Saints Row dev: "Xbox 720 used game ban would be fantastic."
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because the used games market permits companies like Gamestop to sell their products multiple times without ever paying them a dime.Saucycardog said:
Not one penny from any used game sold reaches the people to developed or published the game.
Not one.
What is amazing here is that you expect the industry to be in favor of a practice that is hurting them worse than piracy.
The 720 used ban would be a boon to the industry.
Oh god I hope it doesn't come to this.
I rarely buy games new, and most of the games I buy are trips to the shop with some cash and see what's there
I rarely buy games new, and most of the games I buy are trips to the shop with some cash and see what's there
I could see this working in my favor as I don't buy used games, if I can't afford a game I don't buy it. This sort of maneuver would make more people buy the cheaper games and might cause the market to become more like the way steam is.
OT: I couldn't care, I don't buy used games as I like the money to go who made it if I can. This is not a surprise to me as used games will start to phase out more and more as games become mostly downloadable.
I have to admit, I would do the same thing in their position, as it bring in much much more money.
EDIT: I will also add that I highly doubt that making this change will effect the console sales much. I'm fairly sure that the majority of the buyers do not look into these sorts of things.
OT: I couldn't care, I don't buy used games as I like the money to go who made it if I can. This is not a surprise to me as used games will start to phase out more and more as games become mostly downloadable.
I have to admit, I would do the same thing in their position, as it bring in much much more money.
EDIT: I will also add that I highly doubt that making this change will effect the console sales much. I'm fairly sure that the majority of the buyers do not look into these sorts of things.
I'm a Sony fanboy (well not really, I just buy there consoles and play games on them).
Lets just say this was the other way round, Sony implementing this and MS not doing so, I would jump ship and get the Nextbox instead of the PS4. I'm sure there are people on the MS boat who would do exactly the same thing.
For the Record: I don't actually buy that many new games, but I do SELL my games once I've had my fun with them and guess what that money goes towards? BUYING NEW GAMES.
Lets just say this was the other way round, Sony implementing this and MS not doing so, I would jump ship and get the Nextbox instead of the PS4. I'm sure there are people on the MS boat who would do exactly the same thing.
For the Record: I don't actually buy that many new games, but I do SELL my games once I've had my fun with them and guess what that money goes towards? BUYING NEW GAMES.
Well if Microsoft has the audacity to disable the use of used games they will probably make an enemy of retailers and the retailers may refuse to stock the new Xbox. Used games make up a huge amount of sales for retailers and in my collection of games only about 1/4th of my games are brand new.
As much as developers and publishers hate used game sales, they are not going to go away.
As much as developers and publishers hate used game sales, they are not going to go away.
God forbid they might start developing games you don't want to part with after a playthrough. That would be madness!
You're right and wrong.everythingbeeps said:
Right: getting it for free because you can't afford it is a ridiculous excuse, and if you don't like the DRM implemented then you should just not buy it (although I'm perfectly fine with people jigging with the .exe's on games they've bought).
Wrong: people will do it anyway, and piracy won't be eliminated. Therefore, making the experience better for the paying customers will encourage those who pirate out of protest to buy a copy.
OT: Yeah, its pretty typical of people to see no benefit in something that doesn't instantly grant them money.
This is why I am happy to be a weeaboo. This is why I'm happy to be a retro-gamer. This is why I am happy to be an indie gamer. This is why I love Nippon Ichi. Nippon Ichi are not jerks. They are not interested in making me put up with terrible DRM. They are not interested in forcing me to never be able to play a used game.
This is why I love old games. Old games are not interested in making me put up with terrible DRM. They don't have an anti-used games agenda. They're not about spitting on my face.
This is why I love indie games. Indie game developers are not interested in making put up with DRM. They don't have a anti-used games agenda. They're not about spitting on my face.
I may buy and play them from time to time, but screw these new AAA brown games from big, powerful, annoying, indie hating companies, and their DRM, their anti-used games agenda, doing every single thing possible thing they can do disrespect fans who gracious by their subpar games.
Games aren't even near as good as they used to be, and yet these dumb companies and their stupid AAA titles are hyper self entitled.
Heck, where's the goodness in games today anyway? Saint's Row is another stupid crime game among crime games and legalized murder games anyway. I'm a pro-choice, anti-censorship, pro-gay, anti-birther [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-natalism] hardcore anti-conservative, and I think video games lack "family values". When was the last time a video game taught good morals and was generally happy and peppy and feel-good? When did "family oriented" become such an insult in the gaming industry?
Go bankrupt. Just go bankrupt if you're going to be like that. You will never make half the game Terraria is. So leave, just leave.
This is why I love old games. Old games are not interested in making me put up with terrible DRM. They don't have an anti-used games agenda. They're not about spitting on my face.
This is why I love indie games. Indie game developers are not interested in making put up with DRM. They don't have a anti-used games agenda. They're not about spitting on my face.
I may buy and play them from time to time, but screw these new AAA brown games from big, powerful, annoying, indie hating companies, and their DRM, their anti-used games agenda, doing every single thing possible thing they can do disrespect fans who gracious by their subpar games.
Games aren't even near as good as they used to be, and yet these dumb companies and their stupid AAA titles are hyper self entitled.
Heck, where's the goodness in games today anyway? Saint's Row is another stupid crime game among crime games and legalized murder games anyway. I'm a pro-choice, anti-censorship, pro-gay, anti-birther [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-natalism] hardcore anti-conservative, and I think video games lack "family values". When was the last time a video game taught good morals and was generally happy and peppy and feel-good? When did "family oriented" become such an insult in the gaming industry?
Go bankrupt. Just go bankrupt if you're going to be like that. You will never make half the game Terraria is. So leave, just leave.
Yeah, as numerous people on even the first page of comments have posted, this is just a rumor and there's absolutely no way that it's true. For starters it would quite literally murder the game rental industry. But beyond that, it wouldn't just be XBox shooting itself in the foot, it'd be XBox shooting itself right in the dick. It'd be the worst move in the videogame industry since the Virtual Boy.
I really think that the first Blood Rayne game has a fantastic quote that sums up this situation. When she explains her aversion to jumping into the water, her partner/friend/whatever, I forget, it's been too long since I've played that game, tells her that it'll be fine and "it won't kill you". To this Rayne says "Yeah, neither will jamming a pencil into my eye, but that doesn't mean I should do it." So will it kill us? No. But it will make us all want to jam pencils into the eyes of everyone that works at Microsoft while also not buying the console seeing as how they've apparently turned into vampire game nazis...alright I think I got a little off track here.
Point is that as a business decision that would be truly a horrible idea. I can only imagine that the day XBox does officially announce "No more used games!" is the day that a boycott against them begins...and I can't help but think the boycott will be supported by many, many gamers. I mean hell, even if I was a PS3 player, I'd be pissed off about this kind of thing purely on principle.
I really think that the first Blood Rayne game has a fantastic quote that sums up this situation. When she explains her aversion to jumping into the water, her partner/friend/whatever, I forget, it's been too long since I've played that game, tells her that it'll be fine and "it won't kill you". To this Rayne says "Yeah, neither will jamming a pencil into my eye, but that doesn't mean I should do it." So will it kill us? No. But it will make us all want to jam pencils into the eyes of everyone that works at Microsoft while also not buying the console seeing as how they've apparently turned into vampire game nazis...alright I think I got a little off track here.
Point is that as a business decision that would be truly a horrible idea. I can only imagine that the day XBox does officially announce "No more used games!" is the day that a boycott against them begins...and I can't help but think the boycott will be supported by many, many gamers. I mean hell, even if I was a PS3 player, I'd be pissed off about this kind of thing purely on principle.
These developers are in dreamland thinking it'd make them more money, all their profits would plummet.
Think it was bungie talking about halo reach that said they lost $1 million to preowned sales. No they really didn't, those people who bought it pre-owned on the cheap may never have bought it otherwise, those same people then brought extra sales to DLC, and even likely will buy the next game new for some. With this system that would never happen, the bigger issue is why there was $1million worth of the game traded back into the store, why can't they be happy that they made money off those people who traded it in from the game and dlc that they can't use anymore.
Biowares Cerberus network at least provided an option, one which means I paid for new DLC, paid a percentage for the preowned game to them and have now preordered ME3, it was that or not buy ME2 and therefore never get ME3 new due to it simply not being avialable new for Xbox anymore, and I didn't want to switch to PC or Origin.
No it won't kill us SR developer and I'm sure you'd love when I buy a new console due to a hardware failure or new model I have to yet again pay you for what I've already paid for.
But whatever, they want to damn themselves they are welcome too, frankly I'm sick of hearing all these game developers whine that thier profits are low (which they aren't) during a finacial crisis where everyone is finding it hard across the freaking world.
Edit: Also will governments even allow it? It's recycling, what's going to happen to all those games you truely hate and don't want taking up space anymore? More landfills? Joy.
Think it was bungie talking about halo reach that said they lost $1 million to preowned sales. No they really didn't, those people who bought it pre-owned on the cheap may never have bought it otherwise, those same people then brought extra sales to DLC, and even likely will buy the next game new for some. With this system that would never happen, the bigger issue is why there was $1million worth of the game traded back into the store, why can't they be happy that they made money off those people who traded it in from the game and dlc that they can't use anymore.
Biowares Cerberus network at least provided an option, one which means I paid for new DLC, paid a percentage for the preowned game to them and have now preordered ME3, it was that or not buy ME2 and therefore never get ME3 new due to it simply not being avialable new for Xbox anymore, and I didn't want to switch to PC or Origin.
No it won't kill us SR developer and I'm sure you'd love when I buy a new console due to a hardware failure or new model I have to yet again pay you for what I've already paid for.
But whatever, they want to damn themselves they are welcome too, frankly I'm sick of hearing all these game developers whine that thier profits are low (which they aren't) during a finacial crisis where everyone is finding it hard across the freaking world.
Edit: Also will governments even allow it? It's recycling, what's going to happen to all those games you truely hate and don't want taking up space anymore? More landfills? Joy.
If they want to get people used to not paying anything for their products, it's their problem. The only reason I'm against the idea is that it requires shenanigans. The disc will still work, so they'll have to put in crap to stop it from playing and that's just garbage. I buy new as much as possible, but if you don't drop the price after 6 months or a year, then I'm not gonna bother. There's a reason I don't buy some games at release. I just don't feel it's worth the price sometimes.everythingbeeps said:
Yes, because those 20 copies of heavy rain, 15 copies of red faction etc etc just fucking teleported themselves into the store and the devs never saw a penny from the sale of them.........OH WAIT THEY DID BECAUSE OTHERWISE ITS NOT 'PREOWNED' ITS STOLEN MERCH.xvbones said:
Wait....who else picked up on this:
""I could see Microsoft implementing their own rental service which would maybe give them a code that activates the game for X days and they are charged a small amount," Durall suggests. "This could work when you borrow the disc from someone" (my bold).
So they even want a slice if I give a game to a mate for a day or two to let him see if he likes it before going out and buying it? Fucking hell! I mean, seriously?! There is no longer anything anyone can say to me that will make me see the big name devs and publishers as anything other than fucking greedy leeches.
It makes them hypocrites for complaining that pirates are "stealing" from them, while they are taking honest, paying customers for everything they can squeeze from us. And as for Durall? Utter ****.
""I could see Microsoft implementing their own rental service which would maybe give them a code that activates the game for X days and they are charged a small amount," Durall suggests. "This could work when you borrow the disc from someone" (my bold).
So they even want a slice if I give a game to a mate for a day or two to let him see if he likes it before going out and buying it? Fucking hell! I mean, seriously?! There is no longer anything anyone can say to me that will make me see the big name devs and publishers as anything other than fucking greedy leeches.
It makes them hypocrites for complaining that pirates are "stealing" from them, while they are taking honest, paying customers for everything they can squeeze from us. And as for Durall? Utter ****.
But that's more towards backwards compatibility than used games. I think if they did go thru with it then all the games that come AFTER the system comes out will have to be new, not any of the older games.lapan said: