Serial Killer Round 70: Soviet Submarine Slaughter!

[kingofkumquats]

Well, it's certainly understandable to suspect me. I have indeed been AWOL. I'm not sure if there's anything I can do about it, so feel free to kill me off if you see the need to. That being said, I'm not the killer, and you may not want to kill me. This statement is obviously dubious coming from the suspect in question, however, so this isn't going to change anyone's mind. Oh, well. I await my fate with dignity and level-headedness.

Or are we all on EvilRoy now? Vote for him? Definitely the killer? Seems like a good idea to me.

 

[EvilRoy]

@FHKoK

Aww

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The dog piling is real.

 

[gritch]

First I'm the Killer because I work a pretty standard schedule, now I'm the Killer because people didn't buy into that line and vote for me.

I'll admit my first bit of logic probably wasn't the greatest but looking at everyone's post you're seemed the most sucipious even if we discount the timing. Often I find people's reactions to others' posts more telling than there own posts. When DCJComrade pointed out the Killer was likely inactive you reacted fairly strongly here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.881148-Serial-Killer-Round-70-Soviet-Submarine-Slaughter?page=7#22215649]. Then add to that the other time agruments and while it's not a great argument it's the first goddamn round. I thought it was a decent enough lead given the amount of info.

That second string of logic predicated on the fact that the Killer and lawyer didn't vote for me, despite the fact (and I cannot stress this enough) that it is entirely possible that the Killer and the lawyer did vote for me.

That's blatantly accusing both FatHippoComrade and myself of being the Killer/Lawyer. My behavior is even more idiotic if I were the Killer than if I was the Spy. Were I the Killer and you got killed I'd be the immediate suspect. Why the hell would any Killer want to do that? It's basically a guarantee loss.

I'm not the one actively sowing discord here.

It always takes two for discord

As to the rest, hey like you said to me if you don't have a role, too bad, but one more off the suspect list. All I'm trying to say is there is no way I would fight for an execution without being certain I'm not dooming us all, and right now the only way to be sure is to be the person who's death would doom us. That's nothing hard to figure out, Killer, lawyer, or otherwise.

I'm definitely going to disagree that you shouldn't accuse people for fear of killing the Spy. There are 3 roles I'd be fine offing (Killer, Lawyer, and Doppelganger) and there is only one role that we absolutely don't want killed (the Spy). The other roles, while it'd be better to have, aren't as essential as the Spy is. People in these roles should be acting completely different. The behavior of the Spy should be different enough to tell apart from the Killer. Even if it's wrong and completely random, odds are lower that they're the Spy than the Killer/Lawyer/Doppelganger. And then even if the Spy is accused they can always drop their list as soon as it seems they're going to be executed. They get killed and the list is distributed and everyone knows it's good to believe.

Overall intelligently accusing people is much better than sitting around and randomly voting because you're too afraid of executing the Spy.

 

[EvilRoy]

@DC

Yeeaaaaaah, well I might have it coming. I have no idea while they kilt you in the first place. I was half going to vote for Jux like Aero (I think?) had suggested early in the thread or Gritch because he's a big smelly meany head, but when it came to my assured death I figured I had best do something fun with the vote.

@Itch

Well it seems to me the best move for the killer would be to actively argue for executions, while never raising their own MEGAHAND against the person they say should die in the thread. That way the killer can never be pinned to executions by way of "these two guys always vote together for the next guy killed or executed" while at the same time directing the group to do their own bidding. A simple matter of the strongest personality directing the many, and silently offing the dangerous among them between executions.

So.. yeah. I mean from my perspective it really does make total sense that you and hippo are the killer and lawyer. I was supposed to die, the first harmless death in the upcoming long line of deaths that you two orchestrate, but don't often publicly agree on to keep your votes separate. You two just expected a couple others to agree with you so you could claim I was bait and accuse the next two in the line of being tag along killer and lawyer. Since they didn't there was nobody for you to accuse, so you did the next best thing and fingered me as the guy you already wanted to kill and conveniently voted with others to get another guy. I'm sure I would still be on the chopping block even if I had voted for you or Jux alone, just for different and equally weak reasons.

At any rate, I have no idea who is a good idea to accuse or not accuse, this is my second time in the game and my first was a fairly silent affair.

 

[snekadid]

You guys have till tomorrow when I get home from work to do your roles powers. I am going to say this, the spy has asked me no questions and hasn't messaged me since accepting their role... Im getting nervous for you guys. Is there precedent for killing a player and giving their role to someone else because as much as Id love the killer having an advantage(go underdog!) this seems kinda shitty.

It also makes this a really shitty test case for the doppleganger role if i DONT GET ANY SPY QUESTIONS!

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Snekadid: Um it may not be a good idea to mention that outside of PMing the one in question. Bit of a hint about who they are for all of us

 

[EvilRoy]

This is some serious bullshit, yo. First I find out I'm gonna die, then that we were boned from the get go.

 

[gritch]

Gritch because he's a big smelly meany head

That's mean but to be fair I am trying to deliberately provoke you. People who are upset tend to make mistakes. I was hoping I'd get to upset and you'd slip up confirm your identity. I just want to take a pause and point out I don't personally dislike you. I'm not singling you got because I hate you - I just thought you seemed the most suspicious at the time. If I'm wrong I'm going to feel like such an asshole but please remember I'm only doing what I think will win this game.

Well it seems to me the best move for the killer would be to actively argue for executions, while never raising their own MEGAHAND against the person they say should die in the thread. That way the killer can never be pinned to executions by way of "these two guys always vote together for the next guy killed or executed" while at the same time directing the group to do their own bidding. A simple matter of the strongest personality directing the many, and silently offing the dangerous among them between executions.

So.. yeah. I mean from my perspective it really does make total sense that you and hippo are the killer and lawyer. I was supposed to die, the first harmless death in the upcoming long line of deaths that you two orchestrate, but don't often publicly agree on to keep your votes separate. You two just expected a couple others to agree with you so you could claim I was bait and accuse the next two in the line of being tag along killer and lawyer. Since they didn't there was nobody for you to accuse, so you did the next best thing and fingered me as the guy you already wanted to kill and conveniently voted with others to get another guy. I'm sure I would still be on the chopping block even if I had voted for you or Jux alone, just for different and equally weak reasons.

Actually Hippo and I were Killer/Lawyer in round 66 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.876185-Serial-Killer-Round-66-Cadaver-Cavern-Cycle-2-Killer-Executed]. We decided on a bold strategy were I, as the Lawyer, pretendented to be the Spy and spread a fake list. It... ended poorly [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.876185-Serial-Killer-Round-66-Cadaver-Cavern-Cycle-2-Killer-Executed?page=4#22053075]. I seriously doubt a single person could strong-arm the entire group to vote the way they want. There's too many strong personalities in this group. I tried to be a ballsy Lawyer and it failed. I don't think I'm going to try it again.

Plus it's not normal for the GM to release the voting spread. This whole "You two just expected a couple others to agree with you so you could claim I was bait and accuse the next two in the line of being tag along killer and lawyer" thing wouldn't have necessarily worked. Plus having that trick work more than once in a round? Very unlikely. Even if did pull that off once having me falsely accuse two people would DEFINITELY get me executed. It's just not a sustainable strategy.

 

[Aerosteam]

@sneka: Have you PMed the Spy?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

@Spy: Gawds dammit. Gawds damn you.

That said, I don't buy Roy as the killer. Looks like a "don't kill me on nothing" bit to me. I mean sure, we don't have a lot to go on, because Spy[footnote]*glare*[/footnote], but I'm still banking of DC's "killer is largely inactive" idea.

Hell, it's what I'd do with the whole "vote in public" idea. Just let someone else get the heat on them and it snowballs.

EDIT: Especially with the two rando votes I got and no one owning up to them. It's freakin weird. If it were just statistical clustering, why isn't anybody saying anything? I get statistical clustering. :/

 

[crimson5pheonix]

@Spy: Gawds dammit. Gawds damn you.

That said, I don't buy Roy as the killer. Looks like a "don't kill me on nothing" bit to me. I mean sure, we don't have a lot to go on, because Spy[footnote]*glare*[/footnote], but I'm still banking of DC's "killer is largely inactive" idea.

Hell, it's what I'd do with the whole "vote in public" idea. Just let someone else get the heat on them and it snowballs.

EDIT: Especially with the two rando votes I got and no one owning up to them. It's freakin weird. If it were just statistical clustering, why isn't anybody saying anything? I get statistical clustering. :/

Well if they are playing the inactive game, they just got a huge advantage with Sneka's post. If we vote for inactive people, we might catch the spah instead.

 

[Twintix]

The Spy is AWOL...

... Come again?

I'm not gonna call doom just yet, but things certainly aren't looking up for us, are they?

 

[snekadid]

@sneka: Have you PMed the Spy?

I did recently, i figured not asking a question the first wave was their punishment for not paying attention but this is getting... sigh...

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Spy: Gawds dammit. Gawds damn you.

That said, I don't buy Roy as the killer. Looks like a "don't kill me on nothing" bit to me. I mean sure, we don't have a lot to go on, because Spy[footnote]*glare*[/footnote], but I'm still banking of DC's "killer is largely inactive" idea.

Hell, it's what I'd do with the whole "vote in public" idea. Just let someone else get the heat on them and it snowballs.

EDIT: Especially with the two rando votes I got and no one owning up to them. It's freakin weird. If it were just statistical clustering, why isn't anybody saying anything? I get statistical clustering. :/

Well if they are playing the inactive game, they just got a huge advantage with Sneka's post. If we vote for inactive people, we might catch the spah instead.

An attentive killer will know who the spy is soon enough. Or well who they very likely are. I know the two most likely potential candidates and it's very easy to figure out, the necessary information is available now and unfortunately its public. So an attentive killer will know as well then tell their lawyer to point a finger. If they get a nod they stab that one, else they stab the other. Our priest will very likely have to revive our spy next round.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Twintix: Yeah, he's AWOL alright (AWOL = Away without official leave) <--- in case someone didn't know.
Watch as the Spy gets murdered and then, and I mean right then, the Spy goes "Oh hey i'm back! Yeah sorry got killed lulz" or something like that. Least the Priest can revive em if needed be unless we end up executing the Priest by accident or the Killer gets em first. Personally i'm not sure what's worse- the Spy dying first or the Priest.

I'm pretty sure the spy has realized their mistake by now.

 

[snekadid]

Apparently he did send me a question this round, I just never got it. Less frustrating I guess? all roles must act that want to act by 8pm est tonight.

 

[gritch]

@ScarUnseenComrade: Watched the first episode of School-Live. Well that was interesting. The start was so insanely cutesy I knew there had to be something odd going on for you to suggest it. That OP... that was almost too much cute for me handle. The subtle hints throughout the whole episode: none of the other girls going to classes, the blockage in the hallway, the Stephen King book - it seems like it'll be a well put together show if it keeps up that attention to detail.

I'll keep watching later. Looks like it could be good.

 

[Scars Unseen]

@ScarUnseenComrade: Watched the first episode of School-Live. Well that was interesting. The start was so insanely cutesy I knew there had to be something odd going on for you to suggest it. That OP... that was almost too much cute for me handle. The subtle hints throughout the whole episode: none of the other girls going to classes, the blockage in the hallway, the Stephen King book - it seems like it'll be a well put together show if it keeps up that attention to detail.

I'll keep watching later. Looks like it could be good.

Make sure to watch the OP and ED every episode.

 

[Aerosteam]

Apparently he did send me a question this round, I just never got it. Less frustrating I guess? all roles must act that want to act by 8pm est tonight.

What do you mean? Is it in your inbox? Is it on their sent box?