Right. We're all art critics now.

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IvoryTowerGamer

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Donnyp said:
OT: I agree. If this is what it came down to i would want no part of it. The second someone brought up games as art i would either tell them i don't care and to be quiet or i would leave the room.
Just OOC would you do the same if someone were having a similar discussion about film or literature? If not, why the double standard?
 

Macgyvercas

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ninonybox360 said:
Ghengis John said:
Well not all games are art. Much like the movies. Just because something can be art, doesn't mean that it by necessity, is. While some might argue that the qualifications are subjective, it's important to stay objective. Nobody would argue the Micheal Bay or Uwe Boll compendiums are art. In the same fashion, trying to defend every game with the art banner only serves to stretch the banner thin and weaken credibility.
This makes perfect sense, a gif for your post sir.
Any chance you can make a gif of Holo and Lawrence dancing (like from the season 2 opening)?

OT: I suppose now we'll have to ward off the art haters as well as the VG haters. I say, this should be an interesting show.
 

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Many have derided the popular Iphone game "Angry Birds" for being nothing but a paper thin wafer of a game resting solely on its gameplay mechanic.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The game tries to explain to us the process of how to get rid of dysfunctional thought schematics and mental problems rooted deeply in our subconcious. You could say the game takes us to the chair of the psychologist to experience the process from his view.

Mental issues are the cause of a traumatic experience that has occured in the past. In the game this is represented by the stealing of the birds eggs. The birds are the patient himself, while the slingshot is a metaphor for the psychologist-

You steer the slingshot to attempt to find the perfect angle and power that you should launch the birds to break through the walls and reach the pigs. Just like how the psycholohist has to steer the mind of the patient correctly, so that he may breach the walls of his inner psyche to get to and be able to snuff out the harmful blisters on his subconcious (the pigs).

Many works of art attempts to capture the broken side of the human subconcious, but none attempt to guide us in how to mend it. For daring to tread new grounds and help us by mirroring the mental healing process i give the video game "Angry Birds" 10 out of 10, it is a true work of art for the betterment of humanity.
 

The Good Doctor

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LittleBigPlanet is a statement on oppressive governments that control the lives the people that they preside over, manipulating the world around them and forcing their subjects to jump through false and unnecessary hoops (that are often on fire), while Sackboy represents the people, as they try to escape their harsh, repressive government, jumping through the hoops placed in their way, and running from giant fire-breathing robot dragons made of cloth and other craft materials.
By the way, the government in LBP also tells people what to wear. Alligator Suit Wednesday!
 

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FalloutJack said:
AdumbroDeus said:
FalloutJack said:
Games are art within the United States and now the supreme court has made a decision to constitutionally protect games in the same way as other media. Fabulous! Well, time to get to work then. Put on your monocles and follow me. If games are art, then we're the critics.

Now, give me a spoofy sort of artsy critique of a game of your choice, as silly or snobby as you like. You have that power, so let's see something funny.
Not everyone who watches movies is a movie critic...
Oh dear, you're not taking to the whole 'joke' premise, are you?



Rather.
No

I'm just annoyed cause it pokes fun at the idea that games are capable of having artistic merit, and wasn't even funny.


If people put half the effort they put into spewing these faux critiques into actually attempting to critique games then legitimate game criticism (as opposed to reviews) could actually be kicked off.
 

Bobby_D

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Ghengis John said:
Bobby_D said:
Ghengis John said:
Nobody would argue the Micheal Bay or Uwe Boll compendiums are art.
Really? I think the folks over at the Criterion Collection would disagree in Mr. Bay's case. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not art, and there's not a damn thing that's inherently bad about any of Uwe Boll's flicks...people just don't like them, don't THINK they're good...that doesn't mean that Uwe Boll doesn't have some rabid fan out there.
Having fans does not make something art, nor does the publisher selling your material. As for Uwe Boll's flicks... Nothing inherently bad? You have never actually watched one now have you? Be honest. BloodRayne is on netflix, go ahead. Check it out. I'll wait.

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Awful, no?

Unless you mean to tell me you've gotten your panties in a bunch because you're a fan? You used a four letter word no less. "Not a damn thing"? You really are upset aren't you? Not to be an asshole but that's hilarious. I'm certain Mr Boll does have at least one rabid fan though, himself. If you have never seen one you might want to check it out. Maybe you feel the need to defend him because you don't like to see anyone get dog piled, that's admirable but in this case, misguided.

There's plenty of art I don't like, Bobby. I refer you to post number 46 in this thread where I cite a few examples. That doesn't mean I refuse to acknowledge them as art. I imagine (though I could be wrong because I don't know you that well) you're simply upset because you think I've ragged on something you like. And while it's true that not liking something alone doesn't automatically disqualify it as art, conversely liking something alone does not make it art.

But you have won in any event. I bet nobody on earth would like the worst films on earth and here we have a defender for Uwe Boll. I applaud your spectacular bad taste.
Ladies and gentlemen, we see here a perfect example of a person who just craves your respect. Let us turn to exhibit one: "Not to be an asshole, but that's hilarious," which indicates that he wants to be liked so much that he won't say what he actually means. You may all note how quickly he turned to totally trolling me ("I applaud your spectacular bad taste," "You're simply upset because you think I've ragged on something you like,") while still maintaining a faux-polite demeanor.

Also note the inherent narcissism in claiming that Uwe Boll cannot be art because it is terrible. Who decides that it is not art? This man? This...Ghengis John? Puns aside, what makes him more qualified than you or I?

John...jokes aside, I can understand why you felt I was ragging on your post, but that wasn't my intention: I was trying to have a conversation and the wording I used was a bit brash, and for that I apologize. However, insinuating that I like Uwe Boll and therefore have bad taste (and your use of that to insult me, no less) was one of the trolliest things I've seen in my short time on these forums. My opinion is that art is in the eye of the beholder. Someone out there genuinely thinks Uwe Boll is a genius...with six billion people in the world, tell me you don't think so and really mean it. As for him being dogpiled, I have no problem with people saying he's bad, his movies suck, whatever...but saying his movies aren't art is just incorrect.

I assume that some misguided sense of internet pride will require you to get the last word in, so don't worry, I won't respond. I'm done having this conversation and plan to move on.
 

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Bioshock is a powerful deconstruction of the linear game narrative as well as a scathing critique of the philosophical works of Ayn Rand, all presented in a gloriously unique art-deco aesthetic.

And I'm not even kidding.
 

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Shadow of the Colossus

A critique of our unsustainable raping of the world's resources set in a haunting world overshadowed by the mournful spectre of death.

I'm half joking
 

FalloutJack

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AdumbroDeus said:
FalloutJack said:
AdumbroDeus said:
FalloutJack said:
Games are art within the United States and now the supreme court has made a decision to constitutionally protect games in the same way as other media. Fabulous! Well, time to get to work then. Put on your monocles and follow me. If games are art, then we're the critics.

Now, give me a spoofy sort of artsy critique of a game of your choice, as silly or snobby as you like. You have that power, so let's see something funny.
Not everyone who watches movies is a movie critic...
Oh dear, you're not taking to the whole 'joke' premise, are you?



Rather.
No

I'm just annoyed cause it pokes fun at the idea that games are capable of having artistic merit, and wasn't even funny.


If people put half the effort they put into spewing these faux critiques into actually attempting to critique games then legitimate game criticism (as opposed to reviews) could actually be kicked off.
Oh, don't be such a party-pooper. It's a forum, not the world council debate.
 

NinjaDeathSlap

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FIFA/Madden is a cleverly disguised, yet utterly brilliant piece of social art that offers an unflinching look at the downfall of society that (thanks to EA) we can now see happening before our very eyes. The unknowing components of this masterpiece (the different paints and brushes if you will, controlled dictatorially by the artist) are the millions of fans who willingly pay +£40/$60 on a yearly basis to pretend to play a sport rather then spending considerably less on a real ball and going outside to play with their friends.

Thank you EA. For you have shown us the error of our ways by using methods that transcend the limitations of what was previously art.
 

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LuckyClover95 said:
I think Fallout 3 represents what would happen if we had a nuclear war. Oh wait.... it did.
Personally, I think LittleBigPlanet, on a deep level, represents the Holocaust. Somehow.
I could see them making a 'The Day the Clown Cried' adaptation in LBP2.
"Everyone! Follow the nice Clown into the showers!"
oh jeez.
I blame Cracked.com for making me watch that film.
 

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Bobby_D said:
I assume that some misguided sense of internet pride will require you to get the last word in, so don't worry, I won't respond. I'm done having this conversation and plan to move on.
Well not to be hypocritical but this is me, saying that's not necessary. You were plenty respectful and reasonable, and you spotted my dealing from the bottom of my troll deck so that brought a smile to my face. I tip my hat to you, sir.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Tetris is the video game representation of the proletariat struggles against the bourgoisie regime. Each block is representative of a mass of people. As a line of blocks is connected, it is then removed, here showing the lines of people cut down by machine guns as they rushed towards the capital buildings, thereby proving that Tetris is the most depressing game ever created.

Or it could just be about shifting blocks.
This actually made me sad...
You, sir, could probably convince me to hate Star Wars is less than ten words