LOL i sort of love how this is sort of backfiring. everyones like YA good on Robert Downey Jr for standing by his friend and whatnot. MEL? fuck that guy
Robert Downey Jr. asks us to forgive Mel Gibson
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I think you quoted the wrong guy.Arsen said:
And yes, while I don't throw that word around, I generally treat that word to have that definition. At least when I know the person speaking it doesn't hate people with darker skin for that reason alone.
EDIT: For the record, I don't believe that Mel was using it in the Chris Rock context. The guy is just filled with unchecked hate.
Mel has certainly said some ignorant stupid hateful things in public, but I will always respect the man for his great achievements. There are many many people with the same problems as him who really need help, it's just he is famous, and painting people like him the villain usually just makes things worse. He really had it coming though, to bad he truly doesn't understand that.
And I just want to say, Riggs is one of the best characters ever.
And I just want to say, Riggs is one of the best characters ever.
This isn't 'Robert Downey Jr.' doing Mel Gibson a solid from his upstanding position. Okay, it is, but that's not what makes his statement importnat.
Mel Gibson is currently going through a lot of very personal problems, and has a lot of personal demons he needs to clear up. No one is disputing this. The guy's a bit fucked up.
And RDJ knows what's that's like... because he DID lose his acting career because of his own personal problems with substance abuse and alcohol and literally got himself fired from sitcoms because he couldn't get his shit together. The guy was out-Charlie Sheening Charlie Sheen.
However, RDJ has cleaned himself up, and then he lifted himself up, and started a new acting career from the bottom back up again. Now, he's a big name once more, but he's not involved in the same shinanegans, and more importantly, we've forgiven and forgotten.
That's why it's meaningful for him to ask the same for Mel.
Mel Gibson is currently going through a lot of very personal problems, and has a lot of personal demons he needs to clear up. No one is disputing this. The guy's a bit fucked up.
And RDJ knows what's that's like... because he DID lose his acting career because of his own personal problems with substance abuse and alcohol and literally got himself fired from sitcoms because he couldn't get his shit together. The guy was out-Charlie Sheening Charlie Sheen.
However, RDJ has cleaned himself up, and then he lifted himself up, and started a new acting career from the bottom back up again. Now, he's a big name once more, but he's not involved in the same shinanegans, and more importantly, we've forgiven and forgotten.
That's why it's meaningful for him to ask the same for Mel.
While Polanski actions (for which hordes of people defend him for some reason) were obviously much worse than anything Gibson had said, I don't see why that means Gibson's statements should be ignored.Arsen said:
Couldn't agree with you more, and that I did. Dominar Rygel the 16th.Saltyk said:
The dominar is still alive and well on my photobucket.
Sad thing about these boards being so busy is that the second someone changes their avatar it's hard to remember who they were. I'm honored you remembered me man. Wish I could remember what we'd discussed though. My respect to you. And an extra Kudos for knowing Farscape.
I forgave him after Edge of Darkness.Saltyk said:
We all say the dumbest things even when we are sober, I don't think he'd any more bigoted than the average person he'd just gotten so high and so fucked in the head that he says precisely the OPPOSITE of what he knows he should.
And Mel is clearly a good artist. He is competent, creative and engaging.
After the shit that has been an excuse for the lineup of movies this year... by FUCK, does the movie need more people like him.
Think about this:
Michael Bay is making movies.
Mel Gibson hardly in the movie business at all...
Why... why aren't we boycotting Michael Bay?
If you can't forgive the man, at least forgive the actor. This isn't a fucking popularity contest, this isn't politics, this is business, this is Showbusiness.
Hmm.Arsen said:
I must have missed a couple major historical events if all Christians ever do is ask folks to love god and Jesus.
Blanket statements about any faith are likely to be inaccurate at best.
It's admirable and respectable That Downey is standing up for and sticking by a Friend. Loyalty is a good quality.
However Gibson still is a anger prone Racist (Who was also accused of abusing women) so forgive me if I still think Mel Gibson is an asshat (and not that good of an actor)
However Gibson still is a anger prone Racist (Who was also accused of abusing women) so forgive me if I still think Mel Gibson is an asshat (and not that good of an actor)
I am only too willing to forgive Mel Gibson, but I can't forgive him through Robert Downy Jr. Mel Gibson has to stand up, admit to his problems and seek forgiveness for himself.
I applaud Downy's actions, as I applaud Gibson's for reaching out to Downy in his time of need. But this isn't just about us forgiving him, its about him honestly asking for it.
I applaud Downy's actions, as I applaud Gibson's for reaching out to Downy in his time of need. But this isn't just about us forgiving him, its about him honestly asking for it.
I find it poetic that someone who portrays a drunken wastrel in the movies is defending a drunken wastrel in real life.
Something to keep in mind is that as an actor you are judged entirely in the court of public opinion. there should be no doubt that Robert Downy Jr. was very much sticking his neck out by doing this. Not only is he reminding the world of a past im sure he would like to forget, but he is defending a major pariah.
It seems easy to return a favor to someone when that favor is buying them lunch, or giving them a ride to work. A lot of actors would never consider taking even a 1% chance of jeopardizing their careers, regardless of the fact that their career was saved by the person theyre helping.
Most people are completely self centered. Iv met and associated with many people who's life I could have saved then later asked if I could have one of their beers and get turned down. Once its all done, theres no taking it back, and once youre past that point, people just dont care. they will forget everything youve done for them, and its just back to the show they are the main character of.
As far as Mel Gibson goes, I dont even care. Nothing is sacred to me. I see his recent actions as comedic fodder... low hanging fruit even. His bullshit is nothing worth wasting my time thinking about.
It seems easy to return a favor to someone when that favor is buying them lunch, or giving them a ride to work. A lot of actors would never consider taking even a 1% chance of jeopardizing their careers, regardless of the fact that their career was saved by the person theyre helping.
Most people are completely self centered. Iv met and associated with many people who's life I could have saved then later asked if I could have one of their beers and get turned down. Once its all done, theres no taking it back, and once youre past that point, people just dont care. they will forget everything youve done for them, and its just back to the show they are the main character of.
As far as Mel Gibson goes, I dont even care. Nothing is sacred to me. I see his recent actions as comedic fodder... low hanging fruit even. His bullshit is nothing worth wasting my time thinking about.
This is from (almost) a year ago? I wonder why it didn't hit my radar. Any who, RDJ has got a lot of class to stand up for a friend and take the subject on as he did. As for Mel I'm past all that jazz.
Mel Gibson is a phenomenal actor, in my opinion. He's not made the best choices in his personal life, that's for sure, but I can almost guarantee that all of us have made mistakes in our personal lives, not to mention all of the added stress of being a celebrity. Constantly being judged by society based on what the paparazzi can get their hands on? That would be a lot of pressure for anyone to live with, especially when all the public hears about for the most part is the bad decisions they make. I doubt most of the folks talking ill of him are saints themselves.
People make mistakes. Robert Downey Jr seems like a nice enough guy, and I doubt he would associate himself with someone that's just an arrogant ass. There must be something about Mel that he respects and deems worthy of forgiveness.
I'll admit that Mel hasn't painted the best picture of himself, but if he can prove that he's working to turn his life around, I won't hesitate to forgive him.
People make mistakes. Robert Downey Jr seems like a nice enough guy, and I doubt he would associate himself with someone that's just an arrogant ass. There must be something about Mel that he respects and deems worthy of forgiveness.
I'll admit that Mel hasn't painted the best picture of himself, but if he can prove that he's working to turn his life around, I won't hesitate to forgive him.
This. I can applaud RDJ for defending someone who helped him when he was down, but when RDJ was down he didn't do anything as spiteful, hateful or evil as anything Mel Gibson has done. As vile as Gibson's actions have been I would be perfectly willing to forgive and consider seeing one of his movies if he gave any sign of having changed his ways. Alcohol is not a valid defence for asshats like Gibson, it relaxes inhibitions, it does not completely change their personality.SnakeoilSage said:
And trying to say its ok that he's a horrible example of humanity is fine because either he's done you no harm or he's made some ok movies is ridiculous, that'd be like saying it'd be cool if Bull Murray was a mass-murdering psycopath cause he's a Legend of comedy films
That is very honorable of Downey, but I don't intend on forgiving Gibson. He's an asshat and has been for a very long time. Sorry, Downey. No dice.