Seriously, WHY Do People Consider The Star Wars Prequels to be Horrendous?

Recommended Videos

Andy of Comix Inc

New member
Apr 2, 2010
2,234
0
0
I just reckon George Lucas at some point stopped being a filmmaker and became a businessman. The prequels come off like a glossy reflective product with no heart or soul in them; the originals feel real, and deal with emotions. Also, giving George Lucas complete creative control was silly. Filmmaking needs to be collaborative.

Honestly, the Red Letter Media review will tell you why the film is bad. I don't like it because it is bad.

...that's an odd sentence.
 

Gatx

New member
Jul 7, 2011
1,458
0
0
I liked a lot of the bits and pieces, and I definitely enjoyed seeing more of the setting. Seriously, most of the original trilogy takes place on these backwater, remote planets (that consequently became way more important that they initially were in the EU because of their appearance in the movies). Basically, I liked the aesthetic more than anything else.
 

DalekJaas

New member
Dec 3, 2008
1,028
0
0
Because everyone is blinded by nostalgia, the originals aren't very good. Good for their time I guess but not anymore, the prequels are just as good.
 

Vault101

I'm in your mind fuzz
Sep 26, 2010
18,863
15
43
DalekJaas said:
Because everyone is blinded by nostalgia, the originals aren't very good. Good for their time I guess but not anymore, the prequels are just as good.
wrong

I saw "a new hope" back in 09 for the first time and I thorught it was friggen awsome

the prequels...not so much
 

Azeal

New member
Sep 19, 2012
47
0
0
I fucking liked the original trilogy. I like all the movies. Yes, Jar jar sucks, but I was 11 when the phantom menace came out. Back then, he was pretty hilarious. Yes, the love scenes were forced and weird. But R2-D2 was the same old R2 (maybe better), Obi-wan got some background, and the clone army was awesome. I honestly think all the spinoff of the prequel trilogy beats the spinoff of the original trilogy, although that's just my opinion.

So OP, not all of us hate them. I like 'em. I can understand why people don't, but come on, it's more Star wars. I'd rather have what we got than just the 3 original movies.
 

Something Amyss

Aswyng and Amyss
Dec 3, 2008
24,759
0
0
katsabas said:
I don't know. Throughout the 3rd movie, I was constantly repeating to myself 'please don't get mad and purge the entire Jedi order'. Hayden managed to get some emotion out of it but not as much as he could have. Anakin was not COMPLETELY unsympathetic (I mean, I got that he didn't join the dark side willingly) but other than that, I am pretty much where you are.
Anakin's departure to the Dark Side was largely governed by fridge logic, though. Combined with a wooden performance and even more wooden dialogue....

Episode 3 was the one I liked the most, but even at his best, Hayden was pretty bad.
 

Vault101

I'm in your mind fuzz
Sep 26, 2010
18,863
15
43
Andy of Comix Inc said:
Also, giving George Lucas complete creative control was silly. Filmmaking needs to be collaborative.

.
I dont know about that......

I think in any medium it can eather be a really really GOOD thing or a really really BAD thing

Mycroft Holmes said:
Lucas is an idiot who got hugely lucky and landed a series of projects with a lot of people more talented than him, that were willing to tell him to shut up on all his bad ideas.
true...I think thats part of the reason no one really cares about the Burton/Depp duo anymore

I dont see whats so bad about the original Idea for C3PO though....I mean I'd argue its as much execution as it is concept
 

Mycroft Holmes

New member
Sep 26, 2011
850
0
0
RJ 17 said:
Was it completely doomed from the start due to nostalgia for the first trilogy? Did those movies capture our hearts and imaginations as children and thus ensure that absolutely nothing could live up to that magic since NOTHING is after as good as it was for a child once that child becomes an adult (except the first Land Before Time movie...that is still a fantastic coming of age movie and no one will ever convince me otherwise :p).
No.

Red letter media explains why it actually sucks very well, and explains why the originals were good.

So no, it was not nostalgia it was a better made movie.

The project was doomed from the start because people had inflated opinions of Lucas, and Lucas had an inflated opinion of himself. The problem is that George Lucas was never good to begin with. His script was heavily edited by other people. Other directors did most of the work directing. The studio producing it told him to fuck off when he had bad ideas. And pretty much everyone working on the project went out of their way to ignore him. Harrison Ford ad libed lines because George Lucas wrote bad ones. An actor was offered money to play the part of c3p0 as an "oily snake salesman character" and refused to job and the money, telling Lucas to hire another guy and make the part into the C3P0 in the finished movie.

Lucas is an idiot who got hugely lucky and landed a series of projects with a lot of people more talented than him, that were willing to tell him to shut up on all his bad ideas.
 

katsabas

New member
Apr 23, 2008
1,515
0
0
Zachary Amaranth said:
Anakin's departure to the Dark Side was largely governed by fridge logic, though. Combined with a wooden performance and even more wooden dialogue....

Episode 3 was the one I liked the most, but even at his best, Hayden was pretty bad.
Yeah, that whole 'our baby is a blessing' scene is pretty hard to forget.
 

MrPeanut

New member
Jun 18, 2011
189
0
0
Vault101 said:
[quote/]Honestly, the trilogy is done, time to stop whining, it won't make the prequels go away.
....what?

he asked WHY they were considered bad and people told him...just because the matter is said and done it doesnt mean the reasons why the prequels are bad go away[/quote]

No, I meant in general, I swear, every time star wars is discussed, even if it's completely unrelated Expanded Universe content, it always comes back to whining about prequels.

Granted it's not for this topic but I just kinda let it out.
 

The Harkinator

Did something happen?
Jun 2, 2010
742
0
0
Many individual ingredients are great in the prequels, Obi-Wan, the Jedi temple, podracing, the aesthetics, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, the sith in general and several of the events.

But then you get the bad dialogue, the bad acting in a couple of vital places and the pointless stuff, a poorly written romance, Jar Jar. They spoil the thing.
 

F'Angus

New member
Nov 18, 2009
1,102
0
0
For me This:





Phantom Mencace gets a whole lot better when Darth Maul appears.

But then we're back to the kid again.
 

DSK-

New member
May 13, 2010
2,431
0
0
Flamezdudes said:
inb4 red letter media review.

I'l just post this here before anyone else to save trouble.

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/
Beat me to it.

OP: Go watch Plinkett's reviews for the other two prequels.
 

Casual Shinji

Should've gone before we left.
Legacy
Jul 18, 2009
20,519
5,335
118
Vault101 said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
Also, giving George Lucas complete creative control was silly. Filmmaking needs to be collaborative.

.
I dont know about that......

I think in any medium it can eather be a really really GOOD thing or a really really BAD thing
It really depends on who the creator is. If it's Stanley Kubrick, P.T. Anderson, or the Coen Brothers, sure.

But Lucas? Uh uh. That guy needs to be gaged and just let other talented people make use his special effects studio.
 

Baldry

New member
Feb 11, 2009
2,412
0
0
Daystar Clarion said:
Because they are horrendous?

'I had a dream about my wife dying and a Sith Lord told me he could save her, so I choose to ignore years of Jedi training to trust a Sith Lord even though said Jedi training would have involved me learning that Sith Lords are not to be trusted.

Also, I'll just go an kill all the young padawans for reasons.'


The writing is fucking awful.
What are you talking about, the writing's amazing, with gems like this "I don?t like sand. It?s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything?s soft... and smooth..."

My main reason is it didn't live up to it's potential as a star wars prequel. Terrible writing, over reliance on CGI, lackluster characters lots of reasons, it was just disappointing.
 

hermes

New member
Mar 2, 2009
3,865
0
0
There are issues. The level at which those issues affected your opinion of the movie depends entirely of how highly you regard the original, but:
1- They tried to change the genre of the series, from space opera adventure to science fiction. That is the reason why most people hated midiclorians.
2- They overused the green screen, to the point where everything looks fake. Interior shots, exteriors, conversations, monologues, characters, vehicles, fights, everything was shot in green screens. In some cases in understandable, but in others is overkill. If you could see them without the effects, all you could see 99% of the time would be people on wires mimicking in front of green walls. Speaking of which:
3- Acting is uneven at best and atrocious at worst. Some actors like young Anakin can't act, and others stumbled a lot with the asinine dialogue Lucas throw at them. Which reminds me:
4- Lucas can be a fairly good director, but he is lousy as a writer. Most of the dialogue comes out unnatural and awkward, and potentially emotional scenes come out as laughable. Which reminds me:
5- The love scenes... god! The love scenes. They are among the worst love scenes I have seen in my life. There are better scenes in any J-Lo flick, or Twilight. Two bricks have more chemistry than those two; and the scene when they are rolling in the field almost makes me puke. But the worst part is:
6- Its a movie made by marketers, which is worst than a movie made by concensus or a movie made by executives. There are entire sections, characters, lines or scenes that where there just to sell toys of it. Do you know why Jar Jar Binks appears in all the sequels, despite everyone hating him? Because Lucas saw that small kids responded positively to it. Do you know why there are 30 minutes of race in the first one that looks nice but leads nowhere? Because they wanted to sell you the toys (there are even videogames out of that single section). Did you see that small robot Anakin chooses to stand on the lava instead of, I don't know, a rock? Or the dozens Jedis that fight in the giant coliseum, which are not even named? Or each of the different creatures and vehicles? There are toys of those too, each sold separately.
 

MrFalconfly

New member
Sep 5, 2011
913
0
0
I dunno.

The least favorite one of the whole saga for me was Attack of the clones and that was because of the love story (which, because of my age of 14, wasn't as interesting as the battles).

Else I think the prequel trilogy are as good as the original.

This could of cause be because of my universal rejection of the concept of plotholes (if it isn't explained onscreen it's an interesting question waiting to be answered by you).
 

Signa

Noisy Lurker
Legacy
Jul 16, 2008
4,749
6
43
Country
USA
Oh look, this thread again.

Seriously, go fucking watch all three Redlettermedia reviews. If you still have questions after that, then we can discuss. I understand that is quite a time commitment to ask, but if you sat through all three movies at some point to have an opinion, this will take less time. Besides, they are entertaining as all hell.

I know you said you didn't want to count them in the discussion, but they are the basics of discussing the prequels. They dive into the things that affect the feel of a movie that audiences can't necessarily point out without an education in directing and movie making. None the less, those things still can sour how an audience feels about the movie, even if they can't put words to it. Jar Jar is a perfect example of that. People HATE Jar Jar, and yet he's just a figurehead for what is wrong with the movies, because he's far more tangible than the simple angle/reverse angle camera work. Jar Jar is, unfortunately, one of the least flawed things about the prequels.
 

Fappy

\[T]/
Jan 4, 2010
12,010
0
41
Country
United States
I think it boils down to: would they have been worth the time if they had not been Star Wars films? No. They are poor films that only made any amount of money due to brand recognition.

Would they have been better had they not been Star Wars films? No, but they wouldn't be hated nearly as much.

EDIT: Also obligatory Plinkett references:

"What's wrong with your faaaaace!?"
"I like to fuck my cat!"
"Oh.... that happened."