Right-Wing Extremists

[Xvito]

I don't get it!
Wouldn't crazy anarchists with guns always be a threat to the government.

 

[brazuca]

Extreme right-wing so it will be clear: fascist, nazi, falangist (in spain). All those people that follow with ideologies. So KKK is not necessarily extreme right wing, but they are douches anyaway.

 

[m_jim]

Apparently, Department of Homeland Security thinks that Right-wing Extremists will be a threat in the near-future... Most of the references to what exactly defines a said extremist are vague and generalized... I personally don't see this as a potential problem, though the bad economy can spark things of this nature, I doubt it will be solely be right-wing... Any thoughts?

See Hilter, 1930 to 1934-ish.

I'm going to call Godwin's Law here. Can we please lock this thread?

 

[thiosk]

i'm a sort of a right wing extremist in some ways, and im no bigot or racist. I'm packign up my work in the office today to head over to a teaparty rally though, which suggests im pretty extreme right these days.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Whew...They're keeping the heat off my back...
I'm not a threat!
Until my nuclear glove is ready...its a glove that creates a massive nuclear explosion with each punch, but the blast is only in one direction, to keep the user safe...

Taking anything to an extreme is bad. Except for gaming.

 

[TheEvilDuck]

They're a threat now. All extremists are. But if we're talking them trying to take down Obama or other politicians? It's something I'm afraid of every day.

 

[Nomad]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

Left wing = Group mind-set

Right wing = Individual mind-set

How the hell does making groups of people worth less than other groups be accredited with more power to the individual?

Authorarianism has nothing to do with political left or political right. It's what they would do with their authorarian powers that characterize them as left and right respectively. Racist groups, however, are right-winged by definition. Left-winged organizations are characterized by equal value, which isn't really a racist school of thought. Both the left and right wings have group mind-sets, it's just that for the left-wingers, it's all one huge group. For the right-wingers, it's several smaller groups. But in that one huge left-winger group, the idea is that everyone should be equal. The traditional right-wingers have the idea that some groups are inherently better than others.

In short;
Left wing = Equal value
Right wing = Social hierarchy

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

What exactly do you mean by "immigration policy"?
Because I'm quite sure that, whereas both sides agree that entering the country illegally is, well, illegal, the parties differ on how to deal with immigration. Democrats tend to favor giving immigrants better access to education, whereas Republicans take a harder line towards them.
EDIT: Also, on economics, Republicans favor spending lots of money with less taxes (also spending more money on defense), but Democrats spend lots of money with more taxes (spending more of the money on fair trade and education)

Move past the rhetoric and the action is all the same. Movements exist in both parties to provide amnesty and benefits to illegal immigrants. And their greatest proponents are George W. Bush and John McCain. I could name even nuttier Republicans *Lindsey Graham*. Also, neither party has assumed the responsibility of securing our borders. Complacency is therefore the policy of both. They say it is unattainable, but that is hogwash. If we had the will, we could bring illegal immigration to a trickle in a matter of months.

On economics, that sounds like a pretty paltry difference to me. And it's outdated, considering George W. Bush made huge increases in education spending and Obama claims he intends to cut taxes for most Americans. Bush, McCain, and Obama all introduced, or would have introduced, tax cuts and unprecedented spending. The differences between Republicans and Democrats are, in part, a ruse. It is all rhetoric. They fight for control and rage over peanuts, but there is little substantive difference between them that makes any difference to most Americans.

EDIT: Sorry for being so far off topic.

 

[Danzaivar]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

Left wing = Group mind-set

Right wing = Individual mind-set

How the hell does making groups of people worth less than other groups be accredited with more power to the individual?

Authorarianism has nothing to do with political left or political right. It's what they would do with their authorarian powers that characterize them as left and right respectively. Racist groups, however, are right-winged by definition. Left-winged organizations are characterized by equal value, which isn't really a racist school of thought. Both the left and right wings have group mind-sets, it's just that for the left-wingers, it's all one huge group. For the right-wingers, it's several smaller groups. But in that one huge left-winger group, the idea is that everyone should be equal. The traditional right-wingers have the idea that some groups are inherently better than others.

In short;
Left wing = Equal value
Right wing = Social hierarchy

Well if that's the logic they employ then fair enough, I've never thought of right wing as that sort of ideal, but it makes sense. It does slightly bastardize some other right-sided schools of thought tho.

 

[Gestapo Hunter]

Unless these people get voted into office which i dont see happening, there not alot to worry about

 

[Doug]

Apparently, Department of Homeland Security thinks that Right-wing Extremists will be a threat in the near-future... Most of the references to what exactly defines a said extremist are vague and generalized... I personally don't see this as a potential problem, though the bad economy can spark things of this nature, I doubt it will be solely be right-wing... Any thoughts?

See Hilter, 1930 to 1934-ish.

I'm going to call Godwin's Law here. Can we please lock this thread?

Erm, it is actually relevent in this thread.

 

[zlic]

Well they all want their own vision of the world violently enforced on others [that's why they're extremists]. So as I believe in non-violent ways to achieve things, they all suck from my POV.

 

[SmartIdiot]

I'd call Islamist extremism pretty right-wing, if by right-wing you mean authoritarian.

Hmm, yeah. I think in most cases of extremism, regardless of which particular wing or branch it claims to be coming from does veer to right wing in the end. Again, mostly because of the authoritarian/totalitarian attitude. That is by no means to suggest that Islam or any other religion is right-wing by default (which I am sure DannyBoy451 did not intend to insinuate) but extremists in any nature will gravitate towards what eventually ends up as heavily right-wing attitudes towards getting their point across.

 

[elricik]

I don't really understand what they're saying. I'm pretty left wing if were using labels because I have a brain and I like to listen to other people opinions beside my own. But isn't every extremist to a violent cause a threat? I can't really see a nazi party forming, but what if some of the tax protesters start to over turn cars. That's all I'm gonna say. Its not really a problem, I don't know why were talking about it now.

 

[Lisser]

Lol
I'm a lefty socialist, and I've been thinking about rebelling!!
So to the very first thread question. Obviously not.

 

[m_jim]

Apparently, Department of Homeland Security thinks that Right-wing Extremists will be a threat in the near-future... Most of the references to what exactly defines a said extremist are vague and generalized... I personally don't see this as a potential problem, though the bad economy can spark things of this nature, I doubt it will be solely be right-wing... Any thoughts?

See Hilter, 1930 to 1934-ish.

I'm going to call Godwin's Law here. Can we please lock this thread?

Erm, it is actually relevent in this thread.

My bad. I thought you were throwing the Hitler card on the DHS. I had to read the exchange a few more times before I realized that you were saying that Hitler's rise to power was due to the poor economic situation, similar to our current crisis. Still, when the 7th post in a thread starts comparing things to Hitler...

 

[TeaBaggin]

I wouldn't doubt it. Right-wing extremism is not tolerated nowadays, and that works for me. Outright racism, radical terrorism, and hate groups like the KKK are kicked to the curb by modern enlightened societies.

IMHO, the problem is that while right-wing extremism is treated as anathema, left-wing extremism is much more tolerated. I wish both sides' extremists were kicked to the curb; both are harmful...IMHO, once more.

Hey...just for fun...can anyone define "fascism"?

In a perfect world maybe, maybe.

Oh and, Facism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

AKA The media

 

[SeleneRose]

Why are all right wing extremists depicted as gun toating and bible weilding racists
..
I mean, theres plenty of other extremists.
Like, Mike rosen, newt gingrich, definately conservative extremists, but racists and guntoating biblewavers? Not so much

 

[Valiance]

It all works pretty well, except the media part. I doubt the entire free press could agree on anything, let alone a controversial shooting.

Government controls media though? ^^;

 

[MadMikey]

I wouldn't doubt it. Right-wing extremism is not tolerated nowadays, and that works for me. Outright racism, radical terrorism, and hate groups like the KKK are kicked to the curb by modern enlightened societies.

IMHO, the problem is that while right-wing extremism is treated as anathema, left-wing extremism is much more tolerated. I wish both sides' extremists were kicked to the curb; both are harmful...IMHO, once more.

Hey...just for fun...can anyone define "fascism"?

The big difference I see between the threat posed between right-wing and left-wing extremists is that left-wing extremists rarely threaten anyone who disagrees with them. Left-wing extremists will at their worst take away some of your liberties, while right-wing extremists have the nasty habit of wanting to exterminate those that disagree with them ala timothy mcveigh. Now I guess you'd have to consider the weather underground of the late 60's early 70's left-wing extremists, but they were really more like anarchists, but in any case I just don't see left-wing extremists as a real threat. I mean not unless the masses lose all common sense and start actually paying attention to what they say. Whereas all those gun wielding right-wing nutjobs make me want to go get a gun just to protect myself from them.

Sort of like the difference between an angry kitten (lefties) and a rabid pitbull (righties)...IMHO