Seriously though, F***K the Alliance.
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I was talking about Grand Marshal Garithos High Prick of the Alliancetoxbox said:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Garithos
A lot of people are forgetting that the humans living in Lorderon and citizens of the alliance have valid claim to that land. Their forcible transformation into Forsaken is a definite act of war and it looks like the death knights of the Ebon Blade are not to pleased with the Forsaken either. Also how much you wanna bet that their curing(or destruction) will be something like what happened to the zerg in Starcraft 2.
Yeah.. I suddenly remembered that was it. My current medication gives me memory lapses, so sometimes things blur into each other.The Madman said:
I'm sure there was a similar character in the barrens though.
Both sides have some degree of claim to it I think. Though since the Forsaken and the humans of formerly-Lorderon are both part of the same kingdom, I'm not sure act of war is the correct term.spectrenihlus said:
The Forsaken are nasty, but you have to remember that most of them don't see undeath as a bad thing any more. The people they raise have free will, if they want to jump off the nearest cliff they can. If they want to run off into the wilderness and go slowly feral they can. If they want to run back to the alliance and see how long it takes for someone to stab them out of principle, they can.
And I really don't think that cure is coming. The Forsaken have adapted psychologically to their current state. They are a nation which just happens to be composed of the undead, not to mention the difficulty of removing them from the game. I imagine some of the 'new' forsaken will probably rebel, maybe lead by Lilian Voss or something, and the division will take momentum away from the war and diminish their current winning streak. Who knows. I don't think it will be that drastic though.
Oh good lord, a WoW lore thread. I may be an ex-WoW junkie but god help me I still know the lore like the back of my hand. It's what kept me playing until the end of Wrath, but that's a whole different story about a half mad vendetta and the psychological need to break my foot off in Arthas' ass. (yes I'm saying that WoW nearly broke my sanity *twitch*)Laurie Barnes said:
I digress, LORE!
I started my WoW career as Horde and finished it as Alliance; 5 years on the same character. I played a Shaman, and while I never did any RP I was really invested in my character's on going story through the quest lines and raids. I never saw the Alliance as the enemy in the black and white sense that some players see them. They have just as rich a history as the Horde and have been involved in some equally gray territory when it comes to policy. Blizzard has done an amazing job of having both factions dance that line of good and evil so that from the single perspective of other side one is always going to seem worse than the other. Though delving into the lore of both sides gives a totally new perspective.
I could probably write a lengthy paper on the deeds of either side were there ever to be any kind of practical application for it. The tragic story of Prince Arthas, the internment of the Orcs after the second War, the War of the Ancients, and the retcon. OH MY GOD THE RETCON!! Movie Bob likes to talk about how comic continuity is weird but I've spent countless nights discussing at length continuity differences between WoW and the RTS games, the novels, the comics, the in-game books, the quests, the raids, the little niggling easter eggs hidden all over the world that are from the lore.
Crikey I stopped playing at the end of Wrath, lord knows what they've gone and changed since Cataclysm. This expansion crosses alot of stuff setup in The War of the Ancients Trilogy and the Day/Night of the Dragon novels, a few of the comics, even the early RTS games I think. There will be retcon or compromise between continuities at some point; mark my words.
Oh that's right, and they brought back Ragnaros with this latest patch, oh I bet money that's started digging around the Elemental Lords and Old God's bin of lore. Then there's Uldum adding more Titan lore to the mix; and the Worgen with Gilneas.
....I....I need a notebook...and a chalk board...some string...and an assload of sticky notes.
Just wait for Sargeras to return to become the main antagonist. Of course what do you do after Sargeras?KeyMaster45 said:Oh good lord, a WoW lore thread. I may be an ex-WoW junkie but god help me I still know the lore like the back of my hand. It's what kept me playing until the end of Wrath, but that's a whole different story about a half mad vendetta and the psychological need to break my foot off in Arthas' ass. (yes I'm saying that WoW nearly broke my sanity *twitch*)Laurie Barnes said:
I digress, LORE!
I started my WoW career as Horde and finished it as Alliance; 5 years on the same character. I played a Shaman, and while I never did any RP I was really invested in my character's on going story through the quest lines and raids. I never saw the Alliance as the enemy in the black and white sense that some players see them. They have just as rich a history as the Horde and have been involved in some equally gray territory when it comes to policy. Blizzard has done an amazing job of having both factions dance that line of good and evil so that from the single perspective of other side one is always going to seem worse than the other. Though delving into the lore of both sides gives a totally new perspective.
I could probably write a lengthy paper on the deeds of either side were there ever to be any kind of practical application for it. The tragic story of Prince Arthas, the internment of the Orcs after the second War, the War of the Ancients, and the retcon. OH MY GOD THE RETCON!! Movie Bob likes to talk about how comic continuity is weird but I've spent countless nights discussing at length continuity differences between WoW and the RTS games, the novels, the comics, the in-game books, the quests, the raids, the little niggling easter eggs hidden all over the world that are from the lore.
Crikey I stopped playing at the end of Wrath, lord knows what they've gone and changed since Cataclysm. This expansion crosses alot of stuff setup in The War of the Ancients Trilogy and the Day/Night of the Dragon novels, a few of the comics, even the early RTS games I think. There will be retcon or compromise between continuities at some point; mark my words.
Oh that's right, and they brought back Ragnaros with this latest patch, oh I bet money that's started digging around the Elemental Lords and Old God's bin of lore. Then there's Uldum adding more Titan lore to the mix; and the Worgen with Gilneas.
....I....I need a notebook...and a chalk board...some string...and an assload of sticky notes.
ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I intend to prove that, despite Genghis John's objections, the Alliance are inferior to the horde
exhibit A: the Humans consider themselves to be almighty and the orcs "Savages" despite any evidence to the contrary. I wouldn't trust any alliance race, but the Humans are the worst.
B: the Dwarves are alright, but so stereotypical. They match the TVtropes page to a T
C: the Draeni are pretty cool, but seem a bit, well,out of place. It's like if the Quarians showed up in LoTR.
D: Worgen. seriously. WTF
E:Nelves, my favourite of the original alliance races, but that's like saying "the smartest thing Paris Hilton has ever said". They're xenophobes who attacked the Orcs for FARMING! The Orcs needed wood, they needed to eat, so they cut down a few trees and suddenly the Elves are all over them. my first char was a Nelf, but I gave him up quickly in favour of a Forsaken. They 1st few quests are basically "kill these animals, or they'll die!" and then there's the whole quest from that Satyr...
F: Gnomes are actually pretty cool, but lack any common sense. i think i'll roll a gnome next time...
the only non-racist members of Alliance races are Jayna Proudmoor's people, but they got kicked out of the alliance for not being racist enough (well, sorta, they're still members, but no-one likes them because they associate with the Orcish riff-raff)
Shamus Plays WoW.
the Forsaken are decent, sure they're jerks, but so's Yahtzee and we all love him. Their leader is pure evil, but let's not let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Orcs are, for the most part, pretty friendly now that they're not possesed by demons
King Wrynn
blood elves are just hilarious. They're not supposed to be, but they just are
Goblins are steampunk, and steampunk is awesome
Trolls do NOT hate everone, they just don't suffer fools lightly and hold grudges.
Tauren are native american Ogres who know eactly where the Chaos Butterfly is, and how to make it flap it's wings.
the human's brutal attacks on Kobold territory, lampshaded in Shamus plays.
Maybe the Alliance would be alright if they added Panderan, like I thought they would in Cataclysm, but they just made a race that, until now, had tried to murder everyone good again. huh?
wow, this brings back old memories, I haven't played WoW in ages.
exhibit A: the Humans consider themselves to be almighty and the orcs "Savages" despite any evidence to the contrary. I wouldn't trust any alliance race, but the Humans are the worst.
B: the Dwarves are alright, but so stereotypical. They match the TVtropes page to a T
C: the Draeni are pretty cool, but seem a bit, well,out of place. It's like if the Quarians showed up in LoTR.
D: Worgen. seriously. WTF
E:Nelves, my favourite of the original alliance races, but that's like saying "the smartest thing Paris Hilton has ever said". They're xenophobes who attacked the Orcs for FARMING! The Orcs needed wood, they needed to eat, so they cut down a few trees and suddenly the Elves are all over them. my first char was a Nelf, but I gave him up quickly in favour of a Forsaken. They 1st few quests are basically "kill these animals, or they'll die!" and then there's the whole quest from that Satyr...
F: Gnomes are actually pretty cool, but lack any common sense. i think i'll roll a gnome next time...
the only non-racist members of Alliance races are Jayna Proudmoor's people, but they got kicked out of the alliance for not being racist enough (well, sorta, they're still members, but no-one likes them because they associate with the Orcish riff-raff)
Shamus Plays WoW.
the Forsaken are decent, sure they're jerks, but so's Yahtzee and we all love him. Their leader is pure evil, but let's not let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Orcs are, for the most part, pretty friendly now that they're not possesed by demons
King Wrynn
blood elves are just hilarious. They're not supposed to be, but they just are
Goblins are steampunk, and steampunk is awesome
Trolls do NOT hate everone, they just don't suffer fools lightly and hold grudges.
Tauren are native american Ogres who know eactly where the Chaos Butterfly is, and how to make it flap it's wings.
the human's brutal attacks on Kobold territory, lampshaded in Shamus plays.
Maybe the Alliance would be alright if they added Panderan, like I thought they would in Cataclysm, but they just made a race that, until now, had tried to murder everyone good again. huh?
wow, this brings back old memories, I haven't played WoW in ages.
Yeah, I've always preferred the Horde, they've never really been "bad guys" much more just some guys down on their luck who banded together. I've always liked the Tauren and they don't really give a damn about getting more land or anything, they just want the centaurs to bugger off so they can do there tribal religious stuff.
Although frankly I think the Undead really give the Horde a bad name, they are arguably the only really "evil" race, although the Blood Elves are pricks.
Although frankly I think the Undead really give the Horde a bad name, they are arguably the only really "evil" race, although the Blood Elves are pricks.
Just wait for Sargeras to return to become the main antagonist. Of course what do you do after Sargeras?[/quote]
Have the Goblins finish that rocket in Area 52 and send players to fight as WoW characters in the Starcraft and Diablo universes? That or one by one have players pick off the Titan pantheon.
Of course they could always just introduce new villains and stories to incorporate into the Warcraft universe. Though to be honest I think they'd really have to take a break and put out at least two more Warcraft RTS games before they do that in a WoW MMO before I could really start to care about them. Build up a new rogues gallery for their selection of Big Bads for the next Warcraft MMO.
Then again they could always put the Warcraft franchise to rest....pfft who am I kidding it's too much of a cash cow to do that.
Have the Goblins finish that rocket in Area 52 and send players to fight as WoW characters in the Starcraft and Diablo universes? That or one by one have players pick off the Titan pantheon.
Of course they could always just introduce new villains and stories to incorporate into the Warcraft universe. Though to be honest I think they'd really have to take a break and put out at least two more Warcraft RTS games before they do that in a WoW MMO before I could really start to care about them. Build up a new rogues gallery for their selection of Big Bads for the next Warcraft MMO.
Then again they could always put the Warcraft franchise to rest....pfft who am I kidding it's too much of a cash cow to do that.
Wasn't Thrall pretty much a slave much like Varian was? They'd be great buddies, you know, if it wasn't for that giant penis upon Varians head.
The only thing the Alliance humans have going for them in terms of being viewed as the 'good guys', is the fact that we are humans IRL. And being a human IRL, we all know just how horrible and destructive we truly are.
So in the end, the Horde are the good guys, and the humans just lie to themselves pretending to be all noble and shit.
Night elves aren't too bad, since they hang out with a few Taurens, like the Gnomes hang out with a few Goblins.
Hell, even the Dwarves have been known to be friendly to us.
The only thing the Alliance humans have going for them in terms of being viewed as the 'good guys', is the fact that we are humans IRL. And being a human IRL, we all know just how horrible and destructive we truly are.
So in the end, the Horde are the good guys, and the humans just lie to themselves pretending to be all noble and shit.
Night elves aren't too bad, since they hang out with a few Taurens, like the Gnomes hang out with a few Goblins.
Hell, even the Dwarves have been known to be friendly to us.
I don't care about race; and they're both kind of racist in their own way. Although every server I play on the Inn's town I'm staying in always gets invaded one-way-or-the-other by Alliance or Horde so I really don't give a fuck.
Gather a group of renegades and go crush them.Lord_Nemesis said:
I'm honestly torn nowadays...on the one hand, my best times playing the game have been as Horde, and I'll always be a Horde player at heart. On the other hand, I fucking love Worgen.
I don't understand why you come off as being angry over this topic, but I'm not trying to say that the Orcs are in any way better than the other races, simply that there's more to it.The Madman said:
Reference: http://www.wowwiki.com/Mannoroth
The implication is that the Chieftains were promised power of some kind, but were instead cursed with blood lust which allowed Mannoroth to control them. I hate it when people blame the entire group for something that a few individuals were responsible for, which is why I say Varian Wrynn is a douche bag who in turn makes the whole Alliance look like douche bags.
Despite what's going on in the game, Thrall has made numerous attempts at peace with the help of Jaina. Read Thralls wowwiki entry.
And I never blamed the Draenei for anything, it just so happens that when fleeing to a new world, they inadvertently brought the Burning Legion where the Orcs were discovered and later controlled.
Literally half the Horde is made up of warmongering, murderous, fel-blooded filth.
I'll stick to the Champions of Azeroth, thank you.
I'll stick to the Champions of Azeroth, thank you.