Serial Killer Round 38: The Round We Make Contact (It's All Over!)

[GrimGrimoire]

@[user]Sky[/user] Oh, I guess I were mistaken then. When you said that you were going to kill me, I naturally assumed you meant to lynch me.
My bad.

As to the manipulation? Well, there is little I can reject. I did claim to be the Spy, to see if I would survive the next round. It gave me an idea of who might be trusted, and who might be the Killer.
But as I gather and indeed myself have experienced, claiming to be the Spy is not uncommon.
I don't follow you in your critic on that point, but I can understand your reaction.

Killing the Spy? I still think it was the best possible move for me at the point. Even with my lies, my core point, the gambit that others agreed in was the best way to handle it still stands.
I did manipulate, but going as far as I had to wasn't my intention. I had planned to tell a little lie, perhaps build it up a little and have Ynnek lynched.
Everyone would win, no matter the result.

But keep this in mind, I have never lied or manipulated for any other reason than catching the Killer.
Claiming to be the Spy was done to lead me closer to the Killer.
The lie that I used to kill Ynnek was staged to catch the Killer, or at least lead us closer to him.

My reputation? When I first started, and claimed to be the Spy, I knew that they wouldn't trust me in a while.
I can live with that.
But getting everyone to distrust me? That was the only thing that made it hard for me to execute my plan was this, but in the end I decided that having such a great chance at catching the Killer was more important (and fun) than some early deaths and destroyed reputation.

I have stated before that I knew what I was getting into all along, and I stand my by choice.

So distrust me if you think it's the best. Kill me it that helps. But I am not the only liar here, I am just the only one that will stand by what I did and confess when the storm has passed.

 

[sky14kemea]

@Steke: Oh please, how on earth does killing the spy before he gets his third question lead us any closer to the killer?

Even with my lies, my core point, the gambit that others agreed in was the best way to handle it still stands.

What others? You admitted to me in a PM that you were the only one behind this all along. You're still lying even now, and to be honest, it isn't helping you as much as you might think.

Yes we all tell lies in this game, but some of us also tell the truth. We put our trust in others that have proven to be trusthworthy, so we can catch the killer together.

You seem to want all the glory for catching the killer, even though your actions have only lead us further away from them.

We all stand by our actions, and we give evidence to why we did them, but you have yet to really do either.

You're contradicting yourself in every message you send to a different person. I know you sent a message to Link about me "being aggressive". I was in no way aggressive, and I'd be happy for you to post the PM's we exchanged if you think it'll help "prove" otherwise.

How do you expect anyone to believe what you say even now, when your track record is pretty damn awful?

 

[axle 19]

@[user]Steke[/user]: What the hell are you talking about. You turned people against the real spy by lying to there face. The only reason we are where we are now is that Ynnek was on the ball and got two questions off before he was lynched. If no questions had been asked then we would be stuck with a dead spy and absolutely no suspects.

Don't believe me? Look at the previous round, the spy didnt do anything and the game lasted for ten whole rounds. Your stupid gambit could have backfired horribly. As for people pretending to be the spy, this is the only round where that has happened and Skye did it to most likely fuck with people. You did it for a moronic reason that would only serve to prolong the game in most scenarios.

No one is going to trust anything you say and you will most likely die in the first round or so of subsequent games just out of spite. Personally, I'm with sky, I would love to see you lynched or murdered regardless of whether you can be the killer or not because of how badly you screwed things up.

 

[RaNDM G]

@Everyone: It's a fucking game. You're blowing this out of proportion.

 

[CounterAttack]

But I am not the only liar here, I am just the only one that will stand by what I did and confess when the storm has passed.

So... basically you're accusing everyone else of not accepting their own actions. That is just plain moronic, and won't earn you any friends in these parts let alone people's trust.

If I may ask, who else do you think has lied? Sure, the killer lies all the time - I assume - because they need to convince other people that they're innocent. That is the only manipulation that should be done in this game: the killer working their way through the other players and trying to last all the way to the end. That's a good strategy for them: it worked for Neo.

I agree with Sky and axle. I sincerely doubt that you will ever be trusted again in this game, no matter what you do. In future rounds, people will likely kill you off first, for no other reason than to get you out of the way and stop you from causing any more chaos than you already have.

 

[sky14kemea]

@RaN: Yeah, but there isn't much else to do these days. Besides, some of us have been here for a while, and we've grown to really like this game. We just don't appreciate it when people come in trying to take it over.

 

[Tortilla the Hun]

@RaN: Forum Games...

Spoiler: Serious Business

 

[RaNDM G]

@sky: In other words, you can't beat him at his own game. And if you can't beat them, you refuse to play with them.

That's basically how the three of you are coming across.

 

[sky14kemea]

@RaN: It's more, he can't beat us at our game, so he's trying to make his own. As childish as this sounds, we were here first. =P

 

[RaNDM G]

@sky: Now you're going to play that card? Alright, I see how it is.

Hypothetical question. How would you feel if Counter pulled the same trick?

I'd bet you'd be fucking pissed.

Would you kick him out?

 

[staika]

Oh my I seem to have missed a lot in this hour I've been in class. I seem to miss everything

 

[sky14kemea]

@RaN: I'd be just as upset. Trust me on this.

One round, quite a while ago, I pretended to be the Spy in order to try and lure the killer off. I did a bit more than Skye did this round, including PMing random people accusing them of being the killer, to see if they'd reveal themselves. It didn't go down that well, so I didn't try it again.

At least I admitted to it, though. I knew it wasn't fun for the others afterwards, so I agreed not to do it again.

 

[axle 19]

@[user]RaN[/user]: Of course people would be understandably pissed. There is a reason we don't take things this far in terms of lying to people about the roles we have. I doubt that someone who enjoys this game and has been here for awhile would do something of this magnitude.

 

[RaNDM G]

@sky: So you did the same thing before? Interesting... o_-

Let me ask Steke something.

@Steke: If you knew the repercussions of your actions, would you have still carried out your plan?

 

[sky14kemea]

@RaN: Similar, yes. xD That's why I'm so vocal about it now. I'm not saying we kick Steke out, I just want him to know that he can't do this in every round. :/ And I know he'll get picked on for a while, 'cause I did too.

Quite a few people went through a phase where they were lynched right at the start just 'cause of reputation.

 

[RaNDM G]

@sky: Yeah, I can see how that happens.

 

[axle 19]

@[user]RaN[/user]: The only thing that newbies have had to enure is usually dying first. Quite a few people have gone through a series of rounds where they bit the dust first. Hell I was one of them at one point. We don't pick on someone for no good reason.

 

[GrimGrimoire]

@[user]RaN[/user] I can't talk much now, but I will be back and ready in a few hours.

A short response:
Would I have done it again?
My answer is a bit split on this matter, but I will try to cover as much as I can before I leave.
In one way, yes. I am pleased with the results of my actions, and I think it turned out quite well. Complaining about the result when just the affects on the game is taken into mind, is like being mad for getting 100% complete in a game, but knowing that you might have unlocked the hidden extra stage and gotten 120% if you had gambled a bit more.
This is where I have little trouble understanding of the complainers rants.

But at the same time, no.
First of all because I won't ever be able to do it again, but also to not have to yet again feel what I'm feeling now. The chilling unfriendly feeling that you have unintentionally ruined other people's fun.
Even though I think you are all blowing it out of the context, (It's just a forum game) I still think I would have handled it in another way had I been in the same situation again.
Though I would still lynch Ynnek.

Take a view from my perspective:
You have just joined this game for your first round, and know nothing of the norms of the regulars.
You find yourself in a situation where you have the power to strike a blow at the Killer.
Remember, I did actually think that Ynnek was the Killer.
You go trough with your plan, but it doesn't go as it should. You do all you can to save it and succeed, staying true to the rules all the way, even thought the result was not the best it's still a favourable situation.
Then, people get mad. Really mad, for not following norms I did not know of and destroying my own reputation, something I knew was bound to happen and still stand by.
Things get blown out of proportions for something we all know I cannot do again and won't now that I know how some of you react to changes.

As for not playing your game, and trying to make my own? I played by the only rules I know, and therefore the actual game.

Thank you RaN, for giving me a chance to explain my views in a proper way, and for expressing displeasure at not only my mistakes, but the mistakes of others.

"We were here first"? Really? I get that some people are mad, and I know how a noob interfering with the norms is annoying or might diminish the fun, but this happens in all situations and social groups. One must have time to become fully accustomed to other people's minds and make mistakes.
Chill down.

 

[sky14kemea]

@Steke: Dude, I was chilled. I still am. You're the one who said I was being aggressive. xD

I get that you were a newbie, but surely you must've noticed that no other players were going out of their way to change the game this much? ('Cept maybe Skye this time).

You never had the power to strike a blow at the killer, you had no way of knowing for sure. The reason people got so mad is because instead of waiting for more information to be sent around, you decided to dive in and ended up getting the real Spy killed.

You may not have done it intentionally, and I get that. But your actions afterwards didn't really match to what you're saying now. Even after Ynnek was lynched, you still withheld everything you could, and kept on lying more and more to different people. Instead of just standing up right there and saying "Sorry everyone, I made a mistake! No big deal, right?" You kept trying to play people and just dug yourself into a worse situation than before. :/

 

[Tortilla the Hun]

@axle: Surprisingly, my own "hazing" lasted only my first two rounds. Even then, I was the second executed on the second round.