Rage: Get over it.

[Lyri]

As we all know Rage is cutting out some single player content for those people who don't buy the game new.
The forum's seems to have a couple of threads dedicated to how rage inducing this slight will not go unnoticed by the gaming public.

I, humbly so.
Tell you all to build a bridge and get over it. You are likely going to damage a pristine triple A titles reputation and profits because you think you're being treated unfairly.
Are you that misinformed?

Let's look at the facts shall we?
Link to Article for quote [http://www.citizengame.co.uk/2011/08/id-to-block-second-hand-rage-buyers-from-single-player-content/]

In an interview with Eurogamer, creative director Tim Willits revealed that the FPS adventure will hide some parts of the single player world from players who do not buy the game new. ?We have the first-time buyer stuff with all the sewers,? Willits said. ?If you bought the game new, that would be open for you. You still have to download it, but you don?t have to pay for it.?

So as we can clearly see there is a sewer system being locked from the game, however lets look a little closer shall we.
If you bought the game new, that would be open for you
Awesome. You get a nice little reward for supporting the developers at full price of the title. It's a nice little something extra.
Let us look a little closer still.
You still have to download it, but you don't have to pay for it
Ah. Well that is something isn't it.
You have to download it, so if you're lacking an internet connection then either way you're not going to get yourself a sewer system.
On the other side of the coin if you do buy used you can still buy the sewer system it seems and let's not quibble here, you can probably buy the game used and unlock the sewers for cheaper than the new copy anyway.

What have we lost?
Well, in actuality nothing really.

Look Gamers you need to stop and take a breath when something gets reported, read about it first. This isn't the first time you've had something like this.
Remember Mass Effect 2 and the Cerberus network? This is exactly the same, except Bioware didn't say that they're locking it for single player use at all. The Cerberus Network was a bonus you got for buying a new copy, bit of armour, a gun, Zaeed, comic and then there is more stuff once you actually bought other games like DA:O, even doctor pepper promotional items.
Did you feel like you were being taken advantage then?

I honestly don't recall anything about an uproar because they were giving you free stuff to buy new.
However now we added that negative spin the gaming industry has apparently gone too far.
Same situation just worded different.

Words are a powerful tool, we need to watch ours sometimes just as much as the gaming industry does because we act so irrationally at times.
Go watch Jimquistion this week if you haven't already, it's relevent and if you're too lazy.
Jimquistion [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/3857-BOYCOTT]

 

[Reaper69lol]

Thank you! Also, I gota ask, how many people actually buy used games? I hardly know anyone who buys used games, or hard copies in general.

 

[Eisenfaust]

i wasn't going to buy it anyway so... it changes nothing

(it just seems... meh)

 

[zehydra]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

 

[EdwardOrchard]

Sure was quite a bit of misinformation over this whole thing wasn't there. Whoever came up with the headline, "Rage Cuts Single-Player If Bought Used" (Or some such)...You are a douche.

 

[Rednog]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

Wait, what?
This doesn't affect PC gamers in any way shape or form because you can't buy a used copy of a PC game.
You have to buy it new, and once you use that key, it is your key, no one else can really use it.

 

[RadioactiveMicrobe]

And this is, to me, step one. They'll gradually make the "Bonuses" harsher and harsher. But they won't do it drastically enough where it will actually cause an uproar.

 

[zehydra]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

Wait, what?
This doesn't affect PC gamers in any way shape or form because you can't buy a used copy of a PC game.
You have to buy it new, and once you use that key, it is your key, no one else can really use it.

Actually yes you can. I've done so.

 

[Lyri]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

That was my point though, when is that line crossed?

The Cerberus Network for Mass Effect 2 was optional content that had little to no effect on single player.
This tunnel system is seemingly in the same vein, they've just basically come out and said that they're going to make you pay extra to unlock it if you want it when you buy used.

It is actually a little extra something if you do buy it used, it's not a huge deal if you don't either because apparently most people don't even use it or see it.

When asked about the section that would be cut for aftermarket buyers, Willits said, "Most people never even see it. I can tell you, some people will buy Rage, download that, and still never set foot in those things. They just won't. I think that's fair. It's cool. It's outside the main path. We're not detracting from anything. But I know some consumers, when you can't avoid it, then you get a little touchy subject." Later, in the same interview, he confirmed that while Rage will include its own brand of online pass, it won't include always-on DRM. That doesn't mean we won't see it in other games id Software works on in the future, however, as he did go on to champion its use.

They're not depriving you of anything.

And this is, to me, step one. They'll gradually make the "Bonuses" harsher and harsher. But they won't do it drastically enough where it will actually cause an uproar.

They have been doing, we don't care when you get something shiney. Word it like it's a punishment and BAM!
More boycotts than you know what to do with.

 

[AJax_21]

Thank you! Also, I gota ask, how many people actually buy used games? I hardly know anyone who buys used games, or hard copies in general.

Quite a lot frankly, companies like gamestop rake in millions of dollars out of used games sales. Probably you don't know a lot of people that actually buy used. Heck, it's not like here in the UAE where the used games market is nigh non-existent.

OT: Finally, someone who doesn't jump to conclusions and is able to make sense of the matter. Thank you, good sir.

I'll ask the same question I asked in the previous thread. How is RAGE's DLC different than what companies like Bioware did with their DLC. And Hell, that game was praised to high heaven even though some content locked in release.

 

[keideki]

I have to agree, people are way overreacting to this. I think that its not really that big of a deal. Its not like important story stuff is being left out. It is just side missions, no different than the project 10 dollar stuff that EA is doing with most of its games.

 

[Rednog]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

Wait, what?
This doesn't affect PC gamers in any way shape or form because you can't buy a used copy of a PC game.
You have to buy it new, and once you use that key, it is your key, no one else can really use it.

Actually yes you can. I've done so.

Maybe PC games from a few years back but most game nowadays are using one form of DRM or another, Rage is using steamworks, you have to register it with steam, so you can't resell it.

 

[Ghengis John]

The thing I love about this game is... It's so ironically named. It's like they issued a command and some people are all to eager to follow.

I know I commend you a lot Lyri, but an excellent post, as usual.

 

[zehydra]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

That was my point though, when is that line crossed?

The Cerberus Network for Mass Effect 2 was optional content that had little to no effect on single player.
This tunnel system is seemingly in the same vein, they've just basically come out and said that they're going to make you pay extra to unlock it if you want it when you buy used.

It is actually a little extra something if you do buy it used, it's not a huge deal if you don't either because apparently most people don't even use it or see it.
(I could quote that from the article here on the Escapist but I err...lost it).
They're not depriving you of anything.

I don't know the specifics really of Rage and how it works, but I know that with the scenario that I have described, they are depriving me of the freedom to do what I will with the contents of my PC.

 

[weirdee]

Lately, I've been seeing things twisted out of proportion that aren't nearly as bad as they put them. Hell, just watching the fresh Jimquisition we see that the whole "game not having an erasable save file" falsehood is still in effect, which is dumb because that game never NEEDED an erasable save file, but since nobody actually played the damn game and found out why in the first place, it was burnt to the ground.

Yes, there have been many boneheaded decisions made this year. But we need to know WHEN to unleash the rage. Right now, it just seems like you can get angry at just about anything, and that just teaches these companies that they can safely ignore most of them because it doesn't affect overall sales in retrospect. And that's what Jim Sterling actually got right. Hell, MML3 is pretty much going to die in a month or so, and nobody will hear from it ever again. Meanwhile, you're still all getting your knickers in a twist over something insignificant, and everybody just passes it off as another temper tantrum.

I'm starting to think that we should find some kind of leader to solidify the unrest and hone it to a point to influence the things that actually matter, instead of all these sloppy efforts so far, that while admirable, haven't gotten anything done at all.

 

[zehydra]

I don't really care about Developers adding bonus content for any reason really, but it has to be that, bonus content. If I still have to download it onto my PC, but am not allowed to access it, then they can kiss my purchase goodbye.

Wait, what?
This doesn't affect PC gamers in any way shape or form because you can't buy a used copy of a PC game.
You have to buy it new, and once you use that key, it is your key, no one else can really use it.

Actually yes you can. I've done so.

Maybe PC games from a few years back but most game nowadays are using one form of DRM or another, Rage is using steamworks, you have to register it with steam, so you can't resell it.

ah k. Yeah, I knew that you couldn't do it with steam. There are still games nowadays that you can resell, like Battlefield Bad Company 2.

 

[00slash00]

Sure was quite a bit of misinformation over this whole thing wasn't there. Whoever came up with the headline, "Rage Cuts Single-Player If Bought Used" (Or some such)...You are a douche.

agreed. i wonder how many people even read the article before throwing a ***** fit over it. the writer of that article obviously just wanted more buzz and controversy and accomplished that by twisting around the information.

 

[Lyri]

I don't know the specifics really of Rage and how it works, but I know that with the scenario that I have described, they are depriving me of the freedom to do what I will with the contents of my PC.

The scenario you described is based on the fact you clearly didn't understand the post.

Once you buy the game and download the tunnel system, you can use it.
If you buy it used, the code inside the box will not work and you will not be able to download it and the system will not be open for you.

They are using the same code system new titles have been using for a while now to entice people into buying new because it has a little something extra without adding cost onto the consumer via promotional artwork, cds, etc.

The thing I love about this game is... It's so ironically named. It's like they issued a command and some people are all to eager to follow.

I know I commend you a lot Lyri, but an excellent post, as usual.

Thank you, official stalker #1.

I am however full of shit most of the time.

 

[Tentickles]

Oh I was about to rip you a new one. Thought the thread was "Rape: Get over it"
haha, I was actually happy it wasnt.

 

[Lyri]

Oh I was about to rip you a new one. Thought the thread was "Rape: Get over it"
haha, I was actually happy it wasnt.

Well there is that too but I figured I'd get the more difficult subject out of the way first.