It's 2011. Who doesn't have internet? It's as strange as having no running water or electricity.Kwaku Avoke said:
Rage: Get over it.
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People don't want to spend money. Gamers feel like they are entitled to every bit of content that a developer makes for a game. I don't know why gamers feel that if a company makes something for a game they deserve it for free. I think ti's just tradition. Anyways, as a result gamers don't want to pay for they see as theirs from the start. In actuality you can't prove that all content is mandatory to be released together and you can't say that your in the right anymore then the developer can. Anyways, I think lots of people are upset because they see the entire single player experience being cut off rather then just one level. That's a miscommunication problem (which isn't helped by the deceptive Escapist story title on the issue).
Not going to lie, I read the title of this thread as "Rape: Get over it"...
I have no intention of gett Rage. No idea what its about, really, and I have hno interest in it.
But I fully support the developers with this. I buy pre-owned games all the time. I got Mass Effect 2 pre-owned (I didn't know at the time. Same price as new, with the sanem stickers. Bastards at Game.) so I haven't got Zaeed. It doesn't matter to me. I didn't enjoy the game less because I didn't have something, because I never had it.
Seriously, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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I have no intention of gett Rage. No idea what its about, really, and I have hno interest in it.
But I fully support the developers with this. I buy pre-owned games all the time. I got Mass Effect 2 pre-owned (I didn't know at the time. Same price as new, with the sanem stickers. Bastards at Game.) so I haven't got Zaeed. It doesn't matter to me. I didn't enjoy the game less because I didn't have something, because I never had it.
Seriously, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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This. I was with your demeanor at first (even if the free time you have to spend correcting people is unsettling). But throwing in "Have some tea and calm down deary" or w/e, for starters, switched me to "Oh this is just another person who thinks their thought-out rationale is the only right one, and is actually pretty self-righteous". Your condescension belies your noble facade.Glademaster said:
OT: Don't care if it's a rip. Rage looks good and I already have it reserved.
I have to agree. This whole boycotting Rage just because they made you buy it new to play a lttle sewer area. But the ones that make me mad are the ones that limit multiplayer, like Bulletstorm. I just think thats is too important to make people pay for an online pass if they buy it used.
my main problem is what the money is being spent on.
see it goes to the publishers, but i don't know about the money going to the devs themselves. i would be happy to pay the extra money to exclusively being put towards future titles by those devs, or being put into paying for the servers being maintained for online play.
however the money going to publishers, for a single player cuts out the server maintainability, so i just do not know where my money is going, or if it is just being put straight into the publishers profits. so yeah, i'm not overly happy about this, but i don't expect i'll pick this game unless there's a steam sale.
that brings me to point 2, the lack of older games being available for purchase in game stores in the first place. steam is awesome because it is always a 'new' copy, but the prices go down in time to reflect how old the games are, and the prices are usually the same as a preowned copy elsewhere. the problem lies when you go to console games. once the game is 3-4 months old, new copies tend to disappear, and the only place i can then find these games, is preowned.
so i think a large part of the blame should be placed on stores themselves, and publishers should try to work out a better deal with them, rather than the online dlc malarky.
tbh Rage should have worded it differently. instead of saying second hand purchases have cut content, they should have said that new copies come with a small piece of bonus dlc, which would have sounded more like a reward for people who purchase new, rather than a punishment for those who get it preowned
see it goes to the publishers, but i don't know about the money going to the devs themselves. i would be happy to pay the extra money to exclusively being put towards future titles by those devs, or being put into paying for the servers being maintained for online play.
however the money going to publishers, for a single player cuts out the server maintainability, so i just do not know where my money is going, or if it is just being put straight into the publishers profits. so yeah, i'm not overly happy about this, but i don't expect i'll pick this game unless there's a steam sale.
that brings me to point 2, the lack of older games being available for purchase in game stores in the first place. steam is awesome because it is always a 'new' copy, but the prices go down in time to reflect how old the games are, and the prices are usually the same as a preowned copy elsewhere. the problem lies when you go to console games. once the game is 3-4 months old, new copies tend to disappear, and the only place i can then find these games, is preowned.
so i think a large part of the blame should be placed on stores themselves, and publishers should try to work out a better deal with them, rather than the online dlc malarky.
but online is the part (if any) which would need the extra cash, because it needs server maintenance costs. it makes little sense to charge for single player experiences.Elfgore said:
tbh Rage should have worded it differently. instead of saying second hand purchases have cut content, they should have said that new copies come with a small piece of bonus dlc, which would have sounded more like a reward for people who purchase new, rather than a punishment for those who get it preowned
Oh man and here i was thinking drama was dead, well done sir! You are awesome! Please say you were doing at least a few dramatic arm flails and heart cluches while you were typing that. Too many people think drama is a bad thing...viranimus said:
Excuse me i need to rewatch a certain scene in Code Geass because of that...
Normally I stay outta topics like this but I gotta ask something to the "Where does it end" crowd: Did you support Sony when it removed Linux because it could be used for piracy? Or any other anti-piracy measures?
I think that accurately sums things up. Hell, last year people were saying that extra content and limited editions were the way to go. Now look at the latest topic about it and all you'll see is "Make it cheaper," "Make it actually worth the money," or my favorite "How about not making a shit game."Lyri said:
Oh you silly, half my library is used.Reaper69lol said:
OP: Stop using the if you buy second hand it won't work as new argument. If I buy a book second hand it usually still has all of its pages. If I buy a car second hand it has all of its parts. Its not being intentionally sabotaged and then being bragged about by the developer. That's what people are mainly pissed off about.
Yeah it's strange but i just got it back a few weeks ago. Xbox live cards are expensive when your saving up for things and don't get allowance.CountryMike said:
Well guess what, it delights me to tell you that you won't make a differance, loads people will still buy rage and then presumably the games industry will collapse and the world will endSjakie said:
I don't see how this has been so surprising to people. It's already been done before [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/93833-Dragon-Age-Comes-With-Free-DLC-Armor].
DA:O wasn't in the project $10 boat, it was a buy the game new and get access to one of the best characters in the game who clearly was supposed to be a part of the vanilla game from the start.
I can't believe people are bitching about losing a little section of a game that takes 22GB of a 360's hard-drive [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.305638-RAGE-Devours-Xbox-360-Hard-Drives]. Surely the 200 or so MB download(I would imagine that is how large the additional section will be) will make all of the difference in your opinion of the game.
Claiming that allowing them to do this would let them do it more is a moot point because this has been happening for a while with EA and it has already started to catch on. You're past the point of stopping it. AAA titles like this will sell well regardless of if you do a petty little rant and attempt a protest, and yet this is likely to continue in the future.
DA:O wasn't in the project $10 boat, it was a buy the game new and get access to one of the best characters in the game who clearly was supposed to be a part of the vanilla game from the start.
I can't believe people are bitching about losing a little section of a game that takes 22GB of a 360's hard-drive [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.305638-RAGE-Devours-Xbox-360-Hard-Drives]. Surely the 200 or so MB download(I would imagine that is how large the additional section will be) will make all of the difference in your opinion of the game.
Claiming that allowing them to do this would let them do it more is a moot point because this has been happening for a while with EA and it has already started to catch on. You're past the point of stopping it. AAA titles like this will sell well regardless of if you do a petty little rant and attempt a protest, and yet this is likely to continue in the future.
Publishers could go after Gamestop & Best Buy for not getting a % on used games. I guess it's easier to go after an amorphous mass of I agree, I disagree & I don't care than to get into a legal battle with the corporate entities that are really screwing them.
I was over it the moment I decided to not buy it and just put it on my rental list instead.
I seem to be doing that a lot lately and it's actually working out better. Most of these games are only worth a rental anyway.
I seem to be doing that a lot lately and it's actually working out better. Most of these games are only worth a rental anyway.