Racist tram woman watches video evidence; denies everything

[Auron225]

Even if the video, shot from about 3 feet away from her face, somehow wasn't enough evidence, I wonder how many witnesses there were... I highly doubt any of them feel like doing her any favors...

Just saying "Im guilty" wouldve been better than trying this crap.

And regarding whether or not she should have been arrested, I'm glad she was. The video's on the internet for dears sake! Everyone knows who she is. Am I the only one who woud find it very strange if she received no charge whatsoever for this, and no-one wanted to take the law into their own hands?

 

[orangeapples]

I thought you guys were all like, chipper and such. Ya know, "By God ol' chap, would you like some crumpets and tea?" "Right-o good sire." What happened? you're one of the few people with a fun stereotype but for some reason you all decided to live that down...

 

[Zhadramekel]

Just charge the idiot already. She did it, she knows it, she screwed up, now she's gotta face the consequences. That's the way the world works, get over it.

 

[Spitfire]

Empathy? SHE SHOULD BUUU[/UUUUUUUUUUUUURN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TRIGGERED THIS.

We're supposed to care what made her show what a rotten racist piece of shit she is? Because quite frankly short of making a public apology and recanting her blatant racism there's little reason to think that isn't her actual belief.

If you think that someone deserves the worst because of some words of no consequence that they spoke, then you're no better than the very racists that you're ranting against, and you're just as ignorant, and just as hateful as they are.

Racism is a product of irrational thinking and misplaced fears, and the only way to change that, is to educate people, and prove them wrong, not by inciting more hate.

What's wrong with not trying to pretend I said something I didn't? Is it too hard for you? Is that your problem? Or is it something... else about you? You know?

Because I don't think anyone with an IQ above 10 sees me saying that they deserve the worst. But apparently there are people who have to make shit up and I wonder what exactly is wrong with them.

You did notice the "if" at the beginning of that sentence, right? God forbid someone use a hypothetical to illustrate a point.
And the point was, that disregarding the causes for racism is counterproductive to rooting out racism, something that seems to be lost on the many Escapist members who've called for blood in this thread.

Oh well if you were just trying to defend the woman because you're racist that's horrible. Notice the if at the front and let's ignore the fact there are implications to stupid statements like that.

Perhaps I didn't phrase my original post as well as I could have, but surely it's not that hard to keep track of the context of the conversation, is it?

Context doesn't do much for addressing something to me that has nothing to do with me. It doesn't erase the obvious accusatory implications.

You can interpret it however you want, but I know what I said, and I know what I meant.

Read lackthenack's post, read your response, then read mine. I don't know what else to say to you.

Disregarding the causes? Oh don't make me laugh. As if they're going to listen if we just root out the causes, which are hardly simple things.

That's your opinion.

I happen to live in a country that has a huge share of racists, and, while I won't go into detail with this, allow me to tell you, that when you challenge someone's perception on the issue with the right arguments, and if the person is even remotely open minded, they'll often see reason.

I'm somewhat doubtful about how well that's going to work in general. And certainly not on people who are so convinced that they're not racist because they've been raised to know it's awful.

That's actually a really good point, but that's a far more complex subject, that we can't get into here.

 

[Void Droid]

She has got a point, in a way, foreigners are taking some jobs, but that's because no one in the UK wanted to do the shit jobs when there was other work available, now that there isn't, well, let's just say a lot of people would reconsider turning down a job offer to stand at traffic lights selling the daily paper.

This is fact but no reason to march non Brits onto a train/plane/boat and send them home, apply for the job yourself and just make sure you give the best interview you can and quit moaning about losing the position to a foreigner unless you actually did and can prove it, might be you were just not the best candidate.

I went to collect my girlfriend from work yesterday, she is Hungarian, and when I got there some drunk twats waiting for a bus were complaining to her that they are out off work because of people like her. Obviously being the calm and collected guy I am I asked them (instead of just telling them to go fuck themselves) if any of them spoke German, in which they replied no, so I told them they could never have had her job in the first place and it's not her fault they didn't know the language, then they sodded off shouting some bullshit about "foreigners should be shot", utter morons.

Anyway, as I said, some foreigner are taking our jobs but if you aren't skilled enough or are too proud to do the job when it was available then you should quit your complaining and try to better yourself instead of blaming those who just want to make a living, just because a job is performed in this country it doesn't automatically make it "ours". You should be allowed to speak your opinion ONLY if you are able to do it without offence otherwise you are just sprouting hate and need, not necessarily punished, but re-educated, maybe sent to a day class on fairness and equality (instead of being named and shamed or a fine), something that will benefit yourself rather than hinder.

(Rant over and maybe not fully on topic but still a bit annoyed by the drunks).

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

She should be put on an educational program, perhaps made to do a course in the history of Britain. That would do us all far more good than sticking her behind bars.

Nice to see not much has changed in the last couple hundred years on the racism front in the UK.

That's incredibly unfair. Ours is one of the least racist countries in the world.

 

[Doclector]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

Thing is, she blames the asylum seekers personally, when really, they're the smallest part of a far bigger problem. Employers will constantly hire immigrant workers because they'll work for less. This is unfair on pretty much every level aside from the greedy employer. It means british people have less of a chance of getting the job, and the immigrant workers aren't being paid as much as a british person in the same position would've been, which is practically racist. It's taking advantage of them.

And let's face it, we all know what caused the current dive in employment, the recession. And Immigrants weren't the ones causing that, that was the damn bankers.

Yes, immigrant workers are part of the problem, we need to spread the load of immigrants across the EU more, but it's more the way immigrant workers are treated and a system that allowed the banks to be so reckless for so long that has us in the mess we're in now.

As for that ignorant b****, she deserves every bit of hate she gets. I just hope that she doesn't become a martyr for others who hold her views.

 

[Something Amyss]

Just saying "Im guilty" wouldve been better than trying this crap.

Last I saw, she still hasn't entered a plea, despite what was claimed here. That was an error, but it's more fun to complain about how stupid she is for denying things than actually take two seconds to look at what's really going on.

I never understood why idiots bother denying things WHEN THEIR ON FRICKEN TAPE

In this case, she didn't.

At least, last I could find actual information.

 

[Versuvius]

Incidentally people should learn the difference between Asylum Seekers, Illegal Immigrants and Migrant Workers. Only one group of these have the right to work and be paid a wage, the above two need to either get false documents or find work that doesn't actually get picked up on, which is illegal as it is untaxed anyway. Asylum seekers as benefit scroungers is a fallacy as they get paid a fraction of what any citizen gets and are only allowed to stay if the country is a warzone and going back would mean them in all likely hood, being killed. Rulings on human rights that shey shoudln't be deported because they have a rabbit or a dog as we have heard of happenings before ARE ludicrous and need scruitinising. People need to learn things like this before they make opinions.

 

[Zeckt]

The scary thing is I fully agree that they force us to respect their culture when we go to their countries but when they come to ours they ignore it. I find this extremely hypocritical.

 

[Fleischer]

The scary thing is I fully agree that they force us to respect their culture when we go to their countries but when they come to ours they ignore it. I find this extremely hypocritical.

I'm confused. I am guessing the last part of your statement was saying that immigrants/foreigners come the country you live in they ignore your culture? Can you paint me some examples?

 

[Auron225]

Just saying "Im guilty" wouldve been better than trying this crap.

Last I saw, she still hasn't entered a plea, despite what was claimed here. That was an error, but it's more fun to complain about how stupid she is for denying things than actually take two seconds to look at what's really going on.

"A WOMAN accused of racially abusing fellow passengers on a south London tram denied the charges when she appeared at a south London court today (Dec 6)."

"She spoke only to confirm her name and to enter a 'not guilty' plea. "

You did actually READ the article, right? And that was an error - it didn't take me two seconds to read the article... more like 20. Had you taken the 20 seconds to read the article, you would've realised that she has entered a "not guilty" plea, and she is denying it. But its more fun to be a troll, right?

 

[Something Amyss]

Ah, crap, post got cleared out. Let's try this again.

You did actually READ the article, right? And that was an error - it didn't take me two seconds to read the article... more like 20. Had you taken the 20 seconds to read the article, you would've realised that she has entered a "not guilty" plea, and she is denying it. But its more fun to be a troll, right?

I did read the article.

I also read the BBC's article on it, which said:

An administrative error earlier led to Ms West entering a not guilty plea.

The court file was later amended to show she has not yet pleaded.

Emphasis mine.

Of course, since she only offered a plea and confirmed her name in the original version, she really didn't deny ANYTHING, since simply pleading not guilty does not inherently count as a denial of the racist rant as the article claims.

But it's easier to rant in ignorance and call people trolls, innit?

 

[Something Amyss]

The scary thing is I fully agree that they force us to respect their culture when we go to their countries but when they come to ours they ignore it. I find this extremely hypocritical.

It is scary you agree with something that's little more than a bogeyman, yes.

 

[ElPatron]

First off this is an issue every western country is currently facing, and your knowledge of geopolitics (or lack thereof) disturbs me. It's become really easy for everyone to blame the immigrants for every problem the west is currently facing but the issue lies more with the economic downturn than anything recent immigrants are doing. Sure you'll have a few obstinate migrants from every group that refuse to integrate, but that dies off after one or two generations at most.

Not every Western country has the same laws as the UK.

I know there are issues everywhere but not with the magnitude it is happening in the UK. I've been there, seen that.