Rush Limbaugh (Oh, I hope this thread survives its 1st page)
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As a hard-right Republican, I can truly say it was a mistake to give the guy a large public forum to speak. Rush uses the veil of the right to push his own agenda, status, and listeners. That being said, a lot of people actually agree with him on everything he says, and that is a scary thing, and not a path any reasonable Republican wants to go down.
I like your style, Steve. It's refreshing. And I will concede that Rush does engage in ad hominem. I will also concede that a large part of his job is entertainment. When he's preaching to the choir, funny jabs at our opponents increase the entertainment value. Now I was only 10 during the Monica Lewinsky mess, so I can't remember how or if he went overboard there.Anton P. Nym said:
But, I've listened to many radio hosts, and I find Rush to be far more substantive than average. A good example is Laura Ingraham. Though I agree with her on every issue, I can't stand listening to her waste so much time with petty ad hominem attacks while she could be spending that time talking about the underlying philosophy and ideology behind the issues. I don't get the same feeling from Rush.
He is also an incredibly more gracious host than most. If a caller has waited patiently for a long time, he thanks them for their patience and gives them plenty of time to express their point. If a liberal calls in, he listens to the point and rarely if ever shouts them off the air as some other conservative hosts do. Sometimes, if he can't give a caller adequate time to express their point, he'll even take their number and call them on the next day's program.
My point is that Rush has real substance, and I believe that it significantly outweighs the petty jabs for pure entertainment's sake.
Now this is very interesting. As a self-described "hard-right Republican" (I would call myself the same), I'd like to hear some major issues with which you disagree with Rush.chronobreak said:
Awesome! Check out the youtube link I posted in post #60 for the quintessential Rush experience.Cerebreus said:
i used to listen to Rush, especialy back in the 90s when he was on TV. i found alot of what he said was right from a common sence point of view. then i got some experiacne with the real world and relized hes just full of shit, one more bag of gas spewing one size fits all soultions to complex problems.
it REALLY became obvious to me that republicans pretty much suck. the feasco of clintons years is now a seriously fond memory for me after the utter disaster of GW Bush. I WISH for the good old days of Ken Star, and white house blow jobs. back then with every republican and their sister trumpeting how clinton should be impeached, IMPEACHED , like for real. put on trial in the United States Senate because he lied over a blow job, but Bush and too many other republicans to name literaly get away with murder.
Rush makes his living talking about what the 'right' thing to do is. as long as Rush is scoring drugs in a parking lot (or putting his maid up to do it for him) than i need him as a moral authority and a voice of whats 'right' and whats 'wrong' like i need an infection in my pecker.
two things are very clear to me about Rush, his personel stances on right and wrong are meaningless, hes proven that what he SAYS is right he doesnt actualy apply to himself. that makes him just another gasbag hypocrit. the second point is the Republican brand he spews all his blather about, take about 20 fucking seconds to watch a new show to see just waht 8 years of republican 'leadership' and policys have gotten us as a nation.
he talks a good game, but the proof as my grandpappy used to say is in the pudding. American is a disaster at the moment and that can be laid at the feet of republicans. you can argue all day long about policy, but the real world effects of republican policys are all around us. at this point ive gone beyond even finding him funny anymore. hes now reached the realm where him and his republican brand are just annoying,just one MORE problem for America that we need to find a fix for. as luck would have it though the fix for republicans is simple and with the drubbing they are taking in elections from coast to coast im just happy to see most Americans are finaly becomeing united over what IS 'right' and what is 'wrong'
poor Rush though has gotten the union of Americans hes allways calling for, unfortunate for him that Unions is against the very shit hes FOR and the more he spews and the more Republican leaders bow to him, the worse its going to get.
we tryed it their way, for 8 years we has republicans in the driver seat in full controll of every major American policy, from forign relations all the way down to medical research, with the prime focus on tax breaks and support of Business and industry beyond all reasonable or rationel measure.
look at us now.
let him talk, at this point hes just like a yapping dog that you kick off your leg and keep walking, if he chases you you kick him for real and thats an end to it. we as Americans have bigger and better and more importiant things to do with our time at the moment, what with the need to somehow get ourselves out of this hole we are in, than to listen to the mouth piece of the very people that got us into this shit storm in the first place continue his yammering.
it REALLY became obvious to me that republicans pretty much suck. the feasco of clintons years is now a seriously fond memory for me after the utter disaster of GW Bush. I WISH for the good old days of Ken Star, and white house blow jobs. back then with every republican and their sister trumpeting how clinton should be impeached, IMPEACHED , like for real. put on trial in the United States Senate because he lied over a blow job, but Bush and too many other republicans to name literaly get away with murder.
Rush makes his living talking about what the 'right' thing to do is. as long as Rush is scoring drugs in a parking lot (or putting his maid up to do it for him) than i need him as a moral authority and a voice of whats 'right' and whats 'wrong' like i need an infection in my pecker.
two things are very clear to me about Rush, his personel stances on right and wrong are meaningless, hes proven that what he SAYS is right he doesnt actualy apply to himself. that makes him just another gasbag hypocrit. the second point is the Republican brand he spews all his blather about, take about 20 fucking seconds to watch a new show to see just waht 8 years of republican 'leadership' and policys have gotten us as a nation.
he talks a good game, but the proof as my grandpappy used to say is in the pudding. American is a disaster at the moment and that can be laid at the feet of republicans. you can argue all day long about policy, but the real world effects of republican policys are all around us. at this point ive gone beyond even finding him funny anymore. hes now reached the realm where him and his republican brand are just annoying,just one MORE problem for America that we need to find a fix for. as luck would have it though the fix for republicans is simple and with the drubbing they are taking in elections from coast to coast im just happy to see most Americans are finaly becomeing united over what IS 'right' and what is 'wrong'
poor Rush though has gotten the union of Americans hes allways calling for, unfortunate for him that Unions is against the very shit hes FOR and the more he spews and the more Republican leaders bow to him, the worse its going to get.
we tryed it their way, for 8 years we has republicans in the driver seat in full controll of every major American policy, from forign relations all the way down to medical research, with the prime focus on tax breaks and support of Business and industry beyond all reasonable or rationel measure.
look at us now.
let him talk, at this point hes just like a yapping dog that you kick off your leg and keep walking, if he chases you you kick him for real and thats an end to it. we as Americans have bigger and better and more importiant things to do with our time at the moment, what with the need to somehow get ourselves out of this hole we are in, than to listen to the mouth piece of the very people that got us into this shit storm in the first place continue his yammering.
In many of the earlier poster's defense, the question is why one would hate Rush. An answer like "He's fat," while lacking legitimacy, is quite clearly a reason. An even better one is that he is egotistical, arrogant, and often quite disrespectful to others who have a legitimate point simply to entertain his fans. But I think the OP desires a deeper explanation than that.
Nor do I think that the best explanation is that most people disagree with Rush. While this may be statistically true, (I refer you to Larry Bartels) simply because he has rather radical points doesn't justify people disliking him. Nor does the fact he is a conservative necessarily entail hate; to hate that political alignment blindly would involve hating American leaders from Jefferson to Reagan.
There is nothing wrong with being conservative or liberal, as long as that view is constructive to the betterment of society. Hibbing and Theiss-Morse point out in "Stealth Democracy" that the majority of Americans are truly concerned with the process through which government acts rather than policy outcomes. Quite simply, people want good government far more than they want big or small government. And Rush blatantly throws himself against this fact by consistently arguing for a series of policy outcomes that he believes are superior while injecting controversy, disrespect, and fear into a society that doesn't want any of those things. Yes, disagreements are one of the prime qualities of democracy, but these disagreements have to be handled with civility of Webster and Calhoun (An example with it's own challenges, to be sure, but go with me) rather than the arrogance and hate that underlie both a Limbaugh and an Oberman.
So you want to know why I dislike Rush? Because he has been on the air, talking to 20 million people for 20 years and not a damn thing has gotten better. If he wants to change this world for the better, then he should stop talking about it and actually do whats necessary to make this place better. Instead, he and all of the radicals on both sides of the aisle seem inextricably attracted to the idea that government should fail before we (To quote Justin Timberlake) swallow that pill called pride.
A couple quick notes:
First, I apologize that my post involves what are most likely unread and recognized books, but I have the feeling the OP wanted a marginally educated response. I hope I at least fulfilled "marginal."
Second, I of course realize that Rush does not want the government or Obama to fail. He simply want's Obama's so-called liberal reforms (Like taxing the richest of us, who are far richer in relation to the rest of the society than they were 50 years ago) to fail. Of course he does, hes invested his career on the simple idea that hes right and liberals are wrong. If liberals end up being right, Rush is pretty well...use your own expletive and body part. But Rush should know better than to say something like "I want the President to fail." Consider what would have happened if a Rachel Maddow had said the same in 2002 when our President decided the unilateral invasion of the Islamic world was the best course for our foreign policy. Rush knows its inflammatory and he said it because it was. How could you like that when millions of Americans are hoping that Congress will stop bickering and actually help us?
Nor do I think that the best explanation is that most people disagree with Rush. While this may be statistically true, (I refer you to Larry Bartels) simply because he has rather radical points doesn't justify people disliking him. Nor does the fact he is a conservative necessarily entail hate; to hate that political alignment blindly would involve hating American leaders from Jefferson to Reagan.
There is nothing wrong with being conservative or liberal, as long as that view is constructive to the betterment of society. Hibbing and Theiss-Morse point out in "Stealth Democracy" that the majority of Americans are truly concerned with the process through which government acts rather than policy outcomes. Quite simply, people want good government far more than they want big or small government. And Rush blatantly throws himself against this fact by consistently arguing for a series of policy outcomes that he believes are superior while injecting controversy, disrespect, and fear into a society that doesn't want any of those things. Yes, disagreements are one of the prime qualities of democracy, but these disagreements have to be handled with civility of Webster and Calhoun (An example with it's own challenges, to be sure, but go with me) rather than the arrogance and hate that underlie both a Limbaugh and an Oberman.
So you want to know why I dislike Rush? Because he has been on the air, talking to 20 million people for 20 years and not a damn thing has gotten better. If he wants to change this world for the better, then he should stop talking about it and actually do whats necessary to make this place better. Instead, he and all of the radicals on both sides of the aisle seem inextricably attracted to the idea that government should fail before we (To quote Justin Timberlake) swallow that pill called pride.
A couple quick notes:
First, I apologize that my post involves what are most likely unread and recognized books, but I have the feeling the OP wanted a marginally educated response. I hope I at least fulfilled "marginal."
Second, I of course realize that Rush does not want the government or Obama to fail. He simply want's Obama's so-called liberal reforms (Like taxing the richest of us, who are far richer in relation to the rest of the society than they were 50 years ago) to fail. Of course he does, hes invested his career on the simple idea that hes right and liberals are wrong. If liberals end up being right, Rush is pretty well...use your own expletive and body part. But Rush should know better than to say something like "I want the President to fail." Consider what would have happened if a Rachel Maddow had said the same in 2002 when our President decided the unilateral invasion of the Islamic world was the best course for our foreign policy. Rush knows its inflammatory and he said it because it was. How could you like that when millions of Americans are hoping that Congress will stop bickering and actually help us?
Politics makes my head hurt, so no thanks, im not even gonna touch this one. /troll
No but seriously, i dont really see the point of discussing politics with other people, i mean just about everyone already knows what/who they want to vote for, and i kinda doubt a forum thread is going to change anyone's mind.
No but seriously, i dont really see the point of discussing politics with other people, i mean just about everyone already knows what/who they want to vote for, and i kinda doubt a forum thread is going to change anyone's mind.
RUSH LIMBAUGH IS AN ACT. He's a radio personality just like Howard Stern, Paul Harvey oe Michael Savage. He appeals to and sells his personae to an audience. That is all there is to say about Rush.
He says the things he does because he knows it gets him attention. I wish people would realize this about entertainers like him.
The real danger is that anyone takes anything any of them say seriously.
He says the things he does because he knows it gets him attention. I wish people would realize this about entertainers like him.
The real danger is that anyone takes anything any of them say seriously.
heh this tickled me, did you or didnt you see the ironey in making this statment of yours in a thread about a man who makes living trying to get (getting) 20 million people to agree with him about politics?Fronken said:
the asshat actualy makes his living and is the 'power behind the throne' of one of only two political partys (that matter anyhow) in the most importiant and powerful nation on earth. hes reached rightly or wrongly a level of 'power' that most here would only dream about (or dread depending on your point of view) by doing the very thing you dont see the point of.
im not making fun of you either, seriously. it just stuck me as funny anyhow. plus im a little bit drunk. to make a post about how talking about politcs has no point when we are talking about a guy who makes his living ......... talking about politics.
I have this thing about conservatives or people who hold conservative values but I'll get into that only if someone asks me. Rush is a jerk. I mean, by saying that he wished Obama to fail is like saying he wants America to fail.
If Rush is the Republican party leader, then we're entering a new age of darkness in American politics. That is significant considering our history as well. Or maybe more moderate Republicans will see what an ass he is and he'll lose support.
That having been said, I'd like to see him run for office. I'd like to see him solve some problems rather than bitching about them. Y'know, see if he's more than just a fat, racist, drug addict with a radio show.
If Rush is the Republican party leader, then we're entering a new age of darkness in American politics. That is significant considering our history as well. Or maybe more moderate Republicans will see what an ass he is and he'll lose support.
That having been said, I'd like to see him run for office. I'd like to see him solve some problems rather than bitching about them. Y'know, see if he's more than just a fat, racist, drug addict with a radio show.
I dunno, I think he's pretty funny. Thankfully, I try to not affiliate myself with either party in its current form. I'm a registered Republican, but that's because I -mostly- believe in what the party is SUPPOSED to believe in. ie: not Bush's interpretation...;/
But to be honest, I think party systems are fucking stupid, and calling that guy a leader is only a sure-fire way to never get another republican in office.
But to be honest, I think party systems are fucking stupid, and calling that guy a leader is only a sure-fire way to never get another republican in office.
My dislike of Rush is simple. You can disagree with the politics, priorities, or competence of your opponents. You can point out their sins if it affects their credibility.
But why would a grown man go on national television, and call a 13 year old girl (Chelsea Clinton) the White House dog?
Did that make America the kind of place he wanted? ("Young lady, put on that makeup. We don't want to look like Chelsea, do we?")
Score him points with Congress? ( "Boy , Rush sure stood up to Chelsea, huh?")
Was it a private joke between him and a few million viewers? ("Aw, c'mon. She'll never hear about it!")
It was pointlessly cruel, and that type of man should never be trusted.
But why would a grown man go on national television, and call a 13 year old girl (Chelsea Clinton) the White House dog?
Did that make America the kind of place he wanted? ("Young lady, put on that makeup. We don't want to look like Chelsea, do we?")
Score him points with Congress? ( "Boy , Rush sure stood up to Chelsea, huh?")
Was it a private joke between him and a few million viewers? ("Aw, c'mon. She'll never hear about it!")
It was pointlessly cruel, and that type of man should never be trusted.
I listen to him because I enjoy hearing what the enemy is saying. Rush Limbaugh is SO far to the right that you'd need a crane to get him back on the chart. I tend not to actually listen to the things he says lest I become filled with bile and have to kick a puppy or something, but occasionally my bullshit detector will go off hardcore and I'll actually call in to the station. I've only been put on the air once, and he immediately and completely dismissed my argument, which everyone I talked to, even right-wing Conservatives, thought was valid. I forget what it was about; this was a few years ago now.
Anyway, I respect that his opinions are valid too, and I know that Liberal radio personalities do this, but the amount of propaganda in his daily shows makes me want to vomit. If we had a radio personality like Three Dog, "delivering us the truth, no matter how bad it hurts," then I'd listen to that instead. As it stands, I try to listen to both sides equally to balance out the bullshit.
Anyway, I respect that his opinions are valid too, and I know that Liberal radio personalities do this, but the amount of propaganda in his daily shows makes me want to vomit. If we had a radio personality like Three Dog, "delivering us the truth, no matter how bad it hurts," then I'd listen to that instead. As it stands, I try to listen to both sides equally to balance out the bullshit.
I love you.oliveira8 said:
But, yeah, Rush shouldn't be the leader of the republican party. Why? He ain't a real Republican. He believes in less big government a little less than I believe in the Bleep Fairy.
He's not the leader, but he is the loudest voice. And what he speaks is the gospel truth for a lot of self-styled "conservatives". That faux-populist message he champions is ridiculous. What he preaches isn't best for all Americans, it's not even best for all Republicans.
You're sitting in a mansion, don't feed me bullshit about how lowering YOUR taxes is what's best for ME. Don't talk that shit about how helping the corrupted businesses that already burned all their money is gonna help me in the long run. I'm all for helping my fellow man who may have fallen behind on his or her mortgage, because they didn't choose to have their interest rates increased or the value of their home depreciate overnight.
I have family that hadn't been lucky enough to succeed on their own, so they spent some time on welfare. Were they "lazy moochers suckling off society's teat"? Is increasing taxes on them or cutting programs to help them going to help me when they can't even afford to stay in a rent-controlled apartment anymore?
I'm just waiting to see if he'll ever put his money where his mouth is and actually run for a public office and DO some of the crap he so fondly criticizes others for. But then again I'm also waiting to see if Ann Coulter will ever admit she's a post-op. So I guess it'll be a while.
Long story short, fuck him.
You're sitting in a mansion, don't feed me bullshit about how lowering YOUR taxes is what's best for ME. Don't talk that shit about how helping the corrupted businesses that already burned all their money is gonna help me in the long run. I'm all for helping my fellow man who may have fallen behind on his or her mortgage, because they didn't choose to have their interest rates increased or the value of their home depreciate overnight.
I have family that hadn't been lucky enough to succeed on their own, so they spent some time on welfare. Were they "lazy moochers suckling off society's teat"? Is increasing taxes on them or cutting programs to help them going to help me when they can't even afford to stay in a rent-controlled apartment anymore?
I'm just waiting to see if he'll ever put his money where his mouth is and actually run for a public office and DO some of the crap he so fondly criticizes others for. But then again I'm also waiting to see if Ann Coulter will ever admit she's a post-op. So I guess it'll be a while.
Long story short, fuck him.
America has never functioned with a multi-party system. It's always been 2 big parties witha couple of fringe groups which basically identify eith one party or the other. Besides, I really don't want to have to find a new party... Although I could revive the whigs ot ant-federalists...black lincon said:
I pointed it out earlier that I mis-spoke but I'll repeat the gist, it will take a very long time and the dems will be pissed because with the republicans gone they run the show. they can change the law to allow coalitions like in British parliament you know, and they may have to if one party doesn't get a 50% vote.Haliwali said: