Regarding Santa Claus [NO KIDS ALLOWED]
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I love Christmas and the magic of Santa. It was the most wonderful time of the year for me as a kid and still is today. I don't remember when I realised Santa didn't exist, but I do remember that when I did, I realised that it was my parents who had made Christmas this magical time for me. It made me happy and I loved them more for it. I'm now a productive and intelligent member of society and still have an extremely active imagination.
Christmas is still magical for me and each year I will be recreating the magic of Santa for my son. I want him to have as magical a childhood as I had. He was too young this year to really understand what was going on but next year his smiles will become my new fondest memories.
For those who want parents to tell their kids the truth and remove the magic, I feel sorry for you. Christmas may not have been as magical for you as it was for others. I think, however, when (if) you have your own children, you will not be able to deprive them of the magic and potentially cripple their imagination. Having a child grow up with out magic to stir his or her imagination will likely (in my opinion) lead to an adult living a mundane and unfulfilled life, and that is not something I would wish upon my worst enemies.
On a side note, I apoligise for the excessive use of the word magic(al) in this post, but that, for me, is the best way to describe the festive season.
Christmas is still magical for me and each year I will be recreating the magic of Santa for my son. I want him to have as magical a childhood as I had. He was too young this year to really understand what was going on but next year his smiles will become my new fondest memories.
For those who want parents to tell their kids the truth and remove the magic, I feel sorry for you. Christmas may not have been as magical for you as it was for others. I think, however, when (if) you have your own children, you will not be able to deprive them of the magic and potentially cripple their imagination. Having a child grow up with out magic to stir his or her imagination will likely (in my opinion) lead to an adult living a mundane and unfulfilled life, and that is not something I would wish upon my worst enemies.
On a side note, I apoligise for the excessive use of the word magic(al) in this post, but that, for me, is the best way to describe the festive season.
Replace "Santa Claus" with God and we-... ah fuck, you ninja'd my post already =/The Virgo said:
Ummm... I really don't know.
I know why they do it for god, but since you don't want it to turn into one of "those threads", I won't say it.
Oh! I know! Because they want their kids to believe in magic?
I really don't know...
Don't tell me you've never heard of San tan Craws!!!!! [sub]Dun Dun DUUUNNN![/sub]
He was the true inspiration for the story. He smelt out naughty children and kidnapped them and put them to work in his sweatshop factory at the centre of the earth creating cruddy quality goods and selling them at outrageous prices. The good kids were only spared as he couldn't sniff them out. Parents created the story in order to save their children on christmas eve and since children are less likely to listen to a horror story, they created Santa Claus as a more children friendly story.
Even during these modern times San tan Craws still lives and on christmas eve, naughty children still disapper...
He was the true inspiration for the story. He smelt out naughty children and kidnapped them and put them to work in his sweatshop factory at the centre of the earth creating cruddy quality goods and selling them at outrageous prices. The good kids were only spared as he couldn't sniff them out. Parents created the story in order to save their children on christmas eve and since children are less likely to listen to a horror story, they created Santa Claus as a more children friendly story.
Even during these modern times San tan Craws still lives and on christmas eve, naughty children still disapper...
Haha, What? Really, you pity the guy that finds joy in the little things while you're over there thinking that being a cynical egotistical "realist" on every small children's fairytale is the proper way to live a life?The Virgo said:
Yeah, I'm envious of you. Sounds like you really are living large over there bud.
because you dont want to be the parent who doesnt tell their kid, then your kid cant keep their fucking trap shut and tell everyone else, then you become the ire of the community. I hsould know, I made it happen to my mom.
A similarly well thought out and eloquent post. Yes, I have to agree, the Space Race and the allure of the infinite cosmos did reinvigorate the human imagination. You need only to look at individuals and characters like Buzz Aldrin, Albert Einstein or even Buck Rogers in order to see this fascination in action with society as a whole.The Virgo said:Hmm, a rather interesting post you have made there.Quantum Roberts said:
Yes, a lot of the "magic" in the world was lost. A bit of this magic, I think, was rekindled back in the early days of the Space Age, as the image of traveling through the vast reaches of the universe and possibly meeting different other species on other planets must have fascinated not only kids, but even some adults as well. Hell, some adults still believe that there are aliens. As for me, I can't say either way, there may very well be, for all I know and what the governments do not tell us, but until I see someone with a probe stuck up his/her ass, I shall remain skeptical.
So, yes, the magic is lost. But the removal of that magic didn't destroy creativity or imagination. We still have painters and poets and even songwriters that write good songs. And let's not also forget that if you do not have something, it won't be missed. What I mean by that is that if you did a test with two children and you had one of them raised with a belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny and dragons and things ... and had one child raised knowing they were all false ... I bet you whatever you want that they would both turn out fine. Maybe not, I grant you, but I'm 98% sure they would be grow up to be fine, model citizens.
Growing up without magic doesn't necessarily mean a life without creativity or imagination. It would just mean a life of grounded realism.
I also have to agree that your point regarding painters and poets and other creatives. Regarding your final point though, this is where I would have to agree to disagree. Not because I believe realism is a bad thing or because a 22-year-old believing in dragons is particularly normal, but simply because realism, to me at least, can be a little boring
.To quote one of my favourite writers...
"A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men"
Aww that's so sweet! I hope he had a good Christmas regardless of whether he understood or not.djAMPnz said:
Well, in my experience from believing in Santa when I was a kid, I have to say: IT WAS FUN.The Virgo said:
Yeah, I look back on it not thinking it was about tricking me or instilling fear in me, but it was appealing to my once innocent magic believing child brain. I liked believing that a man with flying reindeer could traverse a journey around the globe in one night and somehow survive in an inhospitable environment. If my parents truly "bullshitted" me in any way with this, I'm glad they did. MERRY FRICKIN' CHRISTMAS!
Look buddy, I doubt it's something complicated like scaring children into submission. Santa is just something fun for children, there is a time when a child has to grow up, but there is also a time when a child can still be...y'know, a child. Its like the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny, its something fun for kids. Looking back on it, I'm glad I believed in Santa Claus.
I am, actually. What about it? And if it weren't for us cynics, there would be 50 suckers every minute born and 232 to take them.JoesshittyOs said:
Interesting, because when I suddenly realized that Santa was a fake, I disdained my parents for having lied to me even when I confronted them and told them to tell me honestly if there was a Santa ... and disdained myself for having been a putz to believe it for 13 years. In fact, I still hate them a little for it. And every Christmas since then has been a bland, boring time of the year, marked only by cold weather.djAMPnz said:
I suppose that realism can be boring. I actually find the real world more than any fantasy world, though. However, when I want a dose of the insane, there always Monty Python and his Flying Circus to fix that need!Quantum Roberts said:I also have to agree that your point regarding painters and poets and other creatives. Regarding your final point though, this is where I would have to agree to disagree. Not because I believe realism is a bad thing or because a 22-year-old believing in dragons is particularly normal, but simply because realism, to me at least, can be a little boring
To quote one of my favourite writers...
"A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men"
Santa kind of freaks me out. In commercials you always see him breaking into houses and the kids run into him. Then he just goes Shhhhh, and winks. Just makes me uneasy.
I think parents enjoy the challenge. You get to be santa once a year. Spreading joy to your children. They all scream thank you Santa and you feel good about yourself.
As for the lying I was ok with it, but then again I figured it out around 7 years old.
I think parents enjoy the challenge. You get to be santa once a year. Spreading joy to your children. They all scream thank you Santa and you feel good about yourself.
As for the lying I was ok with it, but then again I figured it out around 7 years old.
Why do people hate fun?
Me and my little nephew have a joke going that I'm like some super-villain who tries to steal the toys every year. I walk in looking really sad and he's like 'Foiled again?' and I'm like 'Yeah' :<
It's just a bit of a laugh.
Me and my little nephew have a joke going that I'm like some super-villain who tries to steal the toys every year. I walk in looking really sad and he's like 'Foiled again?' and I'm like 'Yeah' :<
It's just a bit of a laugh.
Simple form of control with religion light, instead of "be good or burn in hell heathen scum" it's "be good or no presents".
And who wouldn't want to control their kids, you made the bastards now dance my puppets, dance!
And who wouldn't want to control their kids, you made the bastards now dance my puppets, dance!
To quote Doctor Who "What's the point of them being happy now if they will be sad later?BECAUSE they will be sad later."
Reality is cruel, harsh, and it sucks. You say we should allow our children to grow up with a grounded sense of reality. And yeah, there is some truth to that statement. But, name me one person you know who grew up with psychological problems because their parents pervaded a myth. Its just harmless fun. Its not tricking you, cause no kid ever actually gets coal. It is something magical for the children and the parent. Have you ever see a child on Christmas morning? I tell you, that sight warmed my cold, black heart. I consider myself a cynic much like you, but this is one issue where I will happily side with the masses. It is something beautiful.
Plus, I remember when I was a kid, one kid in our class had parents like yourself. They always told him that Santa is not real. He grew up pretty much unharmed by it, (his asbergers syndrome, I assume, is unrelated) but one day, he was feeling spiteful, and to a class filled with little kids who were incredibly excited for the arrival of Santa Claus, announced that he was not real. I think we all had an inkling by this stage, (I know I did) but this was the straw that broke the camels back. We were all very angry and very upset.
If your objective is to prevent this from happening, then fair enough. But always remember, if you do this, your child could end up being that jealous, vindictive, asshole that just had to spoil it for everyone.
Reality is cruel, harsh, and it sucks. You say we should allow our children to grow up with a grounded sense of reality. And yeah, there is some truth to that statement. But, name me one person you know who grew up with psychological problems because their parents pervaded a myth. Its just harmless fun. Its not tricking you, cause no kid ever actually gets coal. It is something magical for the children and the parent. Have you ever see a child on Christmas morning? I tell you, that sight warmed my cold, black heart. I consider myself a cynic much like you, but this is one issue where I will happily side with the masses. It is something beautiful.
Plus, I remember when I was a kid, one kid in our class had parents like yourself. They always told him that Santa is not real. He grew up pretty much unharmed by it, (his asbergers syndrome, I assume, is unrelated) but one day, he was feeling spiteful, and to a class filled with little kids who were incredibly excited for the arrival of Santa Claus, announced that he was not real. I think we all had an inkling by this stage, (I know I did) but this was the straw that broke the camels back. We were all very angry and very upset.
If your objective is to prevent this from happening, then fair enough. But always remember, if you do this, your child could end up being that jealous, vindictive, asshole that just had to spoil it for everyone.
Why are people so against Santa? He is not a lie, he is a story told to children to make them happy. The part about getting presents if you're good is to teach them that if you're bad you'll get punished but if you're good then good things will happen to you. Santa is a life lesson just like any other childhood story. I guess you think we shouldn't tell them stories like Cinderella either then. Let kids be kids! Let them believe in magic and think that the world is a wonderful place because hell I'd give anything to have that innocence again. One of the reasons I think kids seem to act up more than usual now is because they aren't allowed to have that innocence anymore. They have to have an adults understanding of the world so they try to act like adults. Of course they aren't adults so they aren't mature enough to act like them so you get all the problems like 8 year olds dressing like 18 year olds and 12 year old alcoholics.
No toothfairy or queen of england either!SilentCom said:
OT: I didn't realize there were actually someone outside of the Jehova witnesses people who thought ill of Santa Claus. Claim to be a realist all you want, but even someone who doesn't believe in the magic of things should still want their kid to be happy for those few extra days of the year.
Sure, parents get the kid their toys. We know this. My experience with what you make out to be some kind of obediance technique is that parents will get their kid what they want for Christmas anyway unless they've been behaving REALLY bad because they want their kid to be happy during a festive season.
It's a happy tradition and if you want to call out something wrong about Christmas then don't pull Santa Claus down. Why don't you attack those old ladies who steal from others' shopping carts and bully their way to the january sales afterwards? Beause there's a real awful display of crazed consumerism that doesn't belong anywhere.
Look this does not matter if it is truth fiction real or fake this santa clause was once adopted as a story of old saint nick from germany where the parents were to poor to promote such an idea where saint nick was an old toy maker that whittled in his free time he gave his creations to kids when he passed by nothing more he became over glorified by being dubbed a saint after his death and renamed santa clause when translated is saintly cause. now it is used to promote consumerism on winter solstice pagan holiday later made to be hedonistic then was made to be christian based giving underlying "tones." Anger is unnecessary in this I personally do not celebrate any holiday due to my religious beliefs saying why have festivities on one given day why can it not be every day what make this day different and don't say christmas cheer or some nonsense like that.