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Richard Keohane

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I agree with the original poster for the most part.

Have we allowed sex to become a loaded term, weighted down with hyperbole? Yes. Is sex physically difficult to do well? Yes. Is this HUUUUGE deal that society makes out of sex then hidden from us and taboo to talk about for most of our lives? Yes, and that is a rather large problem.

However, I think that the real problem with sex in our society is that most people don't really enjoy having sex, even though they feel biologically and sociologically compelled to seek it out. I think that the reason people don't enjoy sex is that society demands that you have to balance being good at sex with it being earth-shakingly good, and trying to do both can really kill the mood.

So really you're probably just doing it wrong if you don't think sex is worth it. Try this: Don't try to achieve mutual orgasm: try to give the other person an orgasm, focusing solely on their pleasure and fantasies, then enjoy them doing the same for you. For me personally, I can't enjoy sex as much when I'm trying to do both. There's an expectation that I'm going to maintain speed and rhythm that she enjoys, and bring her to orgasm, and then have an orgasm shortly thereafter. Unless you're biologically very similar this is bullshit. It takes a lot of concentration to gauge her reactions and maintain a physically demanding pace. By enjoying the fact that I'm doing a good job, being sexy and masterful at what I'm doing, I can enjoy myself while still only thinking about her. Then, I can REALLY enjoy getting off because the second time around I'm only focused on me.

Bonus 1: You start to have twice as much sex, and each round is twice as good.

Bonus 2: You also take the time out to find out what gets your partner off, and to tell your partner your fantasies. This period of talking makes for fantastic foreplay (see what I did there?), and is also deeply educational.
 

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I totally agree that sex is overrated. I'm biased though, being asexual. But I've tried a lot of things, from the pedestrian to the more unusual and yet I've never found anything close to the euphoria that books and films and music have taught me I'm supposed to feel.

Sex is just a thing. It's like eating a sandwich. Sure, the feelings/fillings are nice enough, but it's boring/just bread in the end.
 

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Alright, this thread really just amounts to a small personal rant/opinion so feel free to disagree or disregard it as the frivolous musings some dude on the internet. It's also pretty TL;DR so no need to point that out if it's the case. I also present a lot of problems in this thread without any proposed solutions (or even proof that they're "problems"), but, again, rant/opinion thread. I also want to preface this thread by saying that it is not my intention to imply that sex is bad or that people are horrible human beings for wanting to have sex (I think quite the opposite, actually), merely that I believe the value we as a society place on sex is not only excessive, but even potentially stifling and possibly that our entire perspective on sex is warped.

Now, this is written from the point of view of someone who isn't really an enormous fan of having sex. I'm not saying I can't appreciate sex or that don't enjoy it (though some people don't) or even that I think sexual intimacy isn't a crucial part of most relationships, merely that I don't put the same emphasis on it that many others do. This is from both from a relational and recreational perspective. That said, I was also a porn addict. This happened mostly because of a combination of the things down below.

I consider this problem to have two major facets. The first is that some people are just genetically predisposed to not being highly sexual, yet society and their peers make them feel as though this is a bad thing. The second is that our society itself (speaking primarily of American culture) is way too inundated with sexuality and sexual pressure as well as an unhealthy view of sex. This unhealthy view not just from the sex addicts, but the more conservative groups.

Now, to me anyway, the BIGGEST problem is actually the general avoidance or obfuscation of sexual concepts in regards to children. Many parents (even parents of today's generation) made the huge mistake of hiding sex from their kids. Not just the act of sex, but a lot of ideas and concepts about sex. It's much better to explain things to your kids (imo) than have them fumble about with their 14 year old girlfriend or learn about it from their friend's twisted misconceptions or to watch an unrealistic portrayal of it. That's an awesome way to mess up your kids. I'm not saying you should show your kids sex or that you should try and make it sound like some matter of fact, emotionless act, just that you should be open to talking to them about it. This poor communication often makes its way into the bedroom when the kid gets older, resulting in two people who barely know how to express their sexual needs to one another. This also brings me to a small side point about general female sexual needs that's so greatly misunderstood by a lot of men and even woman that it's amazing to me. The same can be said of men, but to a lesser extent. Another awesome way to mess up your kids is to make them feel guilty for having sexual thoughts or having some porn or whatever (though on a liberal website like this I don't think this a a revelation to anyone). It's also true that there are few better ways to ensure that a kid will want to see or do something (especially something that their very physiology clamors for) than to make it taboo. This is especially true with the copious amounts of sexual material floating around, which brings me to my next point.

Now I personally hate porn (especially the majority of porn I've seen) because I feel it creates unrealistic ideals in the eyes of men and woman while simultaneously making many of them feel inadequate in some way. It also objectifies not just genders (yes, BOTH genders), but also the act of sex itself. Resulting in a view that sex is more of a consequence-free, purely visceral act of pleasure than an emotionally potent and intimate act between two people who (hopefully) love each other (+ the occasional baby making). Now, again, I'm not trying to say that we should try and ban porn or make it all a bunch of mushy love making, but it's the EXTREME proliferation of porn within our society (thanks in no small part to teh intarwebs) as well as the predominant types of sex that are portrayed that bothers me.

Another problem I have is with the general air of sexuality that permeates throughout everything. TV ads, shows ranging from all different genres and age groups as well as video games, magazines, billboards, radio ads, etc. It's nearly impossible to NOT be exposed to enough sexual content that it's likely to permanently effect your sexual perceptions in the future (especially as a kid). Even as an adult, I'm so tired of seeing it and having it shoved down my throat. To me at least, excessive sex is psychologically stifling. My other issue with this is that sex is often used to manipulative ends (generally as a way to get your money). Sex sells, we all know this. The problem is that, whether we buy the actual product, the subconscious message is still there. Sex is a tool. I see this a lot in relationships and in the attitude of woman. I'm not trying to single out woman here, as I'm sure if woman were sexually simulated the same way men were than advertisements would likely show a lot more guys dancing around half naked on TV and we'd see a lot more male "gold diggers".(though both of those things exist). Of course a lot of people are selfish, and will use WHATEVER tools they have at their disposal to get into your wallet, but I'd guess all this sexual advertisement is partially to blame for that attitude. Also, don't think that a person needs to get cars or houses from you to be a gold digger, it can be as simple as getting you to pay his/her cell phone bill or something.

There are some people in the world (more than I think would admit) that aren't all that sexually oriented. Some are asexual, some are more emotionally sensitive in regards to sex, some are more sexually reserved, some have chosen to live a celibate lifestyle for one reason or another and some simply aren't really big sex people. Yet, in our society, it's hard to NOT become sexually jaded. Society pressures you into having sex with all its bandwagon logic via peers and movies. If you try and remain abstinent or refrain from sexual activity you're often chastised for it or laughed at. This point is so easily validated (in my mind) by the fact that "virgin" can practically be used as a dirty word past the age of 15/16. You constantly have sexual imagery shoved down your throat. Many to most things that are oriented towards "adult" audiences are slathered with a thick layer of sexual content. After a certain age to have sex is simply expected outside of small subcultures (that are mostly populated by fundamental extremists of the opposite persuasion). Of course this is more so true of men than woman, and there is something of a double standard in place in that regard (stud/slut), but I'm noticing a more equalized sexual shift in our culture (female rights movements and such likely playing a role). While this is nice, I guess, I still don't see this really helping the problem I'm presenting here. Now I'm not saying society should totally change to accommodate these people, but some consideration would be nice. This general societal view also makes it hard for people of that nature to come together. It's not easy, because sex is so expected and common-place that wanting to refrain for any period of time (especially if you're a 21 Y/O dude) makes you seem like either a "loser"/"virgin", freak or some extremist fundie. Not a great label.

The final problem I have with sex is that so many people feel like they NEED it. Now I understand the need for sexual release, and intimacy and that sex is life-affirming and that it's healthy, etc. But I think the casual attitude we have towards sex is also dangerous and how we're okay with it just being everywhere. I view it the same way I view technology, It's a WONDERFUL thing, but one must temper themselves and balance it with other aspects of their world. Even if one's life doesn't necessarily revolve around technology, to have it ever-present within one's life can still create problems. I feel that the same can be said of sex. Sometimes I feel like sex smothers other aspects of people's lives that deserve more attention or influences things that perhaps it should be influencing. I guess it comes down to our society often acting as though sex is the be all/end all (especially for the male half of the population) and wanting to aspire to something beyond or simply something more than sex (often hollow, empty sex) is mostly beyond the public sphere of consciousness. Dunno, these are mostly just a collection of thoughts so don't have much of a conclusion for you.
Woah, woah woah. Now, before I say anything, I agree that sex is overrated, many things are. But once you started about introducing sex to children at young ages, I was like, oh dear. I'll get to that in a minute, though, first I want to say that yes I agree, sex, money, popularity, good looks, etc. are all overrated, and highly advertised. But there's nothing wrong with it, know why? For some people, that is what their lives are all about. Some people's lives are all about gaming, and for them exist the video game ads, merchandise, posters, soundtracks, gaming hardware, etc. Its what we live for. Music fanatics, movie buffs, etc, sports fans... all types of people have their overrated highly advertised addictions. There's nothing bad or wrong with that, that's how a society works. It is flexible so that more than one type of person can be accepted. If it bothers you that sex is highly advertised, you need to learn to not let it bother you and accept that you're just not that type of person, and that its not really being advertised to you specifically, but to those who desire it. I'm positive that when video game ads come on TV for someone who doesn't play them, they think the same thing "ugh why is this crap on my TV?" Its for you, and for me. It doesn't apply to them, let them have their fun, we have ours.

Now, about introducing sex to children at a young age, in your opinion it may be a good idea, and it MAY work for the occasional person who has self control and isn't foolish... but most children are foolish and don't have self control. You don't introduce certain things to children at certain ages because its almost guaranteed to harm them or to cause them to come to some form of harm, and has been proven as such by trial and error of parents in the ages past. Its not like we all threw our arms into the air and made axioms for no reason. There are certain things that are fundamental and its for a reason.

Usually, when told not to do something children run off and do it, half out of curiosity, half out of rebelliousness. Being a good parent is about having good judgement, and telling your child everything out of a fear that they won't be able to comprehend it or be wise later in life, is exercising poor judgement. You can't just fill a child with 'everything' telling them all kinds of adult related things. You'll terrorize the kid, and THAT will mess them up. I can speak from experience because certain things were introduced to me at a young age, and I struggle with fears because of it, that other people don't have to. I'm not the best at articulating my thoughts to making them interesting, but I hope I was of some kind of help.
 

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Shawn MacDonald said:
Colour-Scientist said:
Shawn MacDonald said:
Know some guys just snap and take it personally, commit rape.
Not to single you out but this is a horrible misconception, men don't just decide that they aren't getting enough and go out and rape someone. Rape rarely has anything to do with sex, it's more related to control and deeper psychological issues. It's not a case of 'I haven't had sex for ages, I know, I'll rape someone.'

I'm amazed that men don't give themselves more credit on that topic instead of portraying themselves as rabid, sex hungry maniacs. It would also get rid of the perspective that a girl brings it on herself if she dresses in a revealing way.
Can't say that with hundred percent facts. Yeah I have watched programs on netflix that interview prisoners. Of course they get some rapists on there. Got guys that have said that they were tired of being alone and took out their anger on some poor girl. Of course it's not right, but it happens. Normal thinking males will do other things and would never think to force themselves on somebody. Alot of the rapes happen just like you described. Looking at something and then saying it only happens one way is not a very good opinion on some matters.
If people knew exactly why they were rapists, they probably wouldn't be rapists. If you're alone there are far easier methods to get laid than just raping someone. I don't think Netflix documentaries are an author active source on the subject, to be frank. I'm not saying it happens one way, 'psychological issues' addresses a broad spectrum, my point was that it's never as simple as wanting to get off with some hot chick.
 

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Some say that sex is overrated, but they just ain?t doin it right.

- Ludacris

Words to live by. Unless you're asexual, of course, in which case sex actually is overrated from your POV.
 

geK0

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Yea it is a little annoying how sex-oriented culture can be sometimes; I like sex as much as the next guy, but I resent the fact that some people would see me in a negative way for not getting it every week. I mean, I catch a fair handful of people's interest, but seldom make sexual advances on them... does that make me a loser? : \
 

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Really long text, but I read it. What bothers me is that you keep saying "our society" or "today." You have to realize that sex has always been a very important part of mankind's lives. It is definitely not "overrated", it's just that people sometimes have a bizarre relationship with the act. That's all.
 

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shrimpcel said:
Really long text, but I read it. What bothers me is that you keep saying "our society" or "today." You have to realize that sex has always been a very important part of mankind's lives. It is definitely not "overrated", it's just that people sometimes have a bizarre relationship with the act. That's all.
Of course it has always been an important part of mankind's lives, but I'm talking specifically about today's cultural perceptions and presentation of sex. It doesn't matter how they viewed sex 100 years ago just like it doesn't matter what sort of woman's rights they had 100 years ago. What matters is now (though history is always a good reference point for things). Also, internet porn, pressure to have recreational sex early (as opposed to marrying), sex appearing everywhere and a few of the other things I mentioned are a bit more exclusive to our modern day culture. I used "overrated" as more of a tagline to catch people's attention (a more accurate summation of my post might have garnered less views). It is overrated, but not in the sense that it's not an integral part of reproduction/relationships, just in the sense that many people seem to put too much emphasis on it in most aspects of their lives and in the lives of others.
 

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Basically, my point is that it's not that sex is over-estimated, just mis-represented.
If I were to boil down my response to a single sentence, it would be this.

But I'm going to go for a few sentences, rather than a single one.

Basically, I'll say what I usually say to this sort of thing. There is a huge difference between SEX and between MUTUAL MASTURBATION. What it seems most people have, what it is you say to be overrated, is mutual masturbation. Two agreeable people using each other as physical conduits through which to get off. There's no attachment, no meaning, just a little fun between two people. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay that. It has its place (I believe) and it can be fun, but I would certainly agree and call it overrated.

SEX is something done between two people to enact an emotion felt, and it is beautiful, complex, confusing, complex, and a whole mess of other things that make it all the more worth it. SEX, when defined as I just have, is no where close to overrated. In fact, I would say that society as a whole UNDERRATES it. Most people seem to scoff at such things, seem to think it's a relic of an age past with no place in today's pleasure-me-now society. But nobody that has truly experienced the above-described would tell you that sex is overrated. Not unless they're bitter over love lost, in which case they have some healing to do before they try to offer advice on sex/love :)

On the subject of porn, I'll say this: Personally, I can spend quite a while with porn. Not because I'm watching lots of it, but because it takes me a long time to find something that I find both believable and attractive enough to watch. I agree, that there's a lot of objectification going on. I was talking to my girlfriend yesterday and we came to the subject of erotica. And it struck me that erotic literature is basically her porn. It's not visual, but it stimulates the mind, gets her into a mindset and makes her feel something beyond just a physical reaction to seeing genitalia. It seems to me that if porn could take some of that to heart, there could be a lot of potential.

But there's another half to that problem, being of course society. Anyone who's taken a sociology class (or has half a brain) knows that social institutions have a give and take relationship with society. Porn is no different. Some of the best material I've found was stuff made in the 70's and 80's, back when it still seemed they cared about setting a mood. Hell, looking back, it seems to me like half the porn actresses back then had more talent than half of Hollywood today. There was a shift, over the years, away from that and toward visual stimulus intended to get you off now not later. This wasn't some grand scheme of the pornography industry to steer people away from meaningful sex. Porn is a business, and they do what they can to make as much money as possible. As such, they simply followed a trend in society, followed what they thought they needed to do to appeal to as many people as possible and make money.

So now we have this shallow, hollow sex to view. New adolescent boys, entering that special stage of your life where lotion and tissues always seem to be in short supply, have only this shallow input. And what they take away from it, what those that view it learn about sex, is disheartening.

Of course, parents should still be involved. I really believe that, but I find that most people learn far more through porn than their parents unfortunately. It's an awkward conversation and parents seem to be content to let schools do it, or to just ignore it altogether.
 

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Sex is great when you're 15-25. After that it slowly becomes more and more unappealing and pretty much 'an effort'. Porn is a big problem that messes a lot of people up sexually later in life. Porn is fine for anyone younger who can pretty much get off to anything, but it using it to get off will destroy your sexual imagination and cause you problems of a sexual nature later in life. I'm trying to be as vague as possible but at the same time anyone who's had any experience of sex can likely understand what I'm getting at. If you're having any problems of a sexual nature the first thing you should do is quit watching porn, (then give it several weeks to start noticing results).

Once the appeal of sex wears off intimacy and/or love is the only thing that's going to matter to you. And if it doesn't you will likely be part of a string of failed relationships that never last more than four years.

Finally, if you can't learn to live without sex, you're going to be really bored in your old age.
 

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Pretty good thread. I share a lot of views that you do and I do believe that virgin has become a dirty word among society.

It's no different for those who are sober or do not drink as much alcohol as other (largely portrayed in the media). Like virgins, people often tease someone who is sober or not a social drinker and tempt them to do the dirty deed (in the case of drinking, get them f***ing drunk).

It's sickening and bothersome that many want people to "go with the flow" because "everyone is doing it" rather than making a conscious, personal decision and having that decision respected.
 

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i didn't read the rant, but I skimmed some of the parts that others reacted to. I do agree that society's portrayal of women, and even men to a lesser degree, is insane and downright insulting to 99% of the population. I've never found the typical hollywood/runway model look anywhere near appealing. I prefer a woman that actually looks like a fucking woman. Imperfections are a good thing. it makes you human. And it makes your better qualities all that more appealing. i don't think sex is overrated as far as the actual act. It's one of the most fun/intense/amazing feeling things you can do, depending on who it's with. But as a necessity for social acceptance, it's totally overblown.
 

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axlryder said:
Chefodeath said:
You know, it's not that I disagree with your points as much as I just couldn't care less. It's a simple act no more phenomenal than that of eating.
well I'm so glad you decided to weigh in. Also, I'd say eating is pretty interesting when you think about it.
frankly, eating is more phenomenal in that you need to in order to continue living.

anyhoo, yeah, i agree pretty much. don't really know what else to say.
 

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You're touching on much deeper things, but aren't quite there yet. Most animals are literally built such that sex is their primary objective in life. Some animals are exceptions to this rule, but for the vast majority of them, this is the case. The fact that people bring up eating isn't coincidental. Only once our most basic happinesses have been satisfied or overridden can we look more carefully at our lives as our own.

Porn itself has existed as long as it has because it takes advantage of our basic instincts. As long as the population of the world is growing, the young and sexually active will outnumber the old, and it will continue to be profitable to objectify sex. By the time they have the firm grounding in self confidence and life experience required to see through this, they will already have been subjected to the same pains you have experienced.

Of course things could change, but until then, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

I understand your desire to change things. One thing modern society has that wasn't true in the past is it is becoming more acceptable to talk about these things. If you really want to help, work with kids and teens and discuss the issues openly when it comes up. Just be sure to stay within the bounds of child-protection laws. Alternatively write a book that expresses your own issues in a way others can relate to. Even still you can become a political activist.
 

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Can't see how watching something on Netflix is any different than watching it on t.v. Yeah I can't really see the point of getting into an argument here because I know I am right. Of course what you said is right as well, but sometimes it's alot more simple. Got men out there just made a very bad mistake. Oh no, I probably should not have robbed that bank because I needed the money. Not going through any kind of mental trauma, he just did it for the cash. Alot of guys get pissed off and decide they are going to force themselves on somebody. Lets not overthink all the time, sometimes the answer is just a bad choice with a horrible aftermath.
It isn't any different, they're both shit for getting information on things like this.

I can see why you think the way you do if you're one of those people who equate rape with robbing a bank though.