Serious Topic: Swat Team Kills Man's Dogs in Front of Children

[Tdc2182]

I'm glad people here are using logic unlike in the YouTube comments.

I mean, one of the dogs was a pit bull. Those are dangerous dogs, no matter what.

Wrong.
Dogs, no matter the breed, can be dangerous or docile depending on how they are raised. I have a german shepherd, you know, the dog breed that cops use to chase down fleeing suspects. She wouldn't hurt a fly, because thats how she was raised.

No, he was right. A pitbull is naturally a pissed off dog. My family babysat one of the nicest pitbulls I have ever met, and it nearly killed my dog, and it did kill my Grandmas cat. It can be a decent animal if well trained, but this guy was a drug trafficker. So I doubt that dog was a box of joy.

Plus, why are you using German Shepards as an example? We have one right now, and that Dog is the nicest thing in the world, along with everyone I have ever met

 

[One of Many]

oh really?

So then I guess the domestication of the silver fox was by magic then, doh how stupid of me.

Pray tell, what does the domestication of a fox have to do with a dog being dangerous or docile depending on how its human family raised it? As for how it happened, I would assume that domestication of the fox happened the same way human's domesticated the orginal dogs, by taking the friendliest offspring (kits, as we're talking foxs) and raising them.

Are you telling me that if I backed your dog into a corner and made threatening noises and motions, it wouldn't defend itself?

Of course she would, everything has that survival instinct, especially predatory animals

She'd bark at you, thats for sure. However, I don't think she'd hurt you. She's never bitten any of the people (who were strangers to her at the time), who've had had come to house when we're not around. Some of them had to chase her around to house, so they could put a harness around her chest. Nor did she bite the vet, who had to back her into a corner and jab her with a needle, she did pee though.

Wrong. Virtually any living organism that feeds on flesh (Or was designed to by nature) can and will harm things that scare/threaten them. Its just the way it works.

As for your German Shepard... THAT dog is dangerous as all hell. I had one too, and yes, they are very loyal and friendly dogs. Mine never hurt another human being.

However, it killed roughly 3 ground hogs a year, and even attempted to kill several deer. She also nearly destroyed a golden retriever that had threatened me.

Your dog is a killing machine: The situation just simply hasn't been raised yet were your dog has felt the need to kill or maim.

EDIT: Dongs? God? Whoops.

Your dog was raised differently. I can't even get mine to go after squirrels.

 

[Beryl77]

What I find more interesting are differences between the posts here and the comments on youtube. On youtube nearly everyone thinks that everyone in the S.W.A.T. team is an asshole and here many think that it was justified and it was that mans own fault(I think so too).

 

[Uszi]

I'm glad people here are using logic unlike in the YouTube comments.

I mean, one of the dogs was a pit bull. Those are dangerous dogs, no matter what.

Wrong.
Dogs, no matter the breed, can be dangerous or docile depending on how they are raised. I have a german shepherd, you know, the dog breed that cops use to chase down fleeing suspects. She wouldn't hurt a fly, because thats how she was raised.

Also trained in WW2 to disembowel people.
German Shepards, that is.

I mean, I feel bad for the dogs. But they're... dogs. Meh, life goes on.

 

[CD-R]

If anyone bothered to read the description.

The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call "a small amount of marijuana" (meaning less than a few grams).

It looks like there's some problems here with the Columbia, MO police department. Here they taser a guy and he falls off a bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V4ZQvRnllI&feature=related

Whoever leaked this video agrees.

 

[SlowShootinPete]

Spoiler

oh really?

So then I guess the domestication of the silver fox was by magic then, doh how stupid of me.

Pray tell, what does the domestication of a fox have to do with a dog being dangerous or docile depending on how its human family raised it? As for how it happened, I would assume that domestication of the fox happened the same way human's domesticated the orginal dogs, by taking the friendliest offspring (kits, as we're talking foxs) and raising them.

Are you telling me that if I backed your dog into a corner and made threatening noises and motions, it wouldn't defend itself?

Of course she would, everything has that survival instinct, especially predatory animals

She'd bark at you, thats for sure. However, I don't think she'd hurt you. She's never bitten any o the people (who were strangers to her at the time), who've hed had come to house when we're not around. Some of them had to chase her around to house, so they could put a harness around her chest. Nor did she bite the vet, who had to back her into a corner and jab her with a needle, she did pee though.

Wrong. Virtually any living organism that feeds on flesh (Or was designed to by nature) can and will harm things that scare/threaten them. Its just the way it works.

As for your German Shepard... THAT dog is dangerous as all hell. I had one too, and yes, they are very loyal and friendly dogs. Mine never hurt another human being.

However, it killed roughly 3 ground hogs a year, and even attempted to kill several deer. She also nearly destroyed a golden retriever that had threatened me.

Your dog is a killing machine: The situation just simply hasn't been raised yet were your dog has felt the need to kill or maim.

EDIT: Dongs? God? Whoops.

Your dog was raised differently. I can't even get mine to go after squirrels.

I believe that your dog may be the exception. Most animals, no matter how small of a chance they have, will fight like hell when they feel their survival is threatened. There's no way to know which animals don't have that will to live.

 

[Strategia]

If police entered my home, and shot my dog, even if I hadn't done anything illegal, I would have KILLED them. Or at least tried to. I'm a single child, so my dog is as close to me as my parents are, and I'm very protective. Seriously, if someone did that, I'd probably go so berserk they'd have to kill me too. I love dogs.

And I'm going to side with some of the other people here: that did NOT sound like a "dangerous attack dog", it sounded like a frightened, possibly wounded animal, a house pet, that was shot and killed WHILE THERE WERE CHILDREN PRESENT. Congratulations, you just arrested a guy suspected - SUSPECTED - of drug trafficking, and severely traumatised a bunch of innocent kids. Whichever officer did that should be shot in the face, in my not quite so humble, animal-loving, very very angry opinion.

 

[One of Many]

No, he was right. A pitbull is naturally a pissed off dog. My family babysat one of the nicest pitbulls I have ever met, and it nearly killed my dog, and it did kill my Grandmas cat. It can be a decent animal if well trained, but this guy was a drug trafficker. So I doubt that dog was a box of joy.

Plus, why are you using German Shepards as an example? We have one right now, and that Dog is the nicest thing in the world, along with everyone I have ever met

Well, for one thing, I've been attacked by a german shepard before and I currently own one. The one I have now is a sweet thing and the one that attacked me was trained as a guard dog (I was invited to the home that the dog attacked me at, they thought I had left when they let the dog. I happened to be walking to my truck).

That is a perfect example of what I was talking about. A dog will be dangerous or docile depending on how it was raised.

 

[Tdc2182]

If anyone bothered to read the description.

The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call "a small amount of marijuana" (meaning less than a few grams).

Beliving the description in the youtube section was your first mistake. The guy probably just didnt have any drugs on him at the time, but he was a Coke trafficer. I like the guys comment who said "They dont send in Steven Seagal for a drug raid."

 

[Strategia]

OK, I can understand the pitbull, even if it WAS chained. It might still have been a good dog, but pitbulls are notorious attack dogs and in a situation like that, I can understand the decision - doesn't mean I sympathise entirely, but it's understandable.

But the corgi? A fucking CORGI? I stand by what I said: whoever did that, killing a small, frightened housepet in front of a child, should be shot in the face. Twice.

 

[Blogg10]

Y'know, there's an actual argument to be had here: How much slack does risking their own personal safety afford police officers during tense situations? How much force is "excessive" force, and is there a general rule of thumb or is it a case by case basis.

Let's clarify a few items first though: 1) Blaming this on "Americanism" is stupid. If anything, Americans are the most paranoid and distrusting citizens of a country that ever lived. They literally don't trust their government or law enforcement. In comparison to my country, Canada, police are held to a very transparent process in the States.

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

3)Once you have a warrant, you're allowed to break into someone's home. You aren't afforded a warrant over a closet-based grow-op. If the police did break into that guys home, then the case was looked over by a judge and that official deemed a breach necessary. That's the best system we have, and its the best we've ever had.

Now, I personally believe that police should be able to do anything necessary to guarantee the safety of people and that humans come first. Also, the suspect is the one who should be charged if anyone. If you take a hostage and the hostage dies during the police apprehending you, that death is one your hands, not the police. The suspect is the one who put the dog in this position.

Just a clarifying point here; murder only applies to humans.

 

[Tdc2182]

What I find more interesting are differences between the posts here and the comments on youtube. On youtube nearly everyone thinks that everyone in the S.W.A.T. team is an asshole and here many think that it was justified and it was that mans own fault(I think so too).

Youtube intelligence= the brown stuff under my shoe, most likely poop.

Escapist intelligence= Guy who made the machine that punches a tree whenver it rains. just because.

(if you really want to see the guy, just ask for the link.)

 

[MinishArcticFox]

They yelled police search warrant 3 times I believe and the TV was on so it's likely that someone was in that room when they yelled yet everypne turned up in the bedroom. My guess he heard the yelling and ran but didn't care enough to restrain his own dog. Besides they don't send SWAT in after a bag of weed they send them in on narcotic busts they may have just had bad info.

 

[CD-R]

If anyone bothered to read the description.

The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call "a small amount of marijuana" (meaning less than a few grams).

Beliving the description in the youtube section was your first mistake. The guy probably just didnt have any drugs on him at the time, but he was a Coke trafficer. I like the guys comment who said "They dont send in Steven Seagal for a drug raid."

Got a link to a News Story on it by chance? I'm just more curious as to who leaked the video and why since it looks like it was taken from a SWAT officer cam.

 

[Call Me Arizona]

One of the dogs was a FUCKING CORGI. Are you KIDDING me? Yes, vicious killers they are.
The pit bull was IN A CAGE.
They were just barking, there weren't even any growls.
Ugh.
Really? Is that necessary? Get the dude, don't punish his child and his pets just because he's getting arrested, especially a caged dog that can't do anything but bark.
Oh, apparently the corgi lived. Still, no point in shooting the damn thing.
I don't like cops. I just don't trust them, but I'm not all gung-ho we don't need police, fuck tha PO-LICE or whatever, I just think they need to be WAY more regulated and not by themselves.

 

[Rynozeros]

The sounds the dog made after it was shot the first time was sickening. If anyone broke in to my house and shot my dog they'd have to take me too because I would kill them all.

 

[MinishArcticFox]

OK, I can understand the pitbull, even if it WAS chained. It might still have been a good dog, but pitbulls are notorious attack dogs and in a situation like that, I can understand the decision - doesn't mean I sympathise entirely, but it's understandable.

But the corgi? A fucking CORGI? I stand by what I said: whoever did that, killing a small, frightened housepet in front of a child, should be shot in the face. Twice.

It was hardly shot in front of the child he came out of the room a while after the shots were fired. I agree that it probably wasn't necessary to shoot it but I would kill my own dog to protect someone's life and with adrlenaline going and the anticipation of what you might find accidents happen.

 

[JLML]

Well, to start with you should always cooperate with the police, especially if it's a damn SWAT-team.
Dogs are a threat in all dangerous situations, since you never really know how they will react and, as stated several times already, are potentially lethal.

I don't have a dog, but many of my friends do, and I could almost say I'm closer to them than my family. Still, if I would've had a dog, I would accept that the officers saw it as a necessity to kill it.. But since I would've cooperated, that wouldn't happen.

 

[Arsen]

I understand the reasoning behind this, but in the end they killed the man's dogs and raided his house when his family was there. We need decency laws and something with a moral guideline that's not neutral here.

 

[Irridium]

Yes I think they went a bit too far. The dogs were restrained and, well basically harmless. They didn't need to die.

On the other hand, when a fucking SWAT team busts down your door, you don't act like a smartass. You fucking co-operate.