Return Of Kings celebrate 'making The Force Awakens lose $4.2 mil'

[RJ Dalton]

I'm going to quote King Arthur: "No, on second thought, let's not go to Twitter. It is a silly place."

 

[WindKnight]

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

 

[Saltyk]

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

Except what you've brought up is pretty much the bulk of the SJW bogeyman.

I know you say you're not one to dismiss the claim out of hand, but in practice? You are.

The problem is that it is nigh impossible to tell when someone is being sincere or just taking the piss. So, with these guys I'm inclined to think this is an example of someone parodying the way people think some group talks. However, I can't rule out that they aren't just stupid.

It cuts both ways. I'm not going to get in an argument about this on the internet. Doubly so on this site, as I know how the more vocal people on this site feel on certain subjects. Just know that I'll call out stupid when I see it. And this is stupid at worst and a parody at best.

 

[JemothSkarii]

Huh, I always thought ROK were Traditionalists or Alt-Cons or something.

But then the lolMRAs thing starts to flare up eerily similar to lolFeminists. People never seem to see parallels.

As others have said, $4.2mill is a drop in the bucket for Disney, and even just Star Wars. There was no way that this movie wasn't going to make a shitload of money.
Cute that they think it makes any sort of impact.

 

[Lilani]

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

True, and I've observed the same thing. But if it becomes as defined of an ideology as feminism, the labels of MRA and MRM are likely to stick, even if just to refer to those reactionary movements.

 

[Bat Vader]

ROK, MRAs, MRMs, and SJWs all sound pretty unpleasant to me. I'm sure Disney is real sad losing out on what is considered chump change to them.

 

[Something Amyss]

It cuts both ways.

And yet somehow, this leads to you treating a false concept with validity. That's not "cutting both ways," that's a false appeal to centrism. And I don't want to argue with that anyway. But it's fundamentally dishonest.

Oh yeah? Well, I single-handedly made sure that TFA earned an extra $17.2 million!

"Prove it"? I said it on the Internet; that's proof enough!

I don't know, I saw a quote from Abraham Lincoln about not trust everything you read on the internet....

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

Yeah, it's weird in that you tend to see those evil feminist SJW lizardwomen do more to address men's issues than you tend to see from "MRAs." "Men's Rights" groups, at least the ones that keep coming up, seem to be almost exclusively reactionary.

 

[Zontar]

Yeah, it's weird in that you tend to see those evil feminist SJW lizardwomen do more to address men's issues than you tend to see from "MRAs." "Men's Rights" groups, at least the ones that keep coming up, seem to be almost exclusively reactionary.

Not sure how things are state-side, but in Canada and the UK this is most certainly not the case. I know it's not a "one size fits all", but in our two countries the statements that feminists are the first and loudest group working against men's rights is a factual statement, and anyone claiming that feminists are working for solving the issues faced here is lying.

Which is actually pretty ironic since it would be much easier to solve the issues of men in Canada and the UK since 90% of the problems would be solves with a stroke of a pen by parliament.

 

[runic knight]

I find it hard to believe that people didn't watch the movie because of anything said along these lines that weren't already apparent in the trailers.

Don't know who these people are, supposedly they aren't MRA but whatever.

Going to second this one. Pretty sure I heard the latest Star wars movie not only made more money that any previous record, but actually is so profitable that even the cold, cynical, manipulative, childhood-manufacturing hearts of the disney execs managed to feel a little warm and fuzzy this christmas.

Not sure how things are state-side, but in Canada and the UK this is most certainly not the case. I know it's not a "one size fits all", but in our two countries the statements that feminists are the first and loudest group working against men's rights is a factual statement, and anyone claiming that feminists are working for solving the issues faced here is lying.

Which is actually pretty ironic since it would be much easier to solve the issues of men in Canada and the UK since 90% of the problems would be solves with a stroke of a pen by parliament.

All I can think of about this side discussion is the example of the feminist driven campaign to defund men's shelter I heard a bit back in the Canadian news. Honestly, given how much Feminists demonize and scapegoat MRA (that is to say, the radicals that seem to have the respective microphones and go near-completely unchallenged by other self-proclaimed of the group), really finding it hard to take any claim that "feminists address men's issues more than MRA" seriously. Not that MRA groups have done a hell of a lot of good themselves from what I have seen of those organizations, but between the two, I can at least say I have seen some MRA trying to address men's issues, whenever I see feminists in relation to those, it is always either cutting down the issue as not important/money could be "better spent" elsewhere/women's issues more important, or resuming demonizing and attack on the MRA as some sort of great evil. So basically the same response seen of MRA toward feminists issues.

 

[RedDeadFred]

If you actually click on the link that they provide, you see that they do some pretty wild assumptions to come to that number. Only 565 people voted and out of those people 55% said that the stuff they read impacted their decision to see the movie. It's not even worded as "negatively" impacted. Just impacted... I bet they cost them a few thousand dollars at most, and I wouldn't be surprised that many of those people wouldn't have seen it anyway on the basis of the Jedi being a woman.

I'm probably reading a bit too much into this insanity. But hey, might as well start off the new year chuckling!

 

[Khrowley]

Yea verily thou art at thoest's manliest when thousts celebrate drawing a single drop of blood from thine enemy. Hip hip huzzah for the Kings!

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

ROK, MRAs, MRMs, and SJWs all sound pretty unpleasant to me. I'm sure Disney is real sad losing out on what is considered chump change to them.

And indeed never has the phrase chump change been used more appropriately.

 

[Bat Vader]

If you actually click on the link that they provide, you see that they do some pretty wild assumptions to come to that number. Only 565 people voted and out of those people 55% said that the stuff they read impacted their decision to see the movie. It's not even worded as "negatively" impacted. Just impacted... I bet they cost them a few thousand dollars at most, and I wouldn't be surprised that many of those people wouldn't have seen it anyway on the basis of the Jedi being a woman.

I'm probably reading a bit too much into this insanity. But hey, might as well start off the new year chuckling!

If on the off chance there is someone that won't see it because of a female Jedi I say good. I would rather they keep their stupid opinions away from an awesome movie and not drag it down.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

'Oh no! We only made >$1 billion dollars as opposed to >$1.004 billion!'

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[lionsprey]

anyone else that keeps thinking Return of Kings refer to the 3rd lord of the rings movie whenever they see this topic?

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

(reading a few pages)

The escapist a place were even if we agree with each other will find some way to pointlessly argue.

 

[Saltyk]

It cuts both ways.

And yet somehow, this leads to you treating a false concept with validity. That's not "cutting both ways," that's a false appeal to centrism. And I don't want to argue with that anyway. But it's fundamentally dishonest.

What false concept am I treating with validity here? The subject at hand? Because, I don't treat these guys with any validity. Their claim is a joke. As I said, they're either a (stupid) parody, or just plain stupid.

If you mean the fact that I don't dismiss the idea of SJW out of hand, that's because I have seen actual examples of what I consider SJWs both in person and on the internet. But, I also know of many people that get accused of being SJW that aren't. Jim Sterling is a perfect example.

Beyond that, it's not a false appeal to centrism. I am a politically center person. And I've always been the type to play "Devil's Advocate" anyway. Just because you don't think that is possible doesn't mean it isn't possible.

But, you're also misquoting or misunderstanding my line about things cutting both ways. I will call out anything that is wrong or stupid. I've corrected my own parents when they said something that is wrong. This has actually made conversations between my parents, my sister, and myself quite interesting. My parents are more conservative, my sister more liberal, and I am more central, so I end up correcting and agreeing with all of them at different points, never really being on anyone's side.

And even on this site, I've called out dumb actions being performed by groups with goals I support. You can't simply dismiss everything that makes your side look bad as Poe's Law and say that every group or person that says something that you disagree with is totally legit and representative of the group at large. That is intellectually dishonest.

Oh yeah? Well, I single-handedly made sure that TFA earned an extra $17.2 million!

"Prove it"? I said it on the Internet; that's proof enough!

I don't know, I saw a quote from Abraham Lincoln about not trust everything you read on the internet....

Yeah, it's like Shaka Zulu once said: "The internet is a hive of scum and villainy."

 

[THM]

*reads thread to date*

Yeesh. And RoK is the one being accused being reactionary and hateful.

It's an opinion site, nothing more; very few of the writers there act like what they post is gospel, even the site's creator. Feel free to disagree with anything (and everything) that's on there...but why the vehemence? It's a website, at the end of the day - nobody's either forcing you to visit, or take a word of it seriously. And to be honest, sometimes they do bring up subjects that are worth debating about.

OT: I don't take this particular article the least bit seriously. I mean, there's an article on the site at the moment espousing a September 11th conspiracy theory that's just...insane.

The objection of the original article about Force Awakens being SJW is centered around (IIRC) the fact that Raye is a super-powered 'grrl-power' Mary Sue character (because vagina), and that Finn is a 'beta (male) orbiter' of Raye - i.e., he's basically useless, contributes nothing, and spends most of the story sniffing around Raye's skirts. They tie that in to wider concerns about the feminisation (SJW-isation) of Hollywood, and that's about it. They also mention JJ Abram's remark about casting with regards to race (the 'whitest room in history' or whatever it was).

I have to say that the charge of Raye being a Mary Sue (at least partially) is something I agree with - but NOT because of the reasons RoK bring up. She did seem to 'get' the Force unrealistically quickly, not to mention how she was suddenly so good with a lightsabre. I don't, however, think of Finn as 'beta' or useless - he's just someone that left everything he's based his life on, and is flailing around trying to find something else - 'course he's gonna be useless compared to people who know what they're doing.

Just thought that perhaps we should discuss the substance of the articles, rather than just fling shit around.

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

I have to admit, I was a little worried about Star Wars being arbitrarily progressive. But Force Awakens is definitely not a SJW movie. I was actually in disbelief at how nice Rey was. Feminist heroes are arrogant assholes. The whole first half of the movie I was waiting for Rey to start acting like an asshole, but she never did. She even saved a male characters life without being even the slightest bit of a gloating, arrogant ass about it. Also, I dont recall Finns race ever being mentioned. No whining about how "dark skin" is a burden in the first order. This is definitely not a SJW film.

 

[Something Amyss]

I have to admit, I was a little worried about Star Wars being arbitrarily progressive.

Did you watch any of the prior movies?

I was actually in disbelief at how nice Rey was. Feminist heroes are arrogant assholes.

Err...you just contradicted yourself.

Also, of course Star Wars is an SJW movie. "SJW" is a snarl word that means whatever you want it to. Therefore, pretty much anyone is justified in invoking the SJW bogeyman.

Do you know how you kill a vampire? Any way you want, because vampires aren't real.

-snip-

You said you weren't interested in discussing this and I agreed. I'm going to stick to that.