Rage against the machine

[Gladion]

This topic really is a bit fucking late. Why not start ranting on an actor again who's been dead for about 7 years? Anyways, I never heard that this band had been generally hated among adults.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

They're anarchists. Anarchy = Stupidity.

Fairly sure they're socialists.

Let's see...
Running through the streets, check.
Yelling loudly, check.
Breaking things, check.
Yep, they're anarchists. Maybe you haven't read about what happened in St. Paul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?_r=2&oref=slogin

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Let's see...
Running through the streets, check.
Yelling loudly, check.
Breaking things, check.
Yep, they're anarchists. Maybe you haven't read about what happened in St. Paul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?_r=2&oref=slogin

Your brain is broken.

 

[ReZerO]

you know, a lot of their soungs don't even have anything to do with the US, they are about other contries (and perhaps the general population ignoring what is going on in those contries) so i don't really see where most of the "bargh they are against our goverment" issue some people have brought up have come from.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Without the lyrics? EPIC. Pure epic. The guitarist is just plain a god among men.

With the lyrics=Ear rape.

 

[Hedberger]

you know, a lot of their soungs don't even have anything to do with the US, they are about other contries (and perhaps the general population ignoring what is going on in those contries) so i don't really see where most of the "bargh they are against our goverment" issue some people have brought up have come from.

People hear what they want to hear.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Let's see...
Running through the streets, check.
Yelling loudly, check.
Breaking things, check.
Yep, they're anarchists. Maybe you haven't read about what happened in St. Paul.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/arts/music/06rage.html?_r=2&oref=slogin

Your brain is broken.

Well, kid, go look up the Zapatista Army of National liberation, what they stand for, and their ties to RAtM.

 

[madcap2112]

Rage Against the Machine is okay, but maybe people hate them because they suck. I mean all their songs are like:
"George Bush sucks! Geoarge Bush sucks! X5
[confusing and bland rap lyrics about W sucking]
George Bush sucks! X10
W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUCKS!"
I mean, EVERY song is like that, it's lame.

Yeah, except they broke up before he even took office. You obviously don't seem to know much about them.

Well, first of all, it was an example. Second of all, I'm sorry, I meant George H.W. Bush, BUT! third, they broke up in 1999.? huh, they broke up in 2000. Testify came out as a single then and I remember when they broke up, 2000 (wikipedia says so too) And had they broken up in 1999, they could easily have hated George W. Bush, because if you know anything about politics you would know that the candidates start campaigning at lest a year before the election.
That being said I do enjoy Rage's music, I just question their lyrical variety and what not.
Obviously, my example was a gross exaggeration, but many of RATM's members are active W haters. They just have the balls (or lack of creativity) to say it. I just dislike political music.

The thing about RATM is that they rarely name-dropped anybody specifically, their lyrics usually targeted general government, institutions, and social habits. And even though W. was running for office while they were around, they were still playing long before he meant anything to anyone. In fact, they were at their peak from their debut in '92 till the end in '00 while Clinton was in office.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I'm adult (by age at least) and I like them...well, I like their first album, never listened to any of the others, and I don't really care about the politics of it, I just like the music, and a lot of it's probably just nostalgia anyway, they sounded pretty good to me back in 199whatever it was and so I like it now, if I heard for the first time now I'd probably not pay it any attention...but regardless of all that, I like em.

 

[Nils]

Because they've never heard of "subtltey."

This is true. But I guess that's where the "Rage" in the title comes into play, eh?

At any rate, RATM is good stuff, even if some of it controversial.

 

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[SendMeNoodz84]

Well as you said V for Vendetta is fiction. The idea that we could all live perfectly without a government telling us what to do is a VERY stupid one in my opinion. It'd be like the Capitol Wasteland from Fallout 3. Without laws, and a leader everyone would be left to fend for themselves. There would be crime, people trying to rule by using violence. It wouldn't be pretty. Although I must say I have a very biased opinion. I work as a police officer in California so naturally I'm against idiots.

Anarchy is idealistic. Police forces could be dissolved if everyone was able to police themselves. As long as there are "idiots" in California, you have a job.

That is the reason why anarchy would never work. Everyone would NEVER be able to police themselves. I've only been working for 2 years, but already I've seen enough to tell you why that's not going to happen.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

I'm a conservative, nationalist, patriot and I like Rage. I just don't care what they are talking about.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Well, kid, go look up the Zapatista Army of National liberation, what they stand for, and their ties to RAtM.

Supporting socialist revolutionarys does not make you an anarchist.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

IMO rap/rock is overdone and Linkin park blends rap into rock/metal the best so people try and copy em.

Are you implying Rage is copying Linkin Park?

 

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[Wadders]

I can't stand that band how can they go on about worker's rights etc etc etc etc etc while wearing nike, give me a break.

QFT

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Well, kid, go look up the Zapatista Army of National liberation, what they stand for, and their ties to RAtM.

Supporting socialist revolutionarys does not make you an anarchist.

It's called socialist anarchy, and it's not even considered a branch of socialism by most. Some argue that it's the same thing as anarchy. Maybe you weren't watching the news on January 1, 1994, but 3,000 armed Zapatista army insurgents seized towns and cities all over Chiapas. They let prisoners go and set fires to buildings. Ya' know what? That sounds a lot like the anarchistic movements of Europe, doesn't it? They're anarchists buddy.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Well as you said V for Vendetta is fiction. The idea that we could all live perfectly without a government telling us what to do is a VERY stupid one in my opinion. It'd be like the Capitol Wasteland from Fallout 3. Without laws, and a leader everyone would be left to fend for themselves. There would be crime, people trying to rule by using violence. It wouldn't be pretty. Although I must say I have a very biased opinion. I work as a police officer in California so naturally I'm against idiots.

Anarchy is idealistic. Police forces could be dissolved if everyone was able to police themselves. As long as there are "idiots" in California, you have a job.

That is the reason why anarchy would never work. Everyone would NEVER be able to police themselves. I've only been working for 2 years, but already I've seen enough to tell you why that's not going to happen.

I was agreeing with you. Thanks for keeping CA's streets clean, by the way! Incidentally, which part of CA do you work in?

Redwood City, California. City in Northern California.