Serial Killer Game 73: Digital Infection - Round 2 Voting End 8AM Nov 25th

[Secondhand Revenant]

Is it too early to start a bandwagon? If not, can we kill Aerosteam?

No.. not this again. I didn't sign up for this to happen once more. Stop it, stop that right now Fractral.​

Well the game has officially started! It's fair to unite votes to minimize the might of evil's voting troop the first round. I like surprises but not so much when it's susprise death.

Though right now Aerosteam just doesn't look like a convincing target.

 

[Wary Wolf]

I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before the list comes out. Hell, I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before a virus is found on the system...

Vote for Neuromancer.

 

[Fat Hippo]

I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before the list comes out. Hell, I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before a virus is found on the system...

Vote for Neuromancer.

Just gonna ignore the allegations that have been made, huh? Tsk tsk, not helpful.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before the list comes out. Hell, I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before a virus is found on the system...

Vote for Neuromancer.

Just gonna ignore the allegations that have been made, huh? Tsk tsk, not helpful.

Agreed. It comes off as unsure of how to handle the situation. Especially since Wary seems like a very avid reader of the thread. If I got accused I'd at the very least deny it.

And do consider that we're offering to let you live Wary! The alternative is you likely end up dead. Be the hero! Kill the lawyer!

 

[Wary Wolf]

@Fat Hippo:

Pfft. Would it have helped? Would you have believed me otherwise? I've given you what you wanted. Now let me get offed by the killer in peace please.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Fat Hippo:

Pfft. Would it have helped? Would you have believed me otherwise? I've given you what you wanted. Now let me get offed by the killer in peace please.

Are you saying Neuromancer is the lawyer? It wasn't very clear if that was what you'd meant.

Also the killer may not off you. All he knows(if yoi betrayed him) is you aren't on his side, which applies to most of us. You're clearly not the spy so it may be wise for him to go for someone else.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Oh, I wanna be HitmanPro, because it's name is badass. And because I hate tracking cookies.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before the list comes out. Hell, I don't quite understand the reasoning behind deciding who to vote for before a virus is found on the system...

Vote for Neuromancer.

You're just trying to throw us off your trail, you dirty tracking cookie. Or maybe the guy who posted that PM with you is. Either way, you're both loaded with tracking cookies.

 

[Wary Wolf]

Vote for Neuromancer. He's the lawyer!

 

[Fat Hippo]

@Fat Hippo:

Pfft. Would it have helped? Would you have believed me otherwise? I've given you what you wanted. Now let me get offed by the killer in peace please.

...well, yes. By the information that has been presented to us by Crysan (which I'm inclined to believe for the moment) you haven't actually become a Traitor yet. So you have a few plays this round:

1. Give the Lawyer to us. We execute the Lawyer, which would hamstring the Killer in a meaningful way. You definitely won't get executed after this. The Killer may kill you as revenge, but once you've given us the Lawyer, he doesn't really benefit from it either. Team good has decent chances of winning the round, and you with it. (I'm not really sure if you were giving us Neuromancer as Lawyer or not? EDIT: Ninja'd!)

Sidenote: Medic, you may want to protect Wary Wolf this round. If he dies, we want it to be because we decided to execute him, not because the Killer is trying to contain a leak.

2. You give a fake Lawyer to us: We execute this innocent, and then you afterwards. You still aren't a traitor, so if we lose, you lose. I don't see much to be gained by this from your perspective.

3. You attempt to become a proper Traitor as quickly as possible, and in return don't give us the Lawyer, or a fake one instead. Though I doubt the Killer will agree to give you his identity, since you could always give us that identity and get an easy win. So I don't think this is likely to happen.

4. You do nothing and get executed. Team good or evil may win, not much has changed.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Fat Hippo:

Pfft. Would it have helped? Would you have believed me otherwise? I've given you what you wanted. Now let me get offed by the killer in peace please.

...well, yes. By the information that has been presented to us by Crysan (which I'm inclined to believe for the moment) you haven't actually become a Traitor yet. So you have a few plays this round:

1. Give the Lawyer to us. We execute the Lawyer, which would hamstring the Killer in a meaningful way. You definitely won't get executed after this. The Killer may kill you as revenge, but once you've given us the Lawyer, he doesn't really benefit from it either. Team good has decent chances of winning the round, and you with it. (I'm not really sure if you were giving us Neuromancer as Lawyer or not? EDIT: Ninja'd!)

Sidenote: Medic, you may want to protect Wary Wolf this round. If he dies, we want it to be because we decided to execute him, not because the Killer is trying to contain a leak.

2. You give a fake Lawyer to us: We execute this innocent, and then you afterwards. You still aren't a traitor, so if we lose, you lose. I don't see much to be gained by this from your perspective.

3. You attempt to become a proper Traitor as quickly as possible, and in return don't give us the Lawyer, or a fake one instead. Though I doubt the Killer will agree to give you his identity, since you could always give us that identity and get an easy win. So I don't think this is likely to happen.

4. You do nothing and get executed. Team good or evil may win, not much has changed.

To be fair, a great initiation is to tell someone to accuse someone else of being a potential traitor. The great bit is a fake potential traitor when dead leaves no evidence unless they're one of 3 good roles. Unlikely but something to keep in mind.

 

[Demagogue]

@Rev: & @Tizzy: Done and Done.

 

[Fat Hippo]

Vote for Phat Hippo!. He got them thighs!

Agreed!

We're software, we don't even have thighs anymore.

To be fair, a great initiation is to tell someone to accuse someone else of being a potential traitor. The great bit is a fake potential traitor when dead leaves no evidence unless they're one of 3 good roles. Unlikely but something to keep in mind.

So what you're saying is, Crysan may be a (potential) traitor who is implicating Wary Wolf to cause chaos and get him executed? It's a possibility, though I don't see much motivation on the part of Crysan.

Either:
A. He's not a traitor yet, but is putting himself in a risky position. He's definitely attracting more attention to himself than if he just kept quiet. Also, if he accuses someone innocent, the logical play for that person is to simply deny it. And if that person is then executed, Crysan is probably executed next. Not a lot of gain there.
Or:
B. He is already a full traitor, in which case he would be more valuable kept alive and voting. Aside from that, similar case as above.

It only really works if the person accused does something stupid like accusing somebody random of being Lawyer, therefore implicating themselves as potential traitor after the random accused is executed. As would be the case if we execute Neuromancer and he's innocent. Let's hope Wary didn't do that.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Vote for Phat Hippo!. He got them thighs!

Agreed!

We're software, we don't even have thighs anymore.

To be fair, a great initiation is to tell someone to accuse someone else of being a potential traitor. The great bit is a fake potential traitor when dead leaves no evidence unless they're one of 3 good roles. Unlikely but something to keep in mind.

So what you're saying is, Crysan may be a (potential) traitor who is implicating Wary Wolf to cause chaos and get him executed? It's a possibility, though I don't see much motivation on the part of Crysan.

Either:
A. He's not a traitor yet, but is putting himself in a risky position. He's definitely attracting more attention to himself than if he just kept quiet. Also, if he accuses someone innocent, the logical play for that person is to simply deny it. And if that person is then executed, Crysan is probably executed next. Not a lot of gain there.
Or:
B. He is already a full traitor, in which case he would be more valuable kept alive and voting. Aside from that, similar case as above.

It only really works if the person accused does something stupid like accusing somebody random of being Lawyer, therefore implicating themselves as potential traitor after the random accused is executed. As would be the case if we execute Neuromancer and he's innocent. Let's hope Wary didn't do that.

Well see the thing with A is it'd be an initiation rite to be sure of loyalty. And if Wary comes out as innocent it's because the plan says to induct him on round 3 so you can never be sure. Since Wary accused someone it's far too unlikely now though. Could have just tossed someone out due to desparation though.

Edit: honestly Crysan's ideal route should have been to go along with it until round 3 then yelled out the killer's name

 

[Fat Hippo]

Dude. I am a Desktopstripper! I gotz thighs, tits, and ASS! Don't give me that "Software don't have thighs" shit! <_<

Yeah, you're right, it was silly of me to say something like that. #NotAllSoftware

Hey, that mean's you got dem thighs! Kill DCJF!

Well see the thing with A is it'd be an initiation rite to be sure of loyalty. And if Wary comes out as innocent it's because the plan says to induct him on round 3 so you can never be sure. Since Wary accused someone it's far too unlikely now though. Could have just tossed someone out due to desparation though.

Edit: honestly Crysan's ideal route should have been to go along with it until round 3 then yelled out the killer's name

Well, under plan A, if Wary Wolf doesn't accuse anyone, it's probable that WW is executed cycle 1 and Crysan is executed Cycle 2. So little benefit overall, there. I mean, the Killer wastes two rounds of executions, sure, but the people he's recruiting are sacrificing themselves while still being on team good, which I sure as hell wouldn't do as a player.

If anything, assuming Crysan is a traitor, WW shouting out somebody random would be the best possible outcome for the Killer, as it protects Crysan from suspicion to some degree. It also means we have to suspect WW was a potential traitor, but don't know if Crysan is a traitor. This way, the Killer gets two executions wasted (WW and Neuromancer) and probably gets to keep his traitor (Crysan).

 

[Fat Hippo]

Calling for people's heads before the game even actually starts(When someone gets killed). The true SK way!

Just pretend that nobody has vacuumed this PC in 5 years and the dust is making everything overheat, turning everyone (all the software) batshit crazy. This rig was gonna explode anyway, virus or no virus.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Dude. I am a Desktopstripper! I gotz thighs, tits, and ASS! Don't give me that "Software don't have thighs" shit! <_<

Yeah, you're right, it was silly of me to say something like that. #NotAllSoftware

Hey, that mean's you got dem thighs! Kill DCJF!

Well see the thing with A is it'd be an initiation rite to be sure of loyalty. And if Wary comes out as innocent it's because the plan says to induct him on round 3 so you can never be sure. Since Wary accused someone it's far too unlikely now though. Could have just tossed someone out due to desparation though.

Edit: honestly Crysan's ideal route should have been to go along with it until round 3 then yelled out the killer's name

Well, under plan A, if Wary Wolf doesn't accuse anyone, it's probable that WW is executed cycle 1 and Crysan is executed Cycle 2. So little benefit overall, there. I mean, the Killer wastes two rounds of executions, sure, but the people he's recruiting are sacrificing themselves while still being on team good, which I sure as hell wouldn't do as a player.

If anything, assuming Crysan is a traitor, WW shouting out somebody random would be the best possible outcome for the Killer, as it protects Crysan from suspicion to some degree. It also means we have to suspect WW was a potential traitor, but don't know if Crysan is a traitor. This way, the Killer gets two executions wasted (WW and Neuromancer) and probably gets to keep his traitor (Crysan).

But why would we execute Crysan round 2 in the first paragprah?

 

[Fat Hippo]

But why would we execute Crysan round 2 in the first paragprah?

Okay, let's say this happens:

1. Crysan accuses Wary Wolf of being a traitor
2. Wary denies everything, but doesn't name a Lawyer. He get executed anyway.
3. This would indicate that Wary was probably innocent of the allegations. If he was in fact a potential traitor, the rational move would have been to betray the lawyer. Since he neither betrayed the Lawyer, nor gave us as fake Lawyer, this is as close to clearing his name as we can get. Which would make Crysan a clear next target.

Granted, this all rests on the idea that Wary does the smart, win-chance-maximizing thing of giving up the Lawyer if he's a potential traitor, or accusing no one if he's innocent.