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Geo Da Sponge

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HG131 said:
AgentNein said:
HG131 said:
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HG131 said:
You. Are. Overreacting. He's 9, his mind won't be warped by it. In fact, mind warping is next to time warping (LETS DO THE TIME WARP, YEAH!) on the list of impossible things morons will believe.
And here I thought the jury was still out on the effect that violent video games may have on the psyche of children. I'm glad your extensive research has come in and cemented the matter.
Studies have shown that it has NO LASTING EFFECT. The jury is in, it's harmless.
Cite your sources.
I swear, if you're one of those morons who don't trust Wikipedia even though THEY cite THEIR sources, I will be VERY pissed off! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversy]
Well first off, I would point out that that's a very unstable article. The Talk page is a mess and there is repeated mentions of biased previous versions of the article. I therefore have no reason not to believe that the current state of the article is not just a flick one way or the other. Secondly at least some of the sources cited by the article say that violent video games can influence kids, for example this one:

http://www.apa.org/research/action/games.aspx
 

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I don't see the big deal. If the kid understands not to do that irl and such, then he'll be just fine.
 

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Oh these are the kind of things that just make me mad. I have been playing M games for years. Hell I was playing them before there was M. I have been playing DOOM since i was like 6 and Diablo when ever my dad got it. A friend of my brother's roughly 10 years old was playing DOOM 3 and asked me for help. So I did.
 

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My Stepbrother, who's like ten plays CoD and he is amazing at that game. I don't like him playing that game so much, and he was playing on my PS3, so I went up to him and said "Hey, you don't have to play that game all the time, I got other games." and he looked up at me and went "Oh?" and then looked through my collection and put in NHL 10.

Sometimes the kids just play what they think is cool cause they feel they have too.
 

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I'd let my kids play anything. Especialyl games like Manhunt. Without a doubt.
 

Geo Da Sponge

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HG131 said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
HG131 said:
AgentNein said:
HG131 said:
AgentNein said:
HG131 said:
You. Are. Overreacting. He's 9, his mind won't be warped by it. In fact, mind warping is next to time warping (LETS DO THE TIME WARP, YEAH!) on the list of impossible things morons will believe.
And here I thought the jury was still out on the effect that violent video games may have on the psyche of children. I'm glad your extensive research has come in and cemented the matter.
Studies have shown that it has NO LASTING EFFECT. The jury is in, it's harmless.
Cite your sources.
I swear, if you're one of those morons who don't trust Wikipedia even though THEY cite THEIR sources, I will be VERY pissed off! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversy]
Well first off, I would point out that that's a very unstable article. The Talk page is a mess and there is repeated mentions of biased previous versions of the article. I therefore have no reason not to believe that the current state of the article is not just a flick one way or the other. Secondly at least some of the sources cited by the article say that violent video games can influence kids, for example this one:

http://www.apa.org/research/action/games.aspx
The FBI would beg to differ.
I fail to see what the FBI have to do with it, but I expect this will be explained in your next repsonse which will no doubt truly display once and for all how irrefutable your argument is. You could have just explained what you meant in this post, but that just wouldn't have been as snazzy, would it?
 
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Well, if the kid doesn't have a predisposition to violent behavior, then there's not that great a chance playing video games will make him become a violent person. I've been playing violent video games for quite a while, and it hasn't changed how I act. I'm far from violent.
 

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It honestly kind of pisses me off how overprotective my parents are, and I'm against your view. I think if their parents let 'em play the games, then it's their decision. Actually, if and when I have kids, I'm going to let them do kind of whatever. Do your parents have a lot of restrictions on games, music, etc?
That doesn't sound like very good parenting.
 

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squid5580 said:
Oh dear I think you need a bit of video games so you can man up. Bullshit being violent lol. I hate to tell you but someone calling your post what it is is not violent.
I said it had many violent undertones. Let me refresh your memory so I don't have to rely on you reading through it completely. ( I realise that is not a strong point of yours to say the least.)You know what an "undertone" is right?

-"Bullshit!!!! Pure and utter Bullshit. Rising cases of ADD my fuckin ass."
Let's ignore the fact that you disagree with me. Here we have the use of 4 exclamation points to drive home your point. Not anything in and of itself but let's mix it with profanity and 3 statements in a row that essentially say the same thing. SOmething that is a dead giveaway of hostility.
-"are no longer allowed to give them the ass kickings they deserve for thier disrespectful behaviour."
-"WE CAN'T FUCKING WELL HAVE THAT CAN WE"
This time lets use caps and profanity as our closing statement to refer to the rediculousness of the post you obviously did not read all of.


Now lets look at all the facts shall we. How many of these undisiplined kids are coming from broken homes? How many are latch key kids? How many are raising themselves because the economy is in the crapper so thier parents are working 2-3 jobs? Oh no none of that can be a problem now can it? No it must be video games that are corrupting our youth. There is so many factors to this you can't just point at 1 aspect and say well that is the problem. Well I guess you can if you are a moron but it doesn't solve anything. It doesn't help anything. Because the only thing that will help is not getting them away from violent video games. The only thing that is going to help is getting them in homes with people who have parenting skills.
There is so much here I would have to disect it into little quote nuggets to fully cover it. It is apparent you have yet to go back up and read what you originally quoted. I know ~3 paragraphs is alot for your "mature" mind to have to sit through and logically follow. First off, once again I said this plays a role. I repeat a role. Never one time have I pointed out that this alone is the sole contributor to the problems I sited. I said it has an influence. Are you seriously so dense you cannot see how this has any influence whatsoever?

Because if so you are just as bad as people saying it is the sole contributor. Saying that large exposure to mature content has no effect on a child is as foolish as saying that it has brainwashing effects on a child. It has effects. Which child do you think would be better behaved if one only was allowed to play Mario and Link as opposed that was only allowed to play Saint Row 2 and GTA? Seriously, man, put down your soapbox, it isn't helping anything. My whole point in my post stresses the fact that it has to do more with parenting than the games.

Have a look at the part I bolded. Which child is more likely able to be able to play these mature games society is trying to tell parents not to let you kids play? Ones like you state or ones with solid parental supervision? Are you still unable to form any connection here? Are you even still reading my post is what I am really wondering at this point and not just skimming it. This material is like smoking. It isn't going to kill you on your first puff, but prolonged and large exposure to it is not only "not good for you" it is bad for you. Make sure you read all of that sentence and not just the end of it. Find the full meaning of the sentence. It is especially bad for someone who is developing and has yet to really establish solid social skills.

Alright, I may as well end it as I will be surprised if you manage to read all that. I ain't even going to bother responding unless the arguement actually has some thought put into and not just drivel. All you are doing is pointing at "the man" and blaming him for all of it and giving video games a free ride. Stubborn ignorance like that can't not be reasoned with and thus, is as stimulating someone beat head against a brick wall in hopes the wall will create a door for them.
Here I will type this real slow so you can follow along OK. Video games, movies media blah blah blah are scapegoat excuses. That is what it is. No matter how big of a post you make or how mature you try and sound it doesn't change the fact that if a child has a parent who has parenting skills all the media in the world won't have a negative effect on them. Sure you can try and use the extreme BS excuse but you know what ANYTHING you do without moderating is harmful. Aspirin are fine if you take two. They are good for you. Eat a few dozen and guess where your next stop is. And so we get right back to the heart of the matter PARENTING. It isn't COD4's fault or Activision's or the media's or the ESRB or Gamestop's or insert little Jimmy is playing it all day and night. Nope that is his parents fault. So you can try and pin the blame on anything you want but at the end of the day it is up to the parents to do thier jobs. And as long as there is stupidity like I just read defending parents while blaming outside forces well that isn't going to solve anything now is it?

Oh and good job on the bolded part there. Fuck so your big thing is because parents can't be there they aren't to blame? FUCK THAT AND YOUR BLATANT IGNORANCE. That is thier job when they spit out a kid. To raise them. And if the latch key kids are getting thier hands on M rated games well once again who's fault is that? The industry's who have done everything they can to ensure these kids don't get thier hands on the games? OR THE FUCKING PARENTS???
 

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Sorry, what? Me and my mates grew up on GTA, Commandos, Tekken, Resident Evil, Doom and a hell of a lot of other violent games. None of us who played those games were prone to any serious violence, most of us never even willingly got into mild school fights, even when provoked.

On the other hand I know people who've been barely to never exposed to violent TV/video games and guess what, those kids usually thought it was a real smart idea to practice that violence in real life. Seriously, you put up a classic gaming nerd and a cool guy who's never played video games next to each other and tell me the nerd is going to be the more violent one.. are you serious? :p
 

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I was in a GameStop about to grab my new Xbox360-S when I overheard a mom asking the clerk about why ME2 was rated M. When the clerk named off the actual reasons behind it, she let out quite the audible gasp and told her son he couldn't have it.

That shit was fucking glorious. [sighs wistfully]
 

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HG131 said:
IxionIndustries said:
As long as the kid isn't going around shooting people because he saw it on Call of Duty, then I have no issue.

Hell, I was playing fucking Unreal Tournament when I was 6, so I grew up around that kind of shit.

The kid said his favorite games were shooters. Big deal. Fuck, lighten up for a bit.
Exactly. I've been playing M games since I was 5. I wasn't warped by them.
I would be more worried if the above was the sum total of favorite games, with no other games to balance it out.

Violent games are fine and it is probably healthy (Within respect) to throw a few of them into a persons gaming library. It does become a problem when violent games is all a person plays however.

There are plenty of non-violent games on the market that appeal to anyone's taste.
 

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My parents wouldn't even think of letting me play something M rated until I was 13 (it took a hell of a lot of convincing just to get my hands on Persona 3), but I am not surprised by that kid, nor do I have a problem with him. After all, my cousins had me playing Resident Evil when I was 9 or so without my parents' knowledge, and a friend of mine whom I've known from when I was 11 had (has) plenty of violent games since her parents really couldn't care less what she and her sisters play or watch. It's really not that big of a deal as long as the child isn't already mentally unstable in some way.
 

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squid5580 said:
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Oh and good job on the bolded part there. Fuck so your big thing is because parents can't be there they aren't to blame? FUCK THAT AND YOUR BLATANT IGNORANCE. That is thier job when they spit out a kid. To raise them. And if the latch key kids are getting thier hands on M rated games well once again who's fault is that? The industry's who have done everything they can to ensure these kids don't get thier hands on the games? OR THE FUCKING PARENTS???
Congratulations on managing to leave your "roxxor" elist attitude in check for a moment and have a civilized couple lines about a topic alot of people take seriously. But you are still not reading my arguement. I AM blaming the parents. Quit putting words in my mouth. It is my arguement that regulating what your child plays is the act of a responsible parent. I am not letting parents off the hook. Sonuva *****, man, would you please take this time to go through and actually read my posts? Since you seem so determined to use a part of what I am saying and exaggerate it and another part of my arguement to tell me I am wrong. I haven't pointed at video games and said "this is the cause for all childrens problems today". This is a grey area, guy. It isn't a black and white situation. But one thing is for for sure, these games such as GTA do not offer any positive effects. They DO offer negative effects even if some people believe they are only short term.

You know what, whatever dude. You are determined not to pick up on what I am saying. Possibly even trolling. I seriously find it hard to believe anyone is that thick. If this is the best you can do in response to what I have posted and for some reason you feel that your viewpoint opposes mine, whatever. You haven't addressed any of my points. You are essentially agreeing with me and then stating I am wrong because you are caught up in a pissing contest online more than a conversation. Do us all a favor and don't argue on behalf of video games anymore. You make us all look bad.

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AyrSuppli said:
It honestly kind of pisses me off how overprotective my parents are, and I'm against your view. I think if their parents let 'em play the games, then it's their decision. Actually, if and when I have kids, I'm going to let them do kind of whatever. Do your parents have a lot of restrictions on games, music, etc?
Hell Yes this right here!!!!^^^

Who the hell are any of you to try and tell someone else how they should raise thier kids? Fuck sakes you get your panties in a bunch whenever someone in government dares threaten YOUR FREEDOMS and you think any of you have the right to try and take away someone elses??? BUNCH OF FUCKIN HYPOCRITES!!!!!!
No wonder you are probably under 17 and on some crusade. I wanna smack myself now for not checking into it sooner. It smelled fishy from the start. You ain't mature enough for mature content yet, little guy. The last thing we need is to encourage this type of poor social skills. You should have the the basic capability to debate by the age of 12. You lack this. You need to be working on that more than your trigger reflexes in imaginary settings.
 

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666Chaos said:
My question for you is do you really think that little of children these days. Kids are complete retards you know they can tell the difference between a game and reality. Hes not going to go around shooting cops, stealing cars and killing hookers for money because he played GTA as a kid. Dam your almost as bad as all those ignorant anti video game people out there.
Albert Bandura's Bobo Doll Study

look it up

SnowdensOfYesteryear said:
And I think a lot of people with "evidence" are ignoring possible cause-and-effect order. "Violent videogames leads into violent actions!" Or, y'know, violent people are more likely to enjoy violent games... because they're violent.
The above stated study had a control group so it so this objection cannot apply to it.

superstringz said:
So, Calm down ye moral knights. Nothing has actually changed in the last five centuries or so.
While I agree that fear of societal decline is often overbloated, we should not be so reactionary as to assume no such fear will ever be waranted.
 

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I hate normal people and their ever mercurial ways....their standard of "normal" always changes and like monkeys on branches they swing from branch to branch for sweeter fruits and sometimes they change the tree they're on entirely....as soon as they discover something new the fruits of yesterday are somehow obsolete. I'm so retarded and I'm glad I am