Saints Row dev: "Xbox 720 used game ban would be fantastic."

[kasperbbs]

If they do this, then they they should at least drop the prices by 5 - 10 dollars, thats the only way i can think of that wouldn't completely piss off the people who used to buy used games. I myself havent owned a console since PSone, but damn how i loved the option to try out games for a low price that i wouldn't have ever bought new, or to just trade in 2 of my old games for another.

 

[Martijn Nijkeuter]

It's because you cant patch an extortionist killswitch into a car, dumbass.
Your car analogy is so horrifyingly flawed I hope nobody here was actually convinced by it.

Retina scans and dna scans say hello, though i must admit i got no idea how hard it is to implement nor how expensive.

but they can pull it off on cars if they wanted to, and if it was economically viable.

 

[everythingbeeps]

Dont you just love the fact that in about ten years time the children of tomorrow will have to say yeah i remember those games, i wish i could play them again but its impossible as there are no new copy's available and my old copys broken. Thats the kind of future of gaming they will create with this, you may see a few re releases of some games but that's it.

I highly doubt this is going to be done.

It's all but assured that every game that comes out for the X720 will be available digitally as well. So no, you aren't going to see a scenario where "there are no new copies available". In ten years, digital distribution will be a reality for all new games, and likely a great many more old games.

 

[Denamic]

Piracy is bad, so let's push people towards piracy with incredibly restrictive DRM that only affects legitimate customers.
Used games are also bad, so let's push people towards piracy by punishing the used game market.

The video game market is fucking retarded.

 

[everythingbeeps]

If they do this, then they they should at least drop the prices by 5 - 10 dollars, thats the only way i can think of that wouldn't completely piss off the people who used to buy used games. I myself havent owned a console since PSone, but damn how i loved the option to try out games for a low price that i wouldn't have ever bought new, or to just trade in 2 of my old games for another.

But don't you see? Used game buyers are already a non-entity to them. You don't provide any of their income, therefore they can happily ignore everything you say.

And of course they won't drop the prices, you know why? Because they won't have to.

 

[everythingbeeps]

Piracy is bad, so let's push people towards piracy with incredibly restrictive DRM that only affects legitimate customers.
Used games are also bad, so let's push people towards piracy by punishing the used game market.

The video game market is fucking retarded.

And when the government continues to push increasingly aggressive anti-piracy measures because you were too cheap to just pay for a goddamn video game, you'll have nobody but yourself to blame.

Nobody's getting "pushed" to piracy. If you pirate, it's because you have an inflated sense of entitlement and think you deserve shit for free.

 

[TheVoodooFrog]

Actually this Dev is kind of right in hating used games.

Because after playing what I consider to be the awful "Saints Row the Third" I returned it to the store after a day.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Saints Row 3 devs. Oh, right. Those guys who are releasing new DLC every week? What do you care about used games? You're nickel and diming consumers as it is, assholes.

Goddamn it. As soon as the whole industry has the reform it so desperately needs maybe developers will understand that disrespecting any of their customers base is fucking disgusting. Not to mention stupid. They're shooting themselves in the foot with this. So, so much.

The whole point of having consoles is that you have a game on a disc, that is yours, and that game works the same on any console you play it on. That's the only thing that differentiates PC and console gaming. It's not the TV gaming, or the controller gaming. PC does that. It's the ease of use and openness of the games. By destroying used games (and, effectively, borrowed games, rented games, all that), you are turning your console into a shitty PC. Everything console gaming has to offer over PC gaming - ease of use - disappears almost immediately. If it's true, and anti-used games measures are indeed in place, the next generation of consoles will be the most short-lived of all.

 

[kasperbbs]

If they do this, then they they should at least drop the prices by 5 - 10 dollars, thats the only way i can think of that wouldn't completely piss off the people who used to buy used games. I myself havent owned a console since PSone, but damn how i loved the option to try out games for a low price that i wouldn't have ever bought new, or to just trade in 2 of my old games for another.

But don't you see? Used game buyers are already a non-entity to them. You don't provide any of their income, therefore they can happily ignore everything you say.

And of course they won't drop the prices, you know why? Because they won't have to.

They buy their consoles, they buy their DLC's, online passes, live services and whatever else they can charge you for. And if a person occasionally buys used it doesn't mean that he never buys new titles.

 

[everythingbeeps]

If they do this, then they they should at least drop the prices by 5 - 10 dollars, thats the only way i can think of that wouldn't completely piss off the people who used to buy used games. I myself havent owned a console since PSone, but damn how i loved the option to try out games for a low price that i wouldn't have ever bought new, or to just trade in 2 of my old games for another.

But don't you see? Used game buyers are already a non-entity to them. You don't provide any of their income, therefore they can happily ignore everything you say.

And of course they won't drop the prices, you know why? Because they won't have to.

They buy their consoles, they buy their DLC's, online passes, live services and whatever else they can charge you for. And if a person occasionally buys used it doesn't mean that he never buys new titles.

Then the transition to buying new should be easy for them.

 

[iLikeHippos]

I don't think he is evil, but rather misinformed. This is just my theory, but the reason people rather buy used instead for a new copy is for the lowered cost and nothing else. The customers aren't out to screw with the developers; that's the retailers job. I mean, 60 - 70$ for a single game at launch and a few months afterwards seems rather draconian to the wallet, and you compare its price to the used ones, which are at the correct decent pricing, around 25$

It's the retailer's strategy a lá mindfuck and manipulation. I mean, when did the retailers last complain about being 'fucked over' in comparison to the developers?

 

[lapan]

Fine with me. Still getting an X720, and getting the popcorn ready for the comedy that will be the incessant whining of used game buyers.

Same here. I try to buy all my games new anyway so it won't effect me much. But honestly I don't think THAT many people would stop buying games. I worked at a movie theater for 3 years and you wouldn't believe how many times I got this on a DAILY basis..."two tickets for that 3D movie" me: ok that will be $27 "WHAT?! $27! THAT'S CRAZY! THAT PRICE IS WAY TO HIGH" and you know what happened 98% of the time after they finish the rant? They hand me the money and go watch the movie. Same thing when they would buy food in concession.

The problem is that without used game sales someday you won't be able to play old games anymore. Half my PS2 collection is made of games you can't buy new from most stores anymore.

 

[kasperbbs]

If they do this, then they they should at least drop the prices by 5 - 10 dollars, thats the only way i can think of that wouldn't completely piss off the people who used to buy used games. I myself havent owned a console since PSone, but damn how i loved the option to try out games for a low price that i wouldn't have ever bought new, or to just trade in 2 of my old games for another.

But don't you see? Used game buyers are already a non-entity to them. You don't provide any of their income, therefore they can happily ignore everything you say.

And of course they won't drop the prices, you know why? Because they won't have to.

They buy their consoles, they buy their DLC's, online passes, live services and whatever else they can charge you for. And if a person occasionally buys used it doesn't mean that he never buys new titles.

Then the transition to buying new should be easy for them.

We will find out once the new console arrives, assuming that these rumors are true. It's all the same to me, i can't buy used for PC, so i should be happy that more people are as screwed as i am. I need to practice on my evil laugh.

 

[Calcium]

Personally I have less than 1/10th of the games I own pre-owned. As such something like this wouldn't really effect me. For me to buy a game I need enough interest in it to want to buy it: I don't get any more interested by seeing a price drop. Yes, it's better value for money but personally this doesn't make me want it to any greater degree.

Oh, not to mention when I bought Halo Reach the preowned copy was being sold for £0.01 more than a new copy. (SENSE! It does not make!)

I'm perfectly ok with the online passes/project 10$ stuff as a small way to get money out of the used game sales... but eliminating it completely sounds like the biggest load of crap rumor yet out of the Xbox 720 speculation.

The backlash would be horrible. They'd be handing Sony they keys to the market with the next generation.

I dont know...I think there would still be enough "fanboys" willing to buy it, and justify it to theself with other reasons

Yes, because logically anyone who buys a system with flaws is a fanboy. Buy a console with anti-used game system? Fanboy. Buy a PS3 after the PSN hack/removal of other OS? Fanboy! Buy a 360 after knowing about RRoD? FANBOY!

I really hope I've misinterpretted you somehow, but if you really are suggesting that anyone who buys this as yet hypothetical console is a fanboy... Well, wow.

Edit: I'm not trying to justify the feature. Even though it doesn't effect me, I still recognise it's rather ridiculous. I just take umbridge at the assumption that anyone who would buy it must be a "fanboy".

 

[Monkeyman O'Brien]

As I said in the other thread about this. If the Xbox does implament such a system it will be the death of it. You will be able to count its sales in 6 figures. So if this guy thinks its a brilliant system then congratulations, hes a fucking moron.
Besides, his company only has one IP of value and thats Saints Row. How long before he bleeds that dry and is left with nothing?
Maybe its people like him that need educating about how little damage the used market does.

 

[Don't taze me bro]

I almost exclusively buy games on my PC via Steam, or other digital distribution channels. I have no issue with a new console manufacturer restricting used sales as long as 1. They sell their new games much cheaper and 2. They have an extensive digital library to that it eliminates rare and obscure titles only being available through the second hand market.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

See, what this guy fails to understand is that, if the Xbox 720 didn't play used games, then Microsoft would have to drop out of the console market from losing so many paying customers.

Also, "only $60?" Is this guy for real? How many digits are on this guy's paycheck, anyway?

 

[Lilani]

It's because you cant patch an extortionist killswitch into a car, dumbass.

Your car analogy is so horrifyingly flawed I hope nobody here was actually convinced by it.

Question: Does it at all change the likelihood of Microsoft committing suicide in the console race?

 

[Vault101]

Personally I have less than 1/10th of the games I own pre-owned. As such something like this wouldn't really effect me. For me to buy a game I need enough interest in it to want to buy it: I don't get any more interested by seeing a price drop. Yes, it's better value for money but personally this doesn't make me want it to any greater degree.

Oh, not to mention when I bought Halo Reach the preowned copy was being sold for £0.01 more than a new copy. (SENSE! It does not make!)

I'm perfectly ok with the online passes/project 10$ stuff as a small way to get money out of the used game sales... but eliminating it completely sounds like the biggest load of crap rumor yet out of the Xbox 720 speculation.

The backlash would be horrible. They'd be handing Sony they keys to the market with the next generation.

I dont know...I think there would still be enough "fanboys" willing to buy it, and justify it to theself with other reasons

Yes, because logically anyone who buys a system with flaws is a fanboy. Buy a console with anti-used game system? Fanboy. Buy a PS3 after the PSN hack/removal of other OS? Fanboy! Buy a 360 after knowing about RRoD? FANBOY!

I really hope I've misinterpretted you somehow, but if you really are suggesting that anyone who buys this as yet hypothetical console is a fanboy... Well, wow.

Edit: I'm not trying to justify the feature. Even though it doesn't effect me, I still recognise it's rather ridiculous. I just take umbridge at the assumption that anyone who would buy it must be a "fanboy".

....yeah thats exactally what I ment

the way I see it getting rid of used games is anti consumer bullshit, rather than adress the issues...well its like trying to beat a deathclaw with a club..all it does is piss it off and make it claw your guts out faster (like the music industrys kicking and screaming oposition to downloding) I d almost say its another step towards consoles having their own brand of draconian DRM

anyway, now matter how rediculous somthing is...like say all those different kinds of DRM people will still buy it, eather because they dont care OR because they just want it bad enough

although it might seem having a console that cant play used games would kill it before it launched....people will still buy it (like the PC versions of AC or Diablo 3)

bcause they dont care OR well mabye like just like that shiny green logo enough

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Why would Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot with that? If they start banning used games Sony will simply embrace used games and take over the console business, perhaps entirely. It won't happen.

Consumers will "grow to understand" actually means "fuck consumers. We can make them do anything we want". Big fuckin' mistake.