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Then why should any of us be bothered to read your shit if you're too lazy to vet your sources?
Just accept it's a lot easier to scan a source and assume it agrees with you, and everything will be hunky-dory!
 

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Plain fact is that most people don't think it's immoral or don't care enough to have an opinion.

Don't be lecturing us on Echo Chambers when your own facts don't survive the studies you claim prove them
Then why should any of us be bothered to read your shit if you're too lazy to vet your sources?
Just accept it's a lot easier to scan a source and assume it agrees with you, and everything will be hunky-dory!
The number I posted was correct. There isn't even a simple majority.

See also: Republican Covid response
Democratic response has harmed more life than republican response, and it's not even fucking close. Talk about echo chambers...
 

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The number I posted was correct. There isn't even a simple majority.
The same is true of your position. According to the data from Gallup, you trail us by a percentage point. What's your fucking point?
 
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Doesn't a 'majority' equal whatever is the largest portion, not whether it breaks 50.1 percent? 30 percent is the majority if there are other positions that have less than that.
 

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Doesn't a 'majority' equal whatever is the largest portion, not whether it breaks 50.1 percent? 30 percent is the majority if there are other positions that have less than that.
Technically, I think that would be a plurality. A majority has to be over 50%.

edit: Seems to just depend on the context *shrug*
 
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Prove it.

Y'See, it's the Democrats' fault that Republicans are acting like lobotomized idiots regarding Covid.

Because Democrats had the gal to point to smart people and tell them that they ( the republicans ) should listen to their advice, and you know, just like a recalcitrant toddler, you just can't tell a republican what to do. Y'See, Republicans want to be treated like aDuLtS, they are wearing their big boy pants and can think for themselves, no one tells them what to do.
 
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Technically, I think that would be a plurality. A majority has to be over 50%.

edit: Seems to just depend on the context *shrug*
No, that's true. The largest portion if under 50% is a plurality. However, abstentions / don't knows are a tricky issue and as you say dependent on context. There is a case to be made to simply remove abstentions from the figures, for instance.

Also, there are important considerations for how the issue is expressed. So, let's say the claim is "most people think abortion is immoral" and the numbers are that 45% think it is immoral and 55% don't know. Whilst you would have to argue that the balance of opinion in the country is very strongly weighted against abortion, the claim as expressed is technically wrong.
 

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Y'See, it's the Democrats' fault that Republicans are acting like lobotomized idiots regarding Covid.

Because Democrats had the gal to point to smart people and tell them that they ( the republicans ) should listen to their advice, and you know, just like a recalcitrant toddler, you just can't tell a republican what to do. Y'See, Republicans want to be treated like aDuLtS, they are wearing their big boy pants and can think for themselves, no one tells them what to do.
Republicans are killing off their base, that’s the terrible irony. Instead of fighting things that saves lives they should help promote it to help end this pandemic.

I hate the politicization of this pandemic. It drives me nuts!
 
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Republicans are killing off their base, that’s the terrible irony. Instead of fighting things that saves lives they should help promote it to help end this pandemic.
Republicans don't care about the lives of their political enemies. They don't care about the lives of their political allies. All they care about is power, and politicizing the pandemic was just a means to that end.
 

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Democratic response has harmed more life than republican response, and it's not even fucking close. Talk about echo chambers...
Democrats suggests getting a vaccine and masking up
Republicans say the opposite
So, no

If you are talking about putting Covid patients into nursing home, I cant believe Cuomo wasn't given the boot over that. I would agree that some specific policies were worse. But overall, no.

Just note, I think, if Trump hadn't been the previous president, Biden would be hauled across the coals. (In fact, I don't think Biden would be president at all if it wasnt for Trump.) But, the bar for president is so low now that even this shitshow can be seen as good (at least relatively.)
 

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Democrats suggests getting a vaccine and masking up
Republicans say the opposite
So, no

If you are talking about putting Covid patients into nursing home, I cant believe Cuomo wasn't given the boot over that. I would agree that some specific policies were worse. But overall, no.

Just note, I think, if Trump hadn't been the previous president, Biden would be hauled across the coals. (In fact, I don't think Biden would be president at all if it wasnt for Trump.) But, the bar for president is so low now that even this shitshow can be seen as good (at least relatively.)
Phoenix counts theoretical lost economic dollars as guessed at by particularly hack economists as "life", hence deliberate actions that cause short term economic harm and, with no mitigation, might cause longer lasting lifetime damage is tantamount to manslaughter
 
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Republicans are killing off their base, that’s the terrible irony. Instead of fighting things that saves lives they should help promote it to help end this pandemic.

I hate the politicization of this pandemic. It drives me nuts!
The exact same thing happened during the Spanish Flu. Marches against mandates and lockdowns. Anger at people wearing masks. Blaming of foreigners. Complete disregard for public health

It's always political.
 

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The same is true of your position. According to the data from Gallup, you trail us by a percentage point. What's your fucking point?
That's it's not some kooky religious belief that people hang onto because they were told in church it's bad, which AGAIN is what I responded to.


Doesn't a 'majority' equal whatever is the largest portion, not whether it breaks 50.1 percent? 30 percent is the majority if there are other positions that have less than that.
If there's only 2 positions, 50.1% is a simple majority. Sure, if there's 4 options, then 30% can be a majority.


Prove it.

1) You're missing the point of the harm that covid policies have done that were put into place by the democrats. That was my main point. Find a cost-benefit analysis of saying lockdowns or keeping schools closed actually caused less life lost. Nobody has yet to produce proof showing an analysis that says that. The "nicest" cost-benefit analysis I've seen for lockdowns showed that they produced 100x the harm than if you didn't lock down.

2) That article's stats are since May 2021 so it's data taken from only a specific time instead of the whole pandemic. I wouldn't be surprised if in a post-vaccine covid pandemic, that the highest death rates are in places where vaccinations are lower (which is mainly red states). However, what actual policies that republicans put forth have caused less vaccinations and what democratic policies have been enacted that caused more vaccinations? Merely being against a mandate isn't something that will sway people from getting a vaccine nor have the democrats put forth a successful mandate yet either. So it's not like you got red states not mandating vaccines and blue states mandating vaccines so there's no actual policy causing the differing numbers. I'm pretty sure in red states vaccines are just as available as blue states (correct me if I'm wrong) so again no policy in place causing differing numbers. Also, that selected period coincides with the seasonal uptick in covid cases in the south while now is the seasonal uptick in the north; at least compare death rates over a fair period of time (like wait for the northern uptick to dissipate and then compare to the southern uptick). Look at the current CNN covid tracker now. If you were just to look at it now seeing all the red in the midwest to the northeast, you'd say the republicans got covid under control and the democrats are fucking it up. But this all down to the seasonality of the covid spread in different areas of the country vs one side doing better than the other side. Just like when Florida got hit in the summer and people were blaming republicans for the covid spread; if you're gonna say that, then you gotta say democrats are fucking up now. But again, nobody is necessarily fucking up because humans thinking they have some major control over a force of nature is pure hubris.

Vaccines are basically the end-game (to severe disease and death) and that's something everyone does agree on. So you have to go back to democrat and republican policy pre-vaccine and prove to me democrat policies saved more lives when policy could actually have an impact. Because now it's just vaccinations that should be determinant of death rates. The problem isn't policy but the fact that everyone makes logical decisions political like Trump wanted to open schools but the left had to be against that (even though it didn't make sense) just because Trump said the opposite and Trump can't be right about anything. Vaccines have become political for no reason as well and it's the republican citizens hurting because they must do the opposite of what Biden wants. So it's not about policy but just doing the opposite of what the other team does because the other team can never be right.
 

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That's it's not some kooky religious belief that people hang onto because they were told in church it's bad, which AGAIN is what I responded to.
But your stat doesn't prove that at all.

All your stat said was "The share of Americans in Gallup’s poll who say abortion is morally acceptable reached a record high of 47%" which you have inferred to mean that 53% think it is morally unacceptable. This sentence by itself doesn't include any statistics of the participant's religious affiliation or lack thereof.

65% of the adult population are Christians (or were in 2019 which is what I'm pulling this info from), which means that in theory every single person who says that abortion is not morally acceptable could be a Christian, meaning it is entirely possible that the position that abortion is morally unacceptable would be a kooky religious belief.
 

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Republicans don't care about the lives of their political enemies. They don't care about the lives of their political allies. All they care about is power, and politicizing the pandemic was just a means to that end.
Yes, which also happened with Democrats pushing scepticism over the safety of the Vaccine in 2020 and before that the lack of a need to take precautions early on because that would be racist and shutting down flights from other countries would be racist and not going to whatever festivals in "The Asian sector" of town would be racist especially if you wore a mask because it would show you thought they weren't clean or were infectious just because they looked asian.

Hell you know what's probably done more damage?
The whole "Wear a mask like us" stuff when it keeps turning out they don't keep to it and will happily break the rules themselves or putting masks on just for photos.

You know what doesn't help the narrative of "The elites are laughing at you in secret while they don't follow the rules at all" ? Elites not following the rules then pretending to be for the camera
 

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Yes, which also happened with Democrats pushing scepticism over the safety of the Vaccine in 2020 and before that the lack of a need to take precautions early on because that would be racist and shutting down flights from other countries would be racist and not going to whatever festivals in "The Asian sector" of town would be racist especially if you wore a mask because it would show you thought they weren't clean or were infectious just because they looked asian.

Hell you know what's probably done more damage?
The whole "Wear a mask like us" stuff when it keeps turning out they don't keep to it and will happily break the rules themselves or putting masks on just for photos.

You know what doesn't help the narrative of "The elites are laughing at you in secret while they don't follow the rules at all" ? Elites not following the rules then pretending to be for the camera
At least they change their tune according to evidence.
pre-data - "Trump is a weasel and we don't trust him not to corrupt the whole process of the vaccine development". After data - "okay looks good he didn't stick his shit-stained fingers in it let's go everyone".
Republicans - "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
 

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At least they change their tune according to evidence.
pre-data - "Trump is a weasel and we don't trust him not to corrupt the whole process of the vaccine development". After data - "okay looks good he didn't stick his shit-stained fingers in it let's go everyone".
Republicans - "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
Except the ones who changed their tune literally the day after inauguration day before the vaccine was approved and the data out lol.