Sexism against men

[GraveeKing]

I approve of this thread. I agree with this thread. If I was a feminist who thinks women should be getting equal rights I'd be offended that we seem to handicap ourselves so much for them so we can pave the road for them. That's pretty sexist if you ask me!
It has become very sexist towards men these days. The difference is, all the overly stereotypical heterosexual men out there are just going to shrug it off and go along with it so they can still get the girls rather than actually agree with it. Not to say all heterosexuals ARE like that but still you get my point.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

 

[Nulmas]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

Anyway, yeah, it's a problem. But, in my opinion, it's a problem that's solving itself.

Most women I know get pissed as hell with this kind of thing because they honestly feel men should be treated equally.

Actually, most women I know abhor feminists. They think of them as extremists mostly because the ones they know tend to be.

Don't worry, guys Things we'll even out eventually.

 

[RagnarokHybrid]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

I feel like I shouldn't field this but that's not really true. Biologically, guys get hard whether or not they want to. And they may not get hard even though they do want to. The body and the mind are sometimes separate beings altogether.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

im a guy, and im sure female rape victims have a right to be paranoid and scared, but id b pretty ok about being raped by a woman. i think its not rape if you enjoy it.

 

[retyopy]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

Sorry, I'm tired and I'm being an idiot. My brain is completely fried. I'm just auto-posting. That doesn't exscuse me being an idiot, but cut me some slack.

 

[Adeoma]

So ive actually done alot of research into this and our roles as men form the begging has always been towards one goal, gaining and protecting women. we may have done alot of thing that seem like sexism but in our internal instincts man had never stopped putting woman at the top of his list. if you delve into the english language you can see the inner laden foundation to a society where women are considered pure and clean and men are dirty and evil. if there is a news story about a robbery and a man was the suspect they call him a suspect if it is a woman they say female suspect because labeling a woman as the guilty party and not the victim is very strange to our tongue when we say it. when we say angel we think of a woman with wings if you think of the word demon or devil a image of a man with horns is the usual norm. and if you think of the psychology of modern day media especially in television. men are portrayed as dumb dopey slow witted failures while the woman has to slowly shake her head and clean up the mess.

At my college there are rules in place that the women's areas of the dorms have the easiest access to the laundry and lounge while the men's areas force the men to got outside to reach these parts of the building. the women's restrooms are given double the funding to remodel with some even have a "bathroom lounge". the mens restrooms are in poor repair and never cleaned.

I would have to say that women in modern society have taken their victimized positiona nd reversed it into a power over the opposite sex. instead of men being overtly sexist pigs they are now subdued and compliant fearful of being labeled as sexist to the poin they must walk on eggshells around such issues.

CASE IN POINT- why is this awkward to discuss when it wouldnt be if we were talking about sexism against women?

 

[Gaiseric]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

Drugs, viagra, a woman could use a device to penetrate a man, or the guy is tied down and doesn't want it but his body reacts anyway(I don't know about you but I can't always control that). There was that story of the guy who tried to rob a store and the woman tied him up and raped him for 3 days.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013870/Robber-broke-hair-salon-beaten-black-belt-owner-kept-sex-slave-days--fed-Viagra.html

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

Sorry, I'm tired and I'm being an idiot. My brain is completely fried. I'm just auto-posting.

Don't sweat it, I admit the 'Deal with it' poster wasn't particularly mature of me either. Although I still stand by my point that sexism against men occurs far more infrequently than the inverse.

 

[retyopy]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

Sorry, I'm tired and I'm being an idiot. My brain is completely fried. I'm just auto-posting.

Don't sweat it, I admit the 'Deal with it' poster wasn't particularly mature of me either. Although I still stand by my point that sexism against men occurs far more infrequently than the inverse.

And I stand by my point that just because its on a smaller scale, it can't be ignored. But I see what you're coming from.

 

[retyopy]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

Drugs, viagra, a woman could use a device to penetrate a man, or the guy is tied down and doesn't want it but his body reacts anyway(I don't know about you but I can't always control that). There was that story of the guy who tried to rob a store and the woman tied him up and raped him for 3 days.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013870/Robber-broke-hair-salon-beaten-black-belt-owner-kept-sex-slave-days--fed-Viagra.html

I just want to say that there would be riots if the positions were reversed.

 

[Jonabob87]

Personally I think this is to do with women being encouraged to be more like men, while men are encouraged to be more like women.

The sexes are different but equal. However any time discrimination is overturned there's a swing in the balance and the people who discriminated get discriminated against instead (for a while at least).

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

This statement may be cliche and stereotypical, but have you ever heard of prison? That's the one place people counting rapes do not dare travel.

Anyways, if we're going for the "numbers" thing, how many women are expected to be strong, valliant, and blah blah blah tough blah blah blah?

Samus Aran because her toughness is why we love her.

But still, men are subjected to stereotypes just as often as women.

Proof:

Duke Nukem. Sure, he's pretty much a satire on male action heroes, but he is the LIVING EMBODIMENT of male stereotypes. And he picks up shit literally out of a toilet and throws it around a room. Why was DNF made again?

Anyways, stereotypes blah blah blah and yeah. Stereotypes.

 

[ZiggyE]

So because my ancestors treated women unfairly, I deserve to be treated unfairly by women?

Yeah, the argument, "we had it bad" doesn't apply. It's justifying a flawed society and it needs to stop.

I still stand by my point that sexism against men occurs far more infrequently than the inverse.

That isn't true at all. Sexism against men happens all the time. Sure, just because men get raped less doesn't mean sexism doesn't occur. Pretty much nearly every custody case, which happen every day, is balanced in the women's favour. That's sexism.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

Here is an Tv trope page about Double standard:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandard

Go under the first folder, and RAAAGE.

 

[automatron]

You ever try and balance a pencil on your finger?

Go get a pencil, but put it on your finger really lopsided (but don't let it fall).

Then try to adjust it to balance it out.

What happens? The pencil ends up leaning the other way, doesn't it? It's now unbalanced, but in the opposite direction.

And when you try and put it back, the same will happen.

After some deliberation, you'll finally have it balanced on your finger... but it'll always wobble to and fro.

Think of sexism like that. Women started on the harsh end of things. Right now, though we don't have it nearly as bad as they did, men have it kinda bad. Some people might call it "reverse sexism" even though that makes no fucking sense and they should be slapped. Soon enough, though, it'll balance out, but that inequality will always be there, even if it isn't obvious or huge. The scales will always wobble. We just need to learn to deal with it when it comes.

What a great way to explain it.
I can't think of anything better than this.

 

[Seventh Actuality]

Sexism against men is there, but if you think women have it better now then I want to live in your fucking world. Misogyny is ingrained into society and while women might have equal rights (in a handful of the more developed countries in the world) under law, the practice is still very different.

Does this make sexism against men any better? No, but the notion that that's somehow tied into women's rights going "too far" is complete fucking bullshit on every possible level.

What both feminists and men's rights activists (the actual men's rights activists, not the people who use "men's rights" as a veil for misogyny) both badly need to realise is that they should be on the same side. Men should campaign against misogyny, feminists should protest misandry - that's where equality actually lies. But fuck it, myopia is so much easier.

/srsface.

 

[Crazycat690]

Yes, and the worst part about it if men protest and say how bad sexism against men is, they're simply called sexists. It's an evil cycle.

 

[ElectroJosh]

Right, so when an article comes up about a woman who was raped, I suppose I'll just post that picture. What? I'm a horrible person for saying that? Deal with it.

Firstly, men are not raped in nearly the same numbers as women. Secondly, that was totally fucking capricious and wildly extreme. I was merely saying that sexism against men really is practically a non-issue and that you and many others like you are making way too big of a deal out of something that occurs far more infrequently when compared to the figures of discrimination of literally every other minority there is. What the hell did any of that have to do with rape?

Sorry, I'm tired and I'm being an idiot. My brain is completely fried. I'm just auto-posting.

Don't sweat it, I admit the 'Deal with it' poster wasn't particularly mature of me either. Although I still stand by my point that sexism against men occurs far more infrequently than the inverse.

And I stand by my point that just because its on a smaller scale, it can't be ignored. But I see what you're coming from.

The truth is that people are nasty to each other regardless of gender and sexual orientation. That much is true.

However there is a big difference between a few adverts and tv shows portraying men as silly/incompetant and the fact that, as a man, you have less barriers in life dictating what you can and can't do - this includes societal pressures as to what your carreer should be and what you are good at. Studies have shown that it is still easier to get hired for a job (assuming qualifications, experience and skills are equal) if you are a man than a woman. The same goes for promotions.

Thats something to be concerned about. Certain industries are still very conservative and hire far more men than women. I never realised this until my wife, an architect graduate, started looking for work. She graduated with first class honours and only had about three or four better students from that graduating class of around 100. Now she still hasn't got a job in the industry. I know there is recession on but some of her fellow graduates have and they are pretty much all the guys.

I did not realise this until recently but architecture is very male-dominated. Some will argue that this is because more men study it - not true; equal amounts of men and women study and graduate in the field (at least in my country). Some may say that she doesn't interview well - but she doesn't even get to the interview stages of the jobs she applies for. You could say that her CV/portfolio isn't up to scratch but her friends all compared each others (worked on them together) and her's was used as a model example by most of them. The thing is; the guys got interviewed but the girls didn't. This even includes former classmates of her's who failed courses and had to repeat semesters.

Now that sounds like and anecdotal piece of information so I did a bit of digging into the employment stats (I don't have them onhand) and found that architecture is consistently like this in many other countries. Other industries also tend to show this bias. A bias, not against the unskilled and untalented, but against those without a penis.

So until that kind of shit goes away there is always a place for feminists. A couple of humourous charecterisations of men is hardly comparable to barriers to employment (and don't get me started on how people pressure women to work in certain areas because they are easier for when its time to "start a family").

 

[zehydra]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

right, because a boner = consent.