I think the difference is that rape is most often perceived as a feminist issue. Wouldn't we find a genocide game just as distasteful?
I would.
I would.
ThisUltrajoe said:Because simulated murder is an extension of the natural and healthy phenomenon; competition. It's unfortunately human.
Rape is an extension of neither lust, love or sexual frustration, it's an expression of one-sided power. It's inherently inhuman.
As such, Rape is worse.
I lol'd at thisInsanum said:Murder tends too affect other people, not really the victim.
the problem with that line of logic is that peoples so called "reasons" are rarely justifiable at all. "he hit me" or "she cheated on me" or any of the other common reasons for murder still show a lack of ability to control ones anger and choices. I understand the comparison, but the reality is i consider neglect ((i.e vehicular manslaughter, etc.)) to be every bit as disturbing as someone with out of control anger.Cheeze_Pavilion said:I think maybe because we consider most rapists to be worse people than most murderers, even if they 'do less damage'. A lot of the time, a murder happens because of some reason. When murders are done for the same reason rapes occur, for the enjoyment of the act regardless of the damage done to the other person, we consider those murderers way different than those who murder out of anger or something a little less ugly.magnuslion said:I suffered sexual abuse and rape and torture as a child. im glad i am alive. you either choose to forgive, and move on, or you torture yourself forever. and it really is nothing more than a choice. we are the ones who cock it up with our "but..but..." crap.
as to the moral ambiguity of murder, i foind it vastlet interesting that we as a society term rape ((which i will remind you has become a freaking gaming slang term)) to be more heinous than murder, which terminates a persons choice to do anything.
kinda strange.
I guess you could say that all rapes remind us of thrill kills, while when we think of murder, we think of someone not being able to control their rage or something. Kind of like why we think of arsonists the way we do: we can see no 'human' reason for their actions.
Not saying that's airtight logic, but I think it's the logic in the heads of many people.
Are you suggesting that the use of rape by a social elite to break the spirits of a group of victims is a justifiable political tool? (like apparently, assassination) I suppose the Japanese in WW2 were thinking something similar when the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking took place.TexaNigerian said:The idea that rape can never be 'justified' requires turning a blind eye to History.
Whether it is used to break the spirits of the victim or group of victims(regardless of gender)as well as those who fail to protect said victim(s)for the purpose of demonstrating the power of one's self or group over another person or group, to wipe out a bloodline or forcibly to preserve one's own (or that of one's ethnicity, and to uphold taboos and social privilege (such as the authority of the Nobility or males to hold a position or to act or dress in a certain way, it can be just as powerful a socio-political tool as assassination but far less final for the individual.
The strong of will have an opportunity to use the experience of the sexual assault to make themselves stronger and gives the society a rally point against the rapists and their enablers just as assassination can make one into a martyr, though one who can not witness any social transformation oneself. A murder robs the victim of any potential to regain his/her composure or to undergo any change outside of decomposition.
It is perhaps the social taboo on female sexuality which often puts the blame for all of a society's 'moral' problems on 'immodest' women that makes rape feel worse than murder for them as they are not only victimized by the rapist but the people of their societies for not hiding from men. Beyond that point, the women internalize that blame and start to loathe themselves.
At that rate, that a robbery can be just as traumatic if the one robbed had no mental defenses against such a loss of control.
It may not quite be accurate, but to the victim who can still feel it is.
How does this relate to video games? Maybe they should be allowed to explore the issue of Rape in a serious manner as part of the evolution of the medium? Then again, they would benefit by giving the act of Murder more gravity in games, as well.
"too" = also, as well.Insanum said:Well:
Rape usually tortures someone mentally afterwards, Not too mention the possibility of pregnancy, etc.
Murder tends too affect other people, not really the victim.
I can understand your point, Unfortunately sex has always been a more taboo subject than murder.
EDIT: Due too people questioning what i mean:
Murder effects the victim, it takes away theyre life, however the after effects mainly effects the family, etc.
This thread got Ninja'd.thiosk said:so, what youre saying is, that rape is a healthy release of sexual frustration?
I now believe that everyone is fucked up.
Perhaps you failed to notice that the word Justified is in quotes?KaiusCormere said:Are you suggesting that the use of rape by a social elite to break the spirits of a group of victims is a justifiable political tool? (like apparently, assassination) I suppose the Japanese in WW2 were thinking something similar when the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking took place.TexaNigerian said:The idea that rape can never be 'justified' requires turning a blind eye to History.
Whether it is used to break the spirits of the victim or group of victims(regardless of gender)as well as those who fail to protect said victim(s)for the purpose of demonstrating the power of one's self or group over another person or group, to wipe out a bloodline or forcibly to preserve one's own (or that of one's ethnicity, and to uphold taboos and social privilege (such as the authority of the Nobility or males to hold a position or to act or dress in a certain way, it can be just as powerful a socio-political tool as assassination but far less final for the individual.
The strong of will have an opportunity to use the experience of the sexual assault to make themselves stronger and gives the society a rally point against the rapists and their enablers just as assassination can make one into a martyr, though one who can not witness any social transformation oneself. A murder robs the victim of any potential to regain his/her composure or to undergo any change outside of decomposition.
It is perhaps the social taboo on female sexuality which often puts the blame for all of a society's 'moral' problems on 'immodest' women that makes rape feel worse than murder for them as they are not only victimized by the rapist but the people of their societies for not hiding from men. Beyond that point, the women internalize that blame and start to loathe themselves.
At that rate, that a robbery can be just as traumatic if the one robbed had no mental defenses against such a loss of control.
It may not quite be accurate, but to the victim who can still feel it is.
How does this relate to video games? Maybe they should be allowed to explore the issue of Rape in a serious manner as part of the evolution of the medium? Then again, they would benefit by giving the act of Murder more gravity in games, as well.
I would have thought it didn't need to be said but I suppose here we go :
Rape is not a justifiable political tool!
Rape isn't about sexual release, it's about control, power and attack.samaritan.squirrel said:Isn't porn a form of escapism for the sexually frustrated?
Indeed.TexaNigerian said:Perhaps you failed to notice that the word Justified is in quotes?
People can come up with excuses for anything.
When violence in a game or anime works me up I want to fight someone, normally in unrealistic ways. When porn works me up I want to bone someone.Cheeze_Pavilion said:It provokes a sexual response. On the other hand, while I've played football, Madden has never provoked a tackling response in memike1921 said:.......how is virtual sex real??
My fault then for being unclear: porn is FANTASTIC. Thing is, porn is its own category. It kinda crosses the boundary from virtual to real even when it's pictures on a screen. This is because sex, unlike shooting guns or throwing footballs or rolling around giant balls of stuff to save the universe--is primarily a *mental* activity: the most important sexual organ is the brain, so.You make it sound like porn is inheritly bad.
Women could rape men, women could rape women, men could rape men, men could rape women. It's not sexism, and I honestly don't care what pisses off the feminazis.Mirroga said:It also adds to rape = sexism / women activist bait, but violence and murder is universal.
I'd rather live with trauma than die unless said trauma caused brain damage.Lord Kodous said:rape is worse because usually the victim has to live with the trauma of being raped, the victim of murder does not
Wait "he hit me" is self-defense, how is that not justified? As for "she cheated on me", agreedmagnuslion said:the problem with that line of logic is that peoples so called "reasons" are rarely justifiable at all. "he hit me" or "she cheated on me" or any of the other common reasons for murder still show a lack of ability to control ones anger and choices. I understand the comparison, but the reality is i consider neglect ((i.e vehicular manslaughter, etc.)) to be every bit as disturbing as someone with out of control anger.Cheeze_Pavilion said:I think maybe because we consider most rapists to be worse people than most murderers, even if they 'do less damage'. A lot of the time, a murder happens because of some reason. When murders are done for the same reason rapes occur, for the enjoyment of the act regardless of the damage done to the other person, we consider those murderers way different than those who murder out of anger or something a little less ugly.magnuslion said:I suffered sexual abuse and rape and torture as a child. im glad i am alive. you either choose to forgive, and move on, or you torture yourself forever. and it really is nothing more than a choice. we are the ones who cock it up with our "but..but..." crap.
as to the moral ambiguity of murder, i foind it vastlet interesting that we as a society term rape ((which i will remind you has become a freaking gaming slang term)) to be more heinous than murder, which terminates a persons choice to do anything.
kinda strange.
I guess you could say that all rapes remind us of thrill kills, while when we think of murder, we think of someone not being able to control their rage or something. Kind of like why we think of arsonists the way we do: we can see no 'human' reason for their actions.
Not saying that's airtight logic, but I think it's the logic in the heads of many people.