Question about "friend zone".

[Muspelheim]

Yes. That's really the vibe that comes across, perhaps it could do with a rephrasing. It sounded rather frighteningly like "It's my right to do with you what I wish", hence why I felt it sounded chauvinistic.

But yes, fighting for your rights and not allowing yourself to be trampled on is a good trait, something that should be encouraged. How will things ever change for the better if noone ever tries? But I don't think that someone should feel entitled to a relationship just because they are being nice. It's a mutual thing, after all.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Yes. That's really the vibe that comes across, perhaps it could do with a rephrasing. It sounded rather frighteningly like "It's my right to do with you what I wish", hence why I felt it sounded chauvinistic.

http://troll.me/images/home-simpson-panic/oh-fuck.jpg

...is pretty much everything i'm thinking now. :|

 

[Muspelheim]

Yes. That's really the vibe that comes across, perhaps it could do with a rephrasing. It sounded rather frighteningly like "It's my right to do with you what I wish", hence why I felt it sounded chauvinistic.

http://troll.me/images/home-simpson-panic/oh-fuck.jpg

...is pretty much everything i'm thinking now. :|

Well, I'm very glad that isn't at all what you ment, and I can agree on what it was you actually ment, if that's any consolation. :3

 

[Vault101]

Better for whom, exactly?

What are you asking about ? Are you suggesting that switching status from friend to "let's be together" equals hurting somebody ?

because Id be totally fine going out with a guy Im not really attracted too

and OBVIOUSLY Im not being attracked to him on purpose right? (because women are she-devils like that)

 

[Vault101]

I regards to this "freind zone" thing...

if a guy is interested in me I want him to make it pretty damn clear, its not my fault if I have a freind who is a guy, but never tells me he want to be more..somhow its MY fault and ive been stringing him along

 

[Combustion Kevin]

I regards to this "freind zone" thing...

if a guy is interested in me I want him to make it pretty damn clear, its not my fault if I have a freind who is a guy, but never tells me he want to be more..somhow its MY fault and ive been stringing him along

and then say men don't get subtlety?

and no, if a guy never says anything it can not be your fault.
the problem lies in that some girls dont give a "no" but a "maybe", and THEN string the poor fuck along with false hopes.

but yeah, there are guys who may resent you for that, and I'd like to point you to my earlier post on this thread for a further explanation on this particular kind of people.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Well, I'm very glad that isn't at all what you ment, and I can agree on what it was you actually ment, if that's any consolation. :3

Unfortunatelly, i must commit ritual seppuku. Farewell cruel world.

Better for whom, exactly?

What are you asking about ? Are you suggesting that switching status from friend to "let's be together" equals hurting somebody ?

because Id be totally fine going out with a guy Im not really attracted too
and OBVIOUSLY Im not being attracked to him on purpose right? (because women are she-devils like that)

If there wouldn't be anything interesting in this guy, you wouldn't consider him "friend' in the 1st place. Matter of good looks only ? That's both a little shallow, and woman's ultimate argument against chauvinism isn't it ?

 

[Vault101]

Well, I'm very glad that isn't at all what you ment, and I can agree on what it was you actually ment, if that's any consolation. :3

Unfortunatelly, i must commit ritual seppuku. Farewell cruel world.

Better for whom, exactly?

What are you asking about ? Are you suggesting that switching status from friend to "let's be together" equals hurting somebody ?

because Id be totally fine going out with a guy Im not really attracted too
and OBVIOUSLY Im not being attracked to him on purpose right? (because women are she-devils like that)

If there wouldn't be anything interesting in this guy, you wouldn't consider him "friend' in the 1st place. Matter of good looks only ? That's both a little shallow, and woman's ultimate argument against chauvinism isn't it ?

its not just about looks, its about weather I want to go out with this guy or not

mabye I dont...so what? thats not my fault

and whats wrong with freindship? say I do go out iwth a freind..it gets awkard...we break up...even more awkwardness

 

[JesterRaiin]

If there wouldn't be anything interesting in this guy, you wouldn't consider him "friend' in the 1st place. Matter of good looks only ? That's both a little shallow, and woman's ultimate argument against chauvinism isn't it ?

its not just about looks, its about weather I want to go out with this guy or not

mabye I dont...so what? thats not my fault

and whats wrong with freindship? say I do go out iwth a freind..it gets awkard...we break up...even more awkwardness

Why, how nice !
We're talking about a completely hypothetical situation and your attitude is "no".

 

[Vault101]

If there wouldn't be anything interesting in this guy, you wouldn't consider him "friend' in the 1st place. Matter of good looks only ? That's both a little shallow, and woman's ultimate argument against chauvinism isn't it ?

its not just about looks, its about weather I want to go out with this guy or not

mabye I dont...so what? thats not my fault

and whats wrong with freindship? say I do go out iwth a freind..it gets awkard...we break up...even more awkwardness

Why, how nice !
We're talking about a completely hypothetical situation and your attitude is "no".

I thourght this "hypothetical" situation was if I was saying no to my "freind" (thats the whole point here isnt it?)

I mean if a girl asks you out and you say no does that make you a bad person? are you morally obligated to go out wiht every girl that asks?

a "realtionship" is different to a freindship, theres a whole lot more crap added, its not some "awww your sweet..ok!" thing

 

[Vault101]

My stance on the friend zone is as follow, if the friend zone gets dropped on you and you're romantically interested, back pedal as fast as you can. Just server the head of that beast asap. Just stop the contact, don't be cold and avoid her like the plague, but turn her into one of those casual acquaintances that you see around work/school/whatever you say hi, quick pleasantries and then move on, no real contact outside of that.
.

but thats not "the freind zone" is it? because you were never freinds with her, you aksed her out and she said no....and you decided that would be the end of it

 

[JesterRaiin]

Actually it's pretty clear where the point is here. It's stupid to compare forcing 'joint operations' to a relationship for pretty blatant reasons that you choose to ignore.

My circuss, my monkeys. Not your thing ? Don't buy tickets next time. Simple as that.

Ok, you're not capable of understanding that your analogy sucked and this being your thread doesn't make it any less stupid of an analogy. Well that's sad.

Jezu Chryste na stelażu...
Could you explain what you mean by "joint event" ? C'mon, indulge me.

What I mean? Pretty funny there. It's pretty obvious. Event. Involving. Both. People. Working. Together.

Not precisely. "Both" "Joint events" can involve more than two people. Actually "joint events" can be quite big.
But let's move on. Are "joint events" exclusive to let's say "feelings", "romantical relationship" and such ?

No. Now is this a thread about romantic relationships?

"No". Exactly.
So one more question if you will. Could you give me some examples of "joint events" ? Possibily some big things (involving more than two people).

Either you failed to answer my question or you're a ridiculous pedant. And anyone here can tell this is about romantic relationships.

So, how about those examples ? Go on please...

You're a pretty sad person.

Thanks for reminding. Now, how about those examples ? No need to be shy !

It's more or less like accusing someone of trying to speak for all black people when they respond negatively to "Black people are property". Because you pretty much just spewed the misogynistic equivalent about women.

Great to know. Now, how about those examples... ?

Spoiler: BTW

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.

http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/data/roadbike/500/I-see-what-you-did-there-Fry.jpg

;p

 

[JesterRaiin]

Actually it's pretty clear where the point is here. It's stupid to compare forcing 'joint operations' to a relationship for pretty blatant reasons that you choose to ignore.

My circuss, my monkeys. Not your thing ? Don't buy tickets next time. Simple as that.

Ok, you're not capable of understanding that your analogy sucked and this being your thread doesn't make it any less stupid of an analogy. Well that's sad.

Jezu Chryste na stelażu...
Could you explain what you mean by "joint event" ? C'mon, indulge me.

What I mean? Pretty funny there. It's pretty obvious. Event. Involving. Both. People. Working. Together.

Not precisely. "Both" "Joint events" can involve more than two people. Actually "joint events" can be quite big.
But let's move on. Are "joint events" exclusive to let's say "feelings", "romantical relationship" and such ?

No. Now is this a thread about romantic relationships?

"No". Exactly.
So one more question if you will. Could you give me some examples of "joint events" ? Possibily some big things (involving more than two people).

Either you failed to answer my question or you're a ridiculous pedant. And anyone here can tell this is about romantic relationships.

snip failing to answer

So, where's the bit where you admit that the thread is about relationships?

Everything in due time, my young Padawan. Let's not stray from right path, let's not break our little experiment in the middle.
Now, where were we ? Ah yes. Examples. Is it really that hard for you to follow this simple request ?

Could you give me some examples of "joint events" ? Possibily some big things (involving more than two people).

Whole day and no answer, only desperate attempts to escape the answer ? May it be that (regarding this request) all your mind is capable to produce are visions of rape and stuff ? Or rather you already see that "joint event" is quite wide definition and covers more activities than only rape ? If so, i guess that you're following this path :

If you find that you are being beaten, you can create a diversion--that is, you can suddenly begin to talk of something else, as though it had a bearing on the matter in dispute.
This may be done without presumption if the diversion has some general bearing on the matter.

 

[chowderface]

Why, how nice !
We're talking about a completely hypothetical situation and your attitude is "no".

I feel like you're not really comprehending the point of your own thread...

 

[JesterRaiin]

Desperate? You asked a question, I retaliated with one. Why are you dodging? HMMMMM? Hiding something?

A few dead, mutilated bodies, why so curious ?

But anyway, I won't give answers because it isn't relevant. There are plenty, me giving some is just an exercise in you playing stupid. If you're not bright enough to think of your own, don't ask me stupid questions.

Sooner or later everything comes down to a single fact : people react aggressively not because of what has been said or written, but because of what they understood. Funny that flames seem to be better solution than simple request about clarification.
...And with that i bid you good day. I hope you had as much fun as i did even despite your inability to produce both examples and a single post without attacking yours truly.

Why, how nice !
We're talking about a completely hypothetical situation and your attitude is "no".

I feel like you're not really comprehending the point of your own thread...

I know what i meant when i started most of my topics. Where have they led me - that's another story.