secteur/jeux_video/palmares_200809.pdf

you see that in september, from 30 games comming out in consoles 24 are in french, 3 are in english without any french version in europe, and 1 is in english while france had one in french.

so for that whole month only 1 games out of 30 is falling under that new law (which dont look for past releases, only the games that are comming out after april first) and if they were willing too, nintendo could have do a french version of Brawl in quebec (it's wierd anyway because they usually have french games).

i'm pretty sure that they build the law with the help of the developers. remember that EA, ubisoft and EIDOS have office in Montreal...
 

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I'm not gonna argue any more with you people. Everyone here seems to be entitled to their opinions, no matter how misguided or based solely on heard-of stuff, stereotypes and general dislike about a people they barely even know of.

What I quoted where examples of acting like a bunch of mouth frothing trolls. You have all the right to disagree with this law, like a lot of people- both francophones and anglophones- including myself, also disagree with. But you have no right to insult people like that, heck, the whole population of a province, even if it's the internet. Stop being so close-minded and rude. Plus, you totally defeat all your arguments about the intolerant nature of this law because you are acting even more intolerant right now. Try to discuss like adults, and not foul-mouthed little child that believe they can win an argument and impose their opinions on other by resorting to the most insults as possible.

Look at cathou, she is able to discuss with you, from the "opposite" side in this discussion (oh no! She is a big bad french canadian with their big bad attempt at a distinct culture! O_O) without insulting anyone or slandering the whole population they come from.

Also, allow me to remind the person that cleverly said we should be re-invaded and repressed to "fix" all the "problems" with us. That's exactly the cause of the problem in the first place. The french colony was taken over by another country who did attempt to assimilate them times and times again, and they fought back because that's what pretty much any human population would react to such a situation.
Imagine some random country barges in whatever-you-live tomorrow, invade and try to assimilate you. Even if they aren't overtly cruel or unjust, like the British were (don't read it wrong, it's in the sense: the British weren't overtly cruel), you surely ain't gonna be overjoyed about it. Suddently you all must learn Esperanto, and change your religion to Pastafarianism, political power is wrestled from any people that doesn't comply- at best- or whatever, you probably won't think this is all fun and completely give up your past language, religion and cultural identity just because someone decided they were your boss and would choose for you.
That's how humans works. Heck, USA separated from the British empire to become their own country and they were an english colony in the first place. But they had discording views over a lot of things and that was enough to cause the rift. And now, to anyone here that comes from there, or that sees nothing wrong with the reasoning for their own independance, I can't believe you can't even fathom the reasoning of Québec's own independence movement.

Now, a lot of time as passed, and as for myself the old wrongs shouldn't come into matter when we come to relationship between our provinces and it's people, but it's always easier for the "conqueror" to forget the bad things of the past than the "conquered". And even if we both don't like it, the politics and the such will always be a bit shaky because the clash between both sides in the past wasn't a perfect and friendly base to make a harmonious culture. You can't grab two cultures, forcefully crash them together and order them to become a perfect union just like that. Especially if you basically force one side to just surrender it's identity for the other's.

So now. This ain't perfect. We need to make more efforts to live with you, but so do you. Everyone makes efforts on their side, but do they also see the efforts made by the other? You say that in all the other provinces in Canada you can learn French. But who among you did learn French, and by that I mean more that "oui, non, merci". Then, looking back at Québec, what portion of the population did learn English? Just looking at the numbers on this very forum where of course every francophone that came here is able to write in English and discuss with you. If you'd just care to look at url=http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/analytic/companion/lang/bilingual.cfm]the percentages[/url], like of Québec's population that is bilingual compared to your own province, and think about it all. You can't claim that "my" side isn't making an effort. To the contrary of some others, whose younger population bothers less and less to make the same effort. (why bother for other cultures anyways, eh?)

Anyways. Nobody forces you to like and learn about my province, but you shouldn't just randomly spout hate at it, especially when all you know about it is "It's full of french."
And as for further discussion about it, learn respect, learn tolerance.

Not a single Quebecois that came here insulting you guys and throwing crap at you because of the language you speak or your culture or whatever. Try to do the same in return.
Let's all try to behave, if we ever want to claim to be living together.
 

CelebrenIthil

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Hankage said:
CelebrenIthil said:
Not a single Quebecois that came here insulting you guys and throwing crap at you because of the language you speak or your culture or whatever.
Yeah, they just treat us like second-class citizens because we don't speak the language. Try getting away with even half of what Quebec does in any other province and you'd be up to your armpits in lawsuits.
Just like a francophone that doesn't speak English is equally mistreated when barging into a province that is solely anglophone. It's certain that if you don't bother speaking the official language of a place, you can't run around like your the king of the place. Have you heard stories about francophone communities having a hard time getting help and recognition in anglophone provinces? I have, but you probably haven't, because you don't care.
And that's normal, you can't know and care about everyone and everything in the country. But don't go thinking you are alone having this treatment, and that Quebec an any worse offender that you own province. Except maybe if you are from New-Brunswick, because they hopefully bothered to have both language as their official's, but then again I don't live there so I don't know how how exactly they fare, and neither will claim I know.

And why would I ever lawsuit your province for having laws about your own main language? I don't know where you come from but I'm sure you have laws here asking signs, advertisement, products and the such to be also written in English, if not solely in English. No matter if they don't ask it to be in a bigger font or whatever you might fret about, they are not that different. You just don't see them because you don't need to think about them: you're anglophone.
 

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Jesus Christ, Celebrenlthil... I wish I had as much time to read your novellas as you have to write them.

I admit that my previous comment was knee-jerk, but it was based on this French Canadian Ottawa native's first-hand experiences with language Nazis in Quebec. Not politicians, mind you, but narrow-minded Pepsis who threw ***** fits when I spoke to them in English (I have French Canadian blood, but was raised and schooled as an Anglophone - right now my Czech is better than my French).

Anyway, with piracy and digital distribution through, for instance, Steam, I suppose the whole "French-First" games matter is really a non-issue. I've had to use these resources to get games that are only available in Czech, not due to language laws, but market demand. (my bad if I'm just repeating what someone else has already brought up - I've just been skimming through this thread).
 

cathou

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BillBarilko said:
Jesus Christ, Celebrenlthil... I wish I had as much time to read your novellas as you have to write them.

I admit that my previous comment was knee-jerk, but it was based on this French Canadian Ottawa native's first-hand experiences with language Nazis in Quebec. Not politicians, mind you, but narrow-minded Pepsis who threw ***** fits when I spoke to them in English (I have French Canadian blood, but was raised and schooled as an Anglophone - right now my Czech is better than my French).

Anyway, with piracy and digital distribution through, for instance, Steam, I suppose the whole "French-First" games matter is really a non-issue. I've had to use these resources to get games that are only available in Czech, not due to language laws, but market demand. (my bad if I'm just repeating what someone else has already brought up - I've just been skimming through this thread).
meh, i got left 4 dead in french with steam... and again, for computer games this law is already in application since 2007... anyway, the gaming companies dont have opinion in laws like that. they just do a simple math equation :

"potential revenu of the game" - "cost of translating the game" - "cost of distribution for a bilingual version" - "cost of production for bilingual games" = X

if X > 0$ then do it.

on another point, for your experience, it work both ways. i used to work in retails store in montreal, and i cannot even count how many time i was yelled at : "speak to me in english, we are in north america, so speak english you idiot" instead of just politely asking me to speak in english...

now can we please let this subject die ?
 

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I meant I buy my games through Steam, or try them through torrents, to play them in English instead of buying localized versions from retailers in Prague. What I like about these means of distribution is that language laws don't come into play at all for PC games. Ok, it's an issue for the console players (well, they can always turn to the pirates if they want) - damn, that was ignorant of me... d-uh...

Yes, we English speakers can be total dicks with our "Speak to me in English!" bullshit, Christ knows I've heard plenty of that in Prague. But that strikes me more as a kind of impersonal ignorance. The Pepsis (and I'm not using that term as a generalization of Quebeckers as a whole, but of a certain group of Quebeckers with a messed-up sense of pride) who busted my balls for speaking to them in English were simply spiteful. Their argument was basically, "You're in my province, where we speak French, so you speak French!" Funny thing was that on a few occasions they made this argument in English.

Anyway, yeah, you're right, let the subject die. Ebony and Ivory, Hostess Twinkie and Jos Louis.
 

CelebrenIthil

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BillBarilko said:
Jesus Christ, Celebrenlthil... I wish I had as much time to read your novellas as you have to write them.
Hahahah, don't worry, I write pretty fast so it didn't take so much time. But I guess since we are not on the Steam forums, I didn't bother to make a TLDR (Too Long, Didn't Read) version. XD

Anyways. We'd probably better to let the matter die indeed. Hopefuly, maybe in the future we'll rather get some thread about the cool aspects of when different cultures meet, and we can continue discussing, but about the good experiences we had. I'm sure it'd be plenty interesting!
Oh well!

Until the next time, and meanwhile, I'll just keep buying the games in their original language because the translations rarely ever do justice to the text and voice-acting- and let the mandatory translations be there for the children that haven't learnt a second language yet, or whoever speaks only a language, or just don't feel like playing in a languiage they are not as comfortable with!
 

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I am an English quebecer (as you can see) and have difficulties with the french language (ironic, I know) so this announcement hit me pretty hard because i don't often get the chance to go to any of the other provinces or even to the U.S. due to the fact that I live in Northern Quebec which is pretty far from anything... So I think that I might be screwed. Plus TheBlueSader has a point language laws never lead to anything good, it`s hard enough to live under the condition where everything has to be french already and now they are taking my escape from the frenchedness! Sigh*
 

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You know what else p*%&/s me off! Most you people leaving comments on the message board aren't from Quebec but fell the need to rush in and leave their opinion on everything they see even though it will have no out worldly effects on themselves...
 

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Well, look at this way. An American wouldn't want to play a game thats in German, if they don't know the language do they?

Hopefully, this'll help gaming sales in that country.