Rape versus assault and murder

[Doug]

Because in America, sex is illegal to even mention, whereas blood guts and gore is just somewhat frowned upon.

I'd have to agree with that.

And anyways, I'd say that the worst possible offense is murder - just for the fact that you can't simply "get better" after that.

Any kind of excessive psychological or physical damage to a child should be looked down upon and really, be equal. Of course, why bother parenting if you can just smack your kid or set him in front of TV, amirite?

Its not Americano-centric, for once. Rape is generally considered a horrifying crime around the developed world, most of the second world, and in a fair bit of the third world (even though its emdemic in some areas of the third world).

Its a crime without any possiblity of net good - for example, murdering, say, Hitler early in the war could have caused WW2 to end much sooner; however, rape has no scenario in which it can even affect a positive end for the world in general, society in the local area, or otherwise improve the lot of people. Rape is crime, voilation, and torture all rolled into one.

Ok, rape may not be a worse crime than murder, but murder has the possiblity of affecting a positive change. Rape doesn't.

Because broken bones heal relatively quickly - psychological damage is slightly less inclined to go away.

For me, personally, it's just that I don't have any moral problem with murder.

So how come your okay with brutally extinguishing a life forever but not with raping someone, is it something to do with murder being glorified in many aspects by society yet rape being seen as somehow dishonourable?

Read my post. We accept that, at times, we will need to kill - to protect, to preserve, to accomplish something, even. Rape has none of these positives - it can not protect, preserve not can it achieve anything save misery. To kill someone is an ending, a final, single act.

Rape is eternal. The victim will never forget.

This guy gets it.... although I wouldn't say eternal - women mostly do survive and learn to coup with what happened. And even if they don't, it ends when they die - and everyone dies sooner or later....well, expect me - I'm gonna live forever!

 

[Knight Templar]

To paraphrase Cheese_Pavilion: Most people will risk their lives to escape being raped, how many people will risk their lives to escape a mugging?

Not as many I bet.

It's more than just the act, its about power and having power over another in total. That is why its disgusting, you are attacking them in the worst way you can physically, mentally and emotionally with effects that will last long after the fact, longer than the time it takes for a broken arm to heal.

\But as much as I hate the people who do this I don't support the death penalty, so I won't be joing the chorus of "Kill the rapists"

So I rape her. Do I win?

No you're disgusting. I'm not sure if that was a joke or not but it was bad in any case.

 

[Quotation Marx]

Everyone knows someone. Or assumes something. The majority seems not to have experienced it. Could we then go ahead and figure that it is possible this has been made out to be worse than it is thought? Murder can cause psychological scars too. If someone beat and murdered the person most dear to you and caused enough damage to you that you needed surgery, would you feel that the person who did it deserves less punishment then someone convicted of statutory rape when both involved were in their teens? Hell no. Or what about someone convicted of forcible rape who did not cause significant physical harm to be convicted of assault as well? Not likely.

 

[El Poncho]

Rape is also emotionally scarring where as a kick to the face probably isn't.

 

[Doug]

rape is just forceful sex that happens to people who don't defend themselves.

That is one of the most ignorant comments I've read in my entire life.

Agreed - frankly, I'm more than alittle disguised at Jimmy.

 

[Quotation Marx]

And emotions are justification for assault or murder? Could not lust or desire then be a motive and justification of rape?

 

[Doug]

Try and justify rape.

About the only scenario where I saw rape being 'justified' was the movie Seven, where a guy was held at gun point to rape a woman.

However, that not real justification as the rape was effectively carried out by the pyschopath.

 

[Quotation Marx]

Unlike assault, the social stigma and psycological implications attached to rape can be permanatly scarring.

Assault is a terrible thing, but its always done in anger- rape degrades something that should
be done with love and plesure. Women can feel "stained" after it, imagine meeting the girl or guy of your dreams and having to tell them your were once raped. Imagine having to tell your friends and family that you've been raped. Its an act of such humiliation, because it brings such a private and personal topic to the whole community.

I know a man who was jumped on and stabbed in the jaw because of anti-semitism,
I also know a girl who was raped.

The bloke after his wounds healed was a bit weary of going out for awhile but he eventually recovered completely in a relativly short amount of time. In a matter of about 9 months he was out partying once again, telling the story and cursing the bastards.

On the other hand, The girl felt so tarnished by what had happened she tried to commited suicide, she attempted it several times till she was admitted to a psychiatric clinic amd remained there for 8 months. She didn't fully recover for about five years. And I don't think
you'd ever find her down in the pub telling that story.

Judging on the possible worst outcomes,(which those examples are not), I would say rape is worse. Rape can cause someone to take their own life. Assault however, does not.

I think murder is on par with rape. Although you may be dead, and your suffering is over, the suffering of those around you and those who love and depend on you is not.

sorry about the poor spelling

And what if the assault left them in a state where they were crippled for life, had to remained hospitalized, or were in constant pain? Couldn't that lead to a suicidal mentality, possibly a situation where they want to take their own life but can't even do it due to the injuries? Spinal cord damage could do this, no?

 

[Ciarang]

Im gonna go against the crowd and say id rather be raped than murdered.. there I said it flame me all you want

Well, saying that I would only rather be raped than murdered on the condition its not a violent rape >_<

 

[Yazacoo]

Unlike assault, the social stigma and psycological implications attached to rape can be permanatly scarring.

Assault is a terrible thing, but its always done in anger- rape degrades something that should
be done with love and plesure. Women can feel "stained" after it, imagine meeting the girl or guy of your dreams and having to tell them your were once raped. Imagine having to tell your friends and family that you've been raped. Its an act of such humiliation, because it brings such a private and personal topic to the whole community.

I know a man who was jumped on and stabbed in the jaw because of anti-semitism,
I also know a girl who was raped.

The bloke after his wounds healed was a bit weary of going out for awhile but he eventually recovered completely in a relativly short amount of time. In a matter of about 9 months he was out partying once again, telling the story and cursing the bastards.

On the other hand, The girl felt so tarnished by what had happened she tried to commited suicide, she attempted it several times till she was admitted to a psychiatric clinic amd remained there for 8 months. She didn't fully recover for about five years. And I don't think
you'd ever find her down in the pub telling that story.

Judging on the possible worst outcomes,(which those examples are not), I would say rape is worse. Rape can cause someone to take their own life. Assault however, does not.

I think murder is on par with rape. Although you may be dead, and your suffering is over, the suffering of those around you and those who love and depend on you is not.

sorry about the poor spelling

And what if the assault left them in a state where they were crippled for life, had to remained hospitalized, or were in constant pain? Couldn't that lead to a suicidal mentality, possibly a situation where they want to take their own life but can't even do it due to the injuries? Spinal cord damage could do this, no?

but the probablity of that occurring is far lower than that of rape. The chances of getting diseases and long lasting physcological are far higher in the act of rape, no?

Rape is also kept secret, and so the person deals with it consistantly without public support. When people can see what has happened to the victim in such a physical way they will of course naturally empathize with them. Where as there are people out there who look down who thoose who have been raped- just read up about some of the cases of the magdelen sisters and you'll see.

 

[Mythos1092]

I don't have a clue how anyone can POSSIBLY think rape is worse than murder. With rape, yes, there's extreme psychological damage, but they're still alive. They can still live a full life. With murder, that's it. They're gone. You took away their life. They don't exist anymore. A lifetime of opportunities for them, a lifetime of experiences. The ones they already had are gone and the potential ones will never be experienced. You REALLY think rape is worse than that?

 

[Nargleblarg]

Hard to say which is worse me personally I don't think it's considered rape if you enjoy it...I kid I kid....unless it's a man then yes I'd rather die.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

I would rather be rapes. How bad could it be?

 

[LordSnakeEyes]

On a cold, detached and nearly robotic note (I may make enemies...); Rape is better than Murder (Note: Both are horrible in their own right)

Here is why:
With Rape, the person is nonetheless *alive*. This person can still function in society and in itself that helps other people live their lives as this one person will still buy things which ends up somewhere *at least*. Anyway, if the person can't get over it, she either pays a psychologist (thus aiding the psychologist earn a living) or kills herself (giving a funeral home some business).
-----Again I repeat; Being analytical, not emotional... No offense.
With Murder, it's often much less productive. The person dies, you hide the body... Sure an investigator gets a job, but that just becomes taxes for the people, hence becoming overall a negative thing.
(Although yes, murder can be justifiable if and only if it's self-defense)

 

[Jedoro]

You'd have to be a martial arts sensei to be ashamed of getting your ass kicked by ten guys. It would suck, but I wouldn't be ashamed.

No, even they know better than to feel bad when the odds are that stacked against them.

Good point. I'd only ever be ashamed of it if I was a master of some magical art that specifically taught me how to kick the ass of ten guys at the same time.

But since that doesn't exist, and I'm not a master, I resign to the "you's a *****" taunt once I recover.

 

[Sparrow]

Because you can't glamorise it.

Believe me, if there was a way to make rape cool like murder and drugs (I'm not saying that murder and drugs are cool myself, but they are just meant to seem so in alot of media), nobody would care as much.

 

[Mythos1092]

Because you can't glamorise it.

Believe me, if there was a way to make rape cool like murder and drugs (I'm not saying that murder and drugs are cool myself, but they are just meant to seem so in alot of media), nobody would care as much.

You've got a point there. A hitman can be seen as cool. A rapist is always just some creepy bastard.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

So a parent beating his child does not do any psychological damage? Interesting.

One could then say that rape could also be something anyone could get over very quickly (which it isn't, unless you do, in which case congratulations).

Why should it?
"Oh no, I got beaten up."

If anything, it should prepare them for school.

But seriously, why would it?
It's the same as getting hit by someone else - the only difference is, you know where your parents sleep at night.

Please tell me you're not being serious. By that kind of logic, I could say the same thing about rape.

"Eh, it's just rape. It's like sex. No big deal, stop acting like a pussy, it's over now" and whatnot (But I won't because I''m not a dick.)

Are you seriously questioning what is wrong with a grown adult beating an infant? How the fuck is the child supposed to feel when even the same people who put him in this world and are supposed to love and care for him no matter what are actually doing him physical harm?

And most importantly, how can you just shrug it all off and not see how this would bring up issues in the child's life? And how can you expect anyone to take your arguments about rape seriously when you're spouting this kind of crap? I seriously hope you're yanking my chain.