Rape versus assault and murder

[Sebass]

Well, you're totally off-base.
Rape is worse than murder.
The rapists should all be hung, drawn, and quartered.

Also, in the future, please use the search button.

Yes that people seem to think that was my point. The question I asked is 'Why is this so?'.

Also, no I will not use the search button, just to annoy the searchbuttonfestishists on this forum. (because in practicly every thread there's someone whining about the search button and it annoys me alot)


To the people saying murder can be justiable and rape cannot: yes that is very much true, but I'm talking about situations where the murder was not justified. For example a robbery where someone is shot, or someone murdered purely for revenge.

Murder is a physical assault the dead don't feel pain, or humiliation.
Rape victims are forever haunted by what happened to them, it's a psychological assault.

Yeah, but what about assault? Why is rape so much worse then beating the fuck out of a helpless person with 10 guys (seems to happen more and more apparantly).That is also very painful and could be very humilating.

 

[Mad Maniac with axe-firing chainsaw]

Considering the fact that rape usually also hurts the victim physically, I'd say that rape is twice as bad as an assault for both the physical injury and mental anguish. However, rape still leaves the victim with their life, so it simply cannot be argued to be as bad as murder. There's still a life to be lead afterwards. (unless the rapist had AIDS, in which case it is counted as murder by law anyway.)

Nonetheless, I think that rapists should be locked up for life, same as with murderers in the US. If the person is that sick and twisted in their head, enough to perform such a depraved act, they are bound to do it again. By that reasoning, it is simply not safe to let them out on the streets. When did law and order become a matter of punishment instead of being a practical means of keeping society safe while rehabilitating whatever criminals could be redeemed? Rapists, generally, cannot be redeemed, or at least, cannot be trusted to not commit the crime a second time, and thus must be kept out of the reach of the public, or at least controlled so they cannot recommit. This is part of the stigma that covers rape I think. Its not so much the magnitude of the crime (horrific as it is) but the danger that the kind of person who commits it poses that makes people so justifiably horrified by it.

 

[Jedoro]

Murder is a physical assault the dead don't feel pain, or humiliation.
Rape victims are forever haunted by what happened to them, it's a psychological assault.

Yeah, but what about assault? Why is rape so much worse then beating the fuck out of a helpless person with 10 guys (seems to happen more and more apparantly).That is also very painful and could be very humilating.

You'd have to be a martial arts sensei to be ashamed of getting your ass kicked by ten guys. It would suck, but I wouldn't be ashamed.

If anything, I'd taunt the bastard for being a cowardly ***** and not fighting me on his own.

 

[Dottie]

Because in America, sex is illegal to even mention, whereas blood guts and gore is just somewhat frowned upon.

So vary true....

 

[Cliff_m85]

Because deep down the thing that people aren't willing to admit is that violence can have an excuse no matter what. He stomped his fact into a curb? What did he do to deserve that?

That is always the question: What did he do to deserve that?

Even with children. A man accused of beating his 14 year old son....what did the son do? Was the father drunk? What's the excuse?


Rape/molestation has absolutely no excuse whatsoever. That's why it's looked upon more negatively.

 

[L4hlborg]

Well, as some have already said, rape is a kind of torture. But wouldn't torturing someone to death (probably concidered as murder) be worse? Rape is horrible, but you can get over it. But being killed by huge ammounts of pain... I would concider this far worse. Ofcource, rapemurder is an example of this.

I'm not sure which is worse, rape or murder. If you get shot in the face, you don't feel anything (can't be sure though) and it's fast, but rape is probably a much slower and more uncomfortable process, but you can get over it. Hard to say.

 

[Mopbucket]

Yeah, rape isn't as bad as people try to make it out to be. I mean, sure, there's mental anguish from someone holding you down to screw you, but it's probably on the same level as someone holding you down to beat the everloving piss out of you and possibly maiming you/causing brain damage. I would much rather be raped than getting beat retarded.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

To the people saying murder can be justiable and rape cannot: yes that is very much true, but I'm talking about situations where the murder was not justified. For example a robbery where someone is shot, or someone murdered purely for revenge.

To combine the two - if someone rapes a woman I care about, I will kill them, and damn the law. Justice and revenge are irrevorcably linked, and to think otherwise is moral cowardice of the basest degree.

Yeah, rape isn't as bad as people try to make it out to be. I mean, sure, there's mental anguish from someone holding you down to screw you, but it's probably on the same level as someone holding you down to beat the everloving piss out of you and possibly maiming you/causing brain damage. I would much rather be raped than getting beat retarded.

My god sir, I am truly, truly dumbfounded by your sheer....pig-ignorant stupidity. Imagine being held down, and a man's penis forced into your anus (let's make it sodomy, just so we can all understand). Have you ever had anything stuck up your ass? I have not, but I presume it is entirely unpleasant unless done with care, something very few rapists are bothered with.


Now, imagine lying there, facedown, while your rapist pleasures himself and torments you, for however long, humiliates you, degrades you and uses you as nothing more than an object to pleasure himself! Then, he will ejaculate into you.



If you are not disgusted by this idea, then you have problems.

 

[EisBaron]

What's the difference?

 

[Cortheya]

Because in America, sex is illegal to even mention, whereas blood guts and gore is just somewhat frowned upon.

So vary true....

This is true...I think that sexuality ALONG with violence shouldn't be taboo in this country
HOWEVER Rape is not acceptable under any terms as many have already said...It screws people up mentally so bad.

 

[Hikikomori Ookami]

I dunno... I view rape as a kind of torture, and I always consider torture worse than murder. You can end someone's life and their pain is over with, but with rape/torture/other heinous acts, it's an enduring pain that often cannot be healed.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I would rank the order of evilness as:

1. Rape
2. Assault (requiring surgery)
3. Murder
4. Manslaughter

Off topic: Anybody think it's slightly strange that mans laughter is such a bad thing?

 

[geon106]

Well in my opinion rape is like torture.

It hurts physically at the time, but the lasting effects last a woman her entire life. I've known off women who have been raped and its changed them for the worse.

Raping an under 16 is the worst type of rape IMHO as a child cannot even defend themselves the same as an adult. However, any form of rape or sexual assault should carry the death penalty.

As for murder I think its just as bad, although manslaughter is worse. Murder could be in self defense or a mis-understanding etc. But as for Manslaughter its clear your intentions was to kill the person without good cause and you showed no re-morse.

Same kinda for assault, if someone started to attack my fiancé for example, i can't be helped if i do what i can to assault them for it. However, randomly assaulting people or for no reason or if they "looked at you wrong" is f**ked up

 

[Lord George]

Because broken bones heal relatively quickly - psychological damage is slightly less inclined to go away.

For me, personally, it's just that I don't have any moral problem with murder.

So how come your okay with brutally extinguishing a life forever but not with raping someone, is it something to do with murder being glorified in many aspects by society yet rape being seen as somehow dishonourable?

 

[Jedoro]

To the people saying murder can be justified and rape cannot: yes that is very much true, but I'm talking about situations where the murder was not justified. For example a robbery where someone is shot, or someone murdered purely for revenge.

To combine the two - if someone rapes a woman I care about, I will kill them, and damn the law. Justice and revenge are irrevorcably linked, and to think otherwise is moral cowardice of the basest degree.

The only difference is revenge is you getting them back; justice is anyone punishing them. All revenge is justice, but not all justice is revenge. But I do like your view on that.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Because broken bones heal relatively quickly - psychological damage is slightly less inclined to go away.

For me, personally, it's just that I don't have any moral problem with murder.

So how come your okay with brutally extinguishing a life forever but not with raping someone, is it something to do with murder being glorified in many aspects by society yet rape being seen as somehow dishonourable?

Read my post. We accept that, at times, we will need to kill - to protect, to preserve, to accomplish something, even. Rape has none of these positives - it can not protect, preserve not can it achieve anything save misery. To kill someone is an ending, a final, single act.

Rape is eternal. The victim will never forget.

 

[LadyZephyr]

Hey folks, stop saying "when a woman gets raped". Men get raped too. It's just massively under reported. It may not occur as often as female rape, but it does exist.

 

[Julianking93]

Western society is one which glorifies killing. It's practically in every game, novel, comic, film, or TV show that can be accessed by the public. We are even taught that killing is okay depending on which situation we're in. Games like Hitman and Assassin's Creed are good examples of this ideology, where the player character is given orders to eliminate marks responsible for criminal acts but cannot be reached by the long arm of the law. Rape is a completely different story, however. Rape does not benefit anyone except for the person committing the act. It is an affront to God, an insult to a family's pride, and is a crime punishable by death. There's not even a slightest shred of good that comes out of the act. I'm not saying that killing is any better than rape, but there are certain situations where the former is acceptable while the latter never is.

Basically this.

Blood, guts, and general violence is something that is glorified in American culture, yet still frowned upon when its done outside of war. Yet when someone so much as mentions sex, people look at you like you just said I want to start a second Holocaust.

The second something goes against the catholic church or someone makes a "slight against God" you're pretty much fucked.

I remember in 3rd grade when we were reading a story out loud and it showed a long line of kids being impaled with a syringe (in a comical way of course) during this, I said "oh my god"

The entire room went silent and all eyes where on me. The teacher looked at me with the widest eyes in the biggest state of shock I've ever seen. My friend sitting next to me hit me on the arm and said "don't say that!!"

Then I was sent to the principal and was suspended.

 

[LaBambaMan]

Rape is as horrible as it is because you leave your victim to remember what happened, and that scars people for life. If you kill someone they don't run the chance of re-living the event over and over again because they're dead, but a rape victim will never forget what's been done to them.

 

[Yazacoo]

Unlike assault, the social stigma and psycological implications attached to rape can be permanatly scarring.

Assault is a terrible thing, but its always done in anger- rape degrades something that should
be done with love and plesure. Women can feel "stained" after it, imagine meeting the girl or guy of your dreams and having to tell them your were once raped. Imagine having to tell your friends and family that you've been raped. Its an act of such humiliation, because it brings such a private and personal topic to the whole community.

I know a man who was jumped on and stabbed in the jaw because of anti-semitism,
I also know a girl who was raped.

The bloke after his wounds healed was a bit weary of going out for awhile but he eventually recovered completely in a relativly short amount of time. In a matter of about 9 months he was out partying once again, telling the story and cursing the bastards.

On the other hand, The girl felt so tarnished by what had happened she tried to commited suicide, she attempted it several times till she was admitted to a psychiatric clinic amd remained there for 8 months. She didn't fully recover for about five years. And I don't think
you'd ever find her down in the pub telling that story.

Judging on the possible worst outcomes,(which those examples are not), I would say rape is worse. Rape can cause someone to take their own life. Assault however, does not.

I think murder is on par with rape. Although you may be dead, and your suffering is over, the suffering of those around you and those who love and depend on you is not.

sorry about the poor spelling