Seriously, WHY Do People Consider The Star Wars Prequels to be Horrendous?

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Calibanbutcher

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For me it boils down to child-anakin and Jar-Jar-Bings.
I hate the two so much, even thinking about them gives me heartburn and a rage nosebleed.

THE ACTING WAS SO BAD!

"ANGEL"S ARE ALWAYS A SIGN OF BAD WRITING!

THEY WERE JUST SO ANNOYING!
 

Adept Mechanicus

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GTwander said:
2) The acting of the prequels' main cast lacks SUBTLETY. Need I explain more? Hope not.
If that were true, every character would be hamming it up at every opportunity like they're trying out for a Brian Blessed imitation competition and that would be at least fun to watch. It's not, because nobody in the prequels ever emotes.

The main cast of the original turned out good results because they had a simple, emotionally weighty story to work with. The prequel actors have nothing to work with. The events of the prequels are just events. It might as well be a history documentary for all the dramatic weight that went into the dialog. Although that's not entirely true; Ken Burns documentaries have way more weight than anything in these scripts.

People do tend to forget some good things about the prequels though. The music is generally fantastic. The music in Episode 3 completely makes up for our lack of emotional investment in the script during the Order 66 scene. That scene only worked because of the music. It is also good that they at least tried to get some use out of Boba Fett, even though it makes no sense that all Stormtroopers have New Zealand accents when they didn't in the original. And yes, I read the Expanded Universe stuff that explains it away, but a movie has to stand on its own merit.

What I hate even more than the prequels is George Lucas' constant meddling with the originals. I only saw the Special Edition on VHS that came out in the 90s, but I'm still appalled. When I first found out that Han shot first, I thought "why the hell would anyone change this?!" When I saw the jazz band scene in RotJ, I thought "Why would anyone include this?!"

When I heard Lucas shopped Hayden Christensen into RotJ, I actually wanted to cry a little bit. It's like seeing a painter running through the Louvre with a box cutter slashing his own paintings. All this unnecessary shit is just distracting, and it means that future generations and film students will never experience the original simplicity and artistry of the original trilogy ever again.
 

MammothBlade

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I agree. As someone who watched The Phantom Menace before any other Star Wars films, I consider the prequels to be superior in many ways. I don't get the hatred for the prequels at all, it doesn't make any sense, with the exception of Jar Jar Binks. *cringe* Other than that, I won't hear anything bad about Episode I.

The lightsaber battles in Phantom Menace were great, and you got a feel of just how deadly the Sith could be. Attack of The Clones followed it up well, although the sudden arrival of the clone army seemed like something Lucas pulled out of his arse.
 

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My personal issue was the acting. The fight scenes were well choreographed but anything outside of a fight scene was anemic. Really the only actor that I personally felt wasn't thinking "I'm in a Star Wars film, BOW DOWN TO MY GLORY AS I DO SHIT!!" was Samuel L. Jackson. Hell, it's sad when the CGI characters seem less robotic than the live actors.

Overall it just felt that in any non-fight scene the actors were skimming the script and reading from a teleprompter during filming.
 

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MammothBlade said:
The lightsaber battles in Phantom Menace were great, and you got a feel of just how deadly the Sith could be. Attack of The Clones followed it up well, although the sudden arrival of the clone army seemed like something Lucas pulled out of his arse.
1. Lightsaber battles: How deadly the Sith could be? Darth Maul only killed one person. In the originals, we see Darth Vader just killing dudes right and left, regardless of what side they were on. A better way to show that would have been to show Darth Maul slaughtering an entire squad of Naboo before the Jedi catch up to him. Also, his fighting tactics suck. He spent like 2 minutes swinging his sword around the edge of the pit while Obi-Wan dangled helplessly below him. If he had just reached down and lightly tapped Obi-Wan's hand with his lightsaber, the fight would have ended. But he just stood there glaring at him.

2. Attack of the Clones: Does that strike you as a red flag? If they're in the goddamn title and they still feel like they were pulled out of an ass, that script clearly needed a drastic rewrite.
 

Twilight_guy

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Nostalgia and they were apparently weak from a film evaluation perspective (weak not terrible or the Manos levels that people like to say). Of course no movie, no matter how bad, is worthy of the eternal internet decry that has gone on for.. what over a decade? This goes beyond 'it was bad' to 'I am autistic and my focus in life is saying this over and over' levels.
 

LostCrusader

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The main problem that I had with the prequels (aside from what you mentioned) was the shifting of the droids as characters, especially the battle droids that the jedi/clones are fighting. In the phantom menace, they are very robotic the was that droids were in the originals. Then shift to revenge of the sith, and all of a sudden you have battle droids acting out three stooges scenes.

I don't think I hate on the prequels as much as most star wars fans, but that is mostly due to me being very selective in what I personally take as canon in those films.
 

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I didn't like prequels much but I am enjoying The Clone Wars tv show. Its ironic that I find the CGI Anakin more believable than his flesh and blood counterpart.
 

Rawne1980

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Let me count the ways....

Terrible, wooden acting that made ye olde Thunderbirds jealous.

God awful script.

Zero chemistry between the supposed love interests.

Zero chemistry between teacher and student. In EP3, Anakin and Obi had been together for years yet watching them together felt uncomfortable. It was like they had just met and were having an awkward conversation in a toilet stall.

Trying to have the Force make sense.

Bad, terribly fething bad, choice of actors to play certain roles.

Child Anakin.

JarJar.

Far too much CGI.

It just felt to me like someone had got his friends rounds, wrote a shit script, filmed it and slapped it together on his PC. Having seasoned actors like Neeson, McGregor and Jackson come across as amateur with quite possibly the worst performances i've seen from any of them.

The reason the first 3 did well was because Lucas was kept in line. Spielberg slapped his stupid ideas out of the way. The prequels didn't have that, they had unedited Lucas fuck ups.
 

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Adept Mechanicus said:
MammothBlade said:
The lightsaber battles in Phantom Menace were great, and you got a feel of just how deadly the Sith could be. Attack of The Clones followed it up well, although the sudden arrival of the clone army seemed like something Lucas pulled out of his arse.
1. Lightsaber battles: How deadly the Sith could be? Darth Maul only killed one person. In the originals, we see Darth Vader just killing dudes right and left, regardless of what side they were on. A better way to show that would have been to show Darth Maul slaughtering an entire squad of Naboo before the Jedi catch up to him. Also, his fighting tactics suck. He spent like 2 minutes swinging his sword around the edge of the pit while Obi-Wan dangled helplessly below him. If he had just reached down and lightly tapped Obi-Wan's hand with his lightsaber, the fight would have ended. But he just stood there glaring at him.

2. Attack of the Clones: Does that strike you as a red flag? If they're in the goddamn title and they still feel like they were pulled out of an ass, that script clearly needed a drastic rewrite.
You can't really say Darth Vader was super dangerous deadly. He only ever killed mooks. Yeah, it shows he's a badass, but it's not until Empire that we see how he goes against a real opponent
 

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Adept Mechanicus said:
GTwander said:
2) The acting of the prequels' main cast lacks SUBTLETY. Need I explain more? Hope not.
If that were true, every character would be hamming it up at every opportunity like they're trying out for a Brian Blessed imitation competition and that would be at least fun to watch. It's not, because nobody in the prequels ever emotes.
I don't know how you can bring up Boss Nass in the same paragraph you defend it with.

Anakin was hammy, Jar-Jar was so hammy he was honey-baked... the only people giving their roles some dignity were the big name players (Neeson, MacGregor, Portman and Jackson). They simply weren't enough to carry the weight of an unlikable MAIN and the CG circus that was all the additional stupid within it.

Vader had more character to him, and he was just a VOICE.
 

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They have terrible, terrible writing. Characters repeatedly act like idiots or act contrarily to their previous characterization, they are all have poorly thought out plots where the villain's motives and hero's actions make no sense and aren't justified within the context of the film.

Plus nothing in the whole civil war plot thing seems to have any actual consequences. We don't see any cities falling to ruin or civilians being hurt or a surge in poverty - nothing that you'd expect to see in a massive war actually happens. It all just occurs out of the way so that the Jedi have a reason to go fight things.

The set design is nice enough, but its far too clean and the aesthetic is all wrong and at odds with the originals.

The comic relief goes from being merely slightly painful to being full-on cringeworthy.

The shot composition is uninspired and boring.

Need I go on?


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The only good thing in any of the prequels is the score.
 

Raioken18

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Nah... there were fundamental problems with some of the scenes, especially the lack of a threatening Antagonist, the inclusion of one of the most annoying characters ever and the weak sauce chemistry between Anakin and Padme. At one stage he's like 10 and she's meant to be 16 but is clearly just Natalie Portman, then later on she's still Natalie Portman and he's an entirely different person and there's just no chemistry and some of the whiniest acting Portman has ever done.

What seemed to happen was they had CGI and stuff and tried to rely on that a little more, the ships and set pieces look amazing, but there was just nothing believable about the characters or the whole Darkside transformation to Vader.

But yes I do think we look through the original triligy with rose tinted glasses, however, the origin of Vader was always something you had no idea what had happened, it added mystery to the original trilogy, gave it a past and a sense of the devastation that the Empire had been able to cause. By removing that mystery there was just nothing behind it, I take that it was meant to be driven by Vaders jealousy and love, but with such terrible chemistry and acting... it was just wholly unmotivated as a movie.
 

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GTwander said:
I don't know how you can bring up Boss Nass in the same paragraph you defend it with.

Anakin was hammy, Jar-Jar was so hammy he was honey-baked... the only people giving their roles some dignity were the big name players (Neeson, MacGregor, Portman and Jackson). They simply weren't enough to carry the weight of an unlikable MAIN and the CG circus that was all the additional stupid within it.

Vader had more character to him, and he was just a VOICE.
You make fair points. I guess what I mean is that the ham was there, but it wasn't fun to watch. The kind of ham that's fun to watch is the kind where EVERYONE IS YELLING ALL THE TIME IN EVIL VOICES. YOU KNOW, THE DAWN OF WAR KIND!!!

In all seriousness, it says something about how bad it was that you can have both ridiculous overacting in some scenes and total lack of emotion in others from the same actor.
 

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I saw the prequels when I was a kid, having never seen the original movies and I enjoyed them a lot, in fact I love the prequels. I must admit though the Anakin character is the most poorly written annoying piece of shit.

Sure the prequels might be crappy writing wise but I really don't get the whole "OH MY GOD George Lucas ruined Star Wars I'm going to murder him and his entire family!" I mean have you ever considered just not watching the prequels? Its not like George Lucas recalled every single copy of the original movies and replaced them with the prequels. People are making a huge deal over nothing.
 

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While there are a number of reasons, most have already been said by other people, so Ill go for one that really grates me: midi-chlorians. To be percise, the idea that being able to use the force and be a Jedi are genetic, and not simply a matter of believing in it.
 

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WanderingFool said:
While there are a number of reasons, most have already been said by other people, so Ill go for one that really grates me: midi-chlorians. To be percise, the idea that being able to use the force and be a Jedi are genetic, and not simply a matter of believing in it.
Yeah, a million well-put dissertations on how 'the force' was ruined by killing it's mysterious/spiritual connotations have been made already. Basically, when Obi-Wan was saying "the force is in us all", he wasn't speaking in soliloquy, rather, he was giving a lecture about how space bacteria gives you magic powers. /FU_face

To me, one of the bevy of ways Lucas has shot his own work in the foot by trying to 'revamp' it to the point of a botched breast augmentation.

CriticKitten said:
But the most insulting part? The evil Empire of the original trilogy and the Emperor's dastardly evil plan all hinged upon a single event: Jar-Jar putting forth the motion to grant Palpatine emergency powers. WHAT. So the Empire exists only because of fucking Jar-Jar? The Emperor's brilliant plan to seize control of the galaxy relied on Padme appointing an oafish moron into her position? That is the ultimate insult, the ultimate middle finger. Now whenever you look at the Empire in the original trilogy, in all of its evil glory, you're forced to remember that all of this was made possible by the most obnoxious CGI character ever imagined. It's actually made the original trilogy harder for me to watch, knowing that the Emperor, who was supposedly this cunning mastermind in the original trilogy, hinged his bets on such a convoluted and moronic plan.
You and I should hang out sometime, I likes the way you think.
 

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It's probably because I was pretty young when I first saw them, but I didn't mind them. I loved the originals (But by no means understood them at the time), and the prequels were more of what I wanted at the time-lightsaber duels and space battles. Looking back, there are problems: Episode 1 has pretty much no purpose. It's a waste of time they could have spent in exposition, setting up stupid groups like the trade federation etc. The conflict on Naboo has no stakes for the audience, if they're looking for the rise of Darth Vader. Which is ostensibly what the prequels are about. On the other hand, Liam Neeson is awesome, and so is Ewan McGregor. I always took them to be the protagonists, so I enjoyed it well enough.

My gripes with the second:
Anakin is generally poorly played, and written. He's stupid, irritating, and doesn't learn from his mistakes. He's snarky in an unjustified smug way. We never see him fall from grace, he's an annoying kid, then he's an emo teenager in black robes who's already a rebel against the rules for seemingly no reason. Really, that actor is my main issue with the entire second film. The rest was pretty fun. And again, I'm a massive Ewan MacGregor fan, so that was good.

The third film has the problems of the second, combined with uneven tone, and the completely out of left field introduction of Grievous as the new "Dragon" (TV tropes) for the antagonists. And his tone is completely fucked. He could be a completely menacing figure-he's scary looking as hell, and could be a great villain. Instead, he's a comic relief gag. He's comical and cowardly. He's like the baby of a Battle Droid and Jar Jar. They aim at Greek tragedy with Anakin's final fall, but they end up just making the tragic failing of a supposedly great man, look like an idiotic teenager completing his fall into idiocy through pointless violence and slaughter. Also, the acting was kinda shite. There weren't any really good performances, but a lot of bad ones, and a lot of fourth wall breaking mockery of the film in general by characters. But Star Wars has never had self-aware characters, and the points they're mocking are plot induced stupidity, so why should we care? It's not crticism or examining the genre, it's them mocking the movie they're in for being as stupid as it is.

But, all of the movies present some really good fight scenes, brilliant Lightsaber duels, and space battles. Which would be why they made a ton of money anyway. They're certainly not really egregiously bad. They're just not as good as the originals. They're a bunch of slightly below average science fiction/fantasy/space opera/whatever the heck we call the genre films. The original had badass fight scenes, but also interesting characters, and an intriguing plot. The prequels have potentially more badass fight scenes, but few interesting characters, and no semblance of a sensical plot. I guess 1/3 isn't bad? I'd certainly rate all of them above egregious pieces of shit like any of the Bay Transformers, or the Starship Troopers sequels. They're mediocre. Of course, you can drag your way through the RLM videos (I only got through the first one. That guy annoys me as much as Jar Jar Binks.) and pick up a bunch of other points you hadn't considered for why to hate it which didn't actually have anything to do with why you disliked the movies, and were in fact, views you did not hold, and extend your criticism to a 3 hour length which doesn't actually explain your problems with it.

(Also, stop bitching about midichlorians, really. It's a stupid and inconsequential point, yeah, but I figure it solves the plot point of having characters be able to confirm force sensitivity. Apart from that, it's entirely inconsequential, and doesn't ruin the mysticism at all.)