SEXISM! What's with the standards?

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I don't really understand why you're so upset about everything, he won fair and square it seems. Just because your cousin got hit by a car during the contest doesn't mean you should have given up.

Wait, what?

The whole point was to settle the crisis from before, when he visited that building he violated his contractual obligations. It clearly stated that he is supposed to abide by all company regulations.

Ah, but the contract also explained that he was required to bring at least fifteen baby seals to the delivery chute on a monthly basis. Clearly he was well within his rights to step inside the vortex to go to take a dump.

 

[chadachada123]

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You see, guys always seem to have tales of some woman who overreacted to some accidental physical contact and ruined the livelihood of a good, hard-working man. But there are countless stories of women experiencing something exactly like what my mother experienced above. Many of them never even file complaints or reports, just try to convince themselves it never happened. Why do you think women overreact to such situations? It might be because they're afraid. Because they've grown up in a culture of fear created by years of men exploiting their positions, and women being powerless to prevent it.

Why do women fear sexual harassment? Why do they constantly fear rape? Because it happens, and it happens all the time.

Two things, though. 1) A TON has happened since your mother was young, and that would never fly, ever, in the vast majority of the first world.

2) We now have cases like the OP where men are having their lives ruined over literally nothing, partly due to an overreaching in the legal system. The legal system being well-intentioned but ill-worded, in many cases, or still being filled with prejudice (see: custody, alimony, domestic violence, sexual harassment, etc).

Bonus point: Guys being screwed over by women calling "rape" after regretful sex with said man. What sucks about this is that there's no way to know how many guys are innocent or not, and how rarely women are investigated for sexual assault.

Tl;dr, this isn't the 1980s, your anecdote is invalid. Sucky, for sure, and I hope that that manager rots in hell, but no longer relevant. Unless you live in, like, Ukraine or something.

*EDIT* Before anyone replies to this, I should point out that there are parts of the US that are still incredibly fucked up, especially when extremist religion is involved. Girls being raped by pastors and then being forced to APOLOGIZE in front of their church for being raped. This stuff (disgustingly) still goes on in the US and elsewhere today, and absolutely must be stopped. But it can't be stopped if it risks the lives of men as well.

Girls can have their social lives wrecked by being known as a "slut," yes, but guys can have their social lives permanently destroyed by *one* accusation of pedophilia/interest in children, or some other harassment/molestation-related thing. Not trying to say that one has it "worse" or anything, just that both of us have it kinda shitty right now, as opposed to twenty years ago where women had it plenty worse than men.

 

[Darius Brogan]

While we're on this topic, why is it that any MALE claiming sexual harassment is pretty much told to man-up and quit being a fucking pussy?

Yes, because everyone besides you is some faceless group that is just unfathomably inconsistent. How about the people who tell them to man up etc are sexists and not necessarily people who really care about equality? The people that say that kind of shit about manning up and people being pussies tend to be obnoxious, overly macho, and pretty clearly sexist.

What do you mean 'everyone besides me'?

I'm talking about how you're treating all the other attitudes you find in people as if they're supposed to be consistent with each other.

It's a prevalent mentality shared by a vast majority of the male and female genders, a number of whom have already exhibited, in my presence, their distaste for gender inequality.

Contradictions about in this society, and while they no longer surprise me at all, I'm still quite entitled to be curious as to why they've yet to die out.

Prevalent? Your evidence is what, your personal experience?

My evidence is the personal experience of everyone I've ever met, and likely everyone anyone on the planet has ever met.

Sexism has become so ingrained into society that small forms and hints are constantly used by almost every living human on the planet, except those paranoid enough to moderate every single facet of their speech at all times in which they are in contact with any other human being alive.

My personal experience is astoundingly large, yes, but that's only because of how many times I've moved to different places in the last twenty years.

Oh hah, okay so you're just BSing this, now trying to pretend you can cite people you haven't met. Well the only group you can speak for, namely the people you've met, are insufficient. There's a reason they conduct studies instead of pulling some random know-it-all and asking about his personal experiences. No matter how much he's moved around and how large he thinks it is.

And yeah, there's a lot of it. Which of course doesn't justify that nonsense where you talk as if there's a double standard in your OP. Maybe some, but really the kind of talk you cited sure doesn't sound like it comes from anyone I know who claims in any serious way to be against sexism.

Yeah, I'm BSing, exactly. Totally hit the nail on the head.

I, and EVERYBODY I'VE EVER MET, have all experience situations in which a double standard in regards to sexism caused problems.

I nearly got expelled from school for grabbing the wrist of a girl trying to scratch my eyes out.
My brother got kicked in the nuts and called a chauvinist pig for pointing out that chivalry died with the feminist movement.
A random guy in a supermarket one day got cussed out for telling a woman to cool down, he was in line before she was. (I was behind that woman)
And I could name dozens of other accounts I've witnessed or been part of.

So yeah, I'm totally BSing here. Just kinda talking about nothing that means nothing. But hey, you know more than I do simply by assuming I'm talking from ONLY my personal experience, right? Nobody I've ever met after they was kicked in the sack, told to man-up or quit being a pussy?
No virgin I've ever met was ever belittled by women for being a virgin, right?
No woman any of my acquaintances has ever met assumed they should open the door for her because 'They're a man'?
No woman has ever bitched out my stepfather for doing ^just that^, because he somehow thinks women are too weak to do it themselves?
My friend Justin wasn't dumped by my own sister for not being enough of a man?

No human ever has ever been affected by the double standard of sexism specifically because it didn't happen to ME PERSONALLY, right?

I thought so.

Surprise, surprise. Idiotic and illogical rant. I don't give a fuck about everybody you ever met. Neither does any kind of legitimate study. Your personal experiences? Biased and untrustworthy. No, you are not somehow smarter than the people who decide how to conduct studies and do not have the magical ability to decide things on a societal level where they need to do so much more to.

Also, get a fucking grip. Did I say such things never happened? No. Are you just incapable of reading properly, or are you being deliberately dishonest because I called you on your bullshit? Can't handle not making things up?

Yeah, I thought so.

Wow, surprise surprise, a wannabe intellectual.

Yes, you did say it never happened, because your 'I'm just BSing' implies just that.
I'm bullshitting you. Fucking around. Joshin ya. JK JK, lol.

It's not idiotic or illogical, 'cuz, y'know, all those things actually happened, to people other than me. Making them not personal experience.

You can believe whatever you feel like believing. If you want to think a pink honkeycorn princess broke into your room and did horrible, unspeakable things to your favorite teddy-bear who then committed suicide, it's entirely up to you.

Everything I've said thus far has been entirely truthful.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

It's moments like this that remind me how much are justice system and society is merely a bad joke.

 

[XandNobody]

While we're on this topic, why is it that any MALE claiming sexual harassment is pretty much told to man-up and quit being a fucking pussy?

Yes, because everyone besides you is some faceless group that is just unfathomably inconsistent. How about the people who tell them to man up etc are sexists and not necessarily people who really care about equality? The people that say that kind of shit about manning up and people being pussies tend to be obnoxious, overly macho, and pretty clearly sexist.

What do you mean 'everyone besides me'?

I'm talking about how you're treating all the other attitudes you find in people as if they're supposed to be consistent with each other.

It's a prevalent mentality shared by a vast majority of the male and female genders, a number of whom have already exhibited, in my presence, their distaste for gender inequality.

Contradictions about in this society, and while they no longer surprise me at all, I'm still quite entitled to be curious as to why they've yet to die out.

Prevalent? Your evidence is what, your personal experience?

My evidence is the personal experience of everyone I've ever met, and likely everyone anyone on the planet has ever met.

Sexism has become so ingrained into society that small forms and hints are constantly used by almost every living human on the planet, except those paranoid enough to moderate every single facet of their speech at all times in which they are in contact with any other human being alive.

My personal experience is astoundingly large, yes, but that's only because of how many times I've moved to different places in the last twenty years.

Oh hah, okay so you're just BSing this, now trying to pretend you can cite people you haven't met. Well the only group you can speak for, namely the people you've met, are insufficient. There's a reason they conduct studies instead of pulling some random know-it-all and asking about his personal experiences. No matter how much he's moved around and how large he thinks it is.

And yeah, there's a lot of it. Which of course doesn't justify that nonsense where you talk as if there's a double standard in your OP. Maybe some, but really the kind of talk you cited sure doesn't sound like it comes from anyone I know who claims in any serious way to be against sexism.

Calling someone out on not citing sources while, not citing sources.

Can't tell if trolling or not...

I mean, don't get me wrong, his experiences have had no more supporting evidence than 'I met a guy' and are so based on the availability heuristic it makes my mind hurt, but there is no reason to get so hostile about him not being able to cite them when you don't either.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Spoiler: snip

UUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHH

Apparently this needs saying, because we are all five. There are terrible PEOPLE. Some PEOPLE are terrible. Yes?

It is very hard for legitimate victims of sexual assault/harrassment at work to get recognised, and stupid statements like `Women expect X` dont HELP anyone.
Women are not one being.
Women are not all out for money at work.
Some PEOPLE are out for money at work.
And terrible WOMEN are not TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.
Yes, it sucks that she was believed, I'm really suprised the dude couldn't appeal.

Being a woman on this forum is getting fucking tiring.

As other people have said, it does sound like your friend could be leaving things out.
Can we just get over this, gaming community?
Because I'm getting worried about you.

Exactly.

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I agree that the story does sound a bit extreme but anybody who has ever had to sit through a sexual harrassment seminar before getting a job knows that most of it is pretty stupid.

It might seem stupid to someone who has no personal experience with sexual harassment, but since feminism threads often end up being a big "let's trade anecdotes" convention, let me share mine.

Many years ago, long before I was born, my mother was a young, independent, relatively attractive woman who was just trying to make her way in the world and make ends meet. She worked at a bank. She was diligent, did her job well, and got along relatively well with her co-workers. There were no complaints against her all the time that she worked there.

Then one day her boss, a middle-aged man, called her into his office and had her close the door. After some prelude, he explained to her that his wife was going to be out of town and... you see where this is going. He made what were obviously sexual overtures toward her, and the implications of what he was saying were very clear. He wasn't asking her whether she was interested in him. He was telling her, this is what I want, and you're going to give it to me.

Well, she refused. She said that she wasn't comfortable with that, and she wasn't interested. Then she went back to her job. She was fired a very short time later. Apparently her job performance was less than adequate, or so she was told.

She went to some kind of local women's rights organization (I don't know exactly what the name was), and filed a complaint, and attempted to pursue the matter for a while, but was basically told at every turn that it would be her word against his and no one would believe her. It never went anywhere. She never got her job back or got any compensation, or acknowledgement, or apology. Eventually she dropped the matter and moved on with her life.

But that experience changed her. After that she was wary around men. Less trustful. Always wondering whether they wanted to take advantage of her. If she was ever called into a male superior's office again, you can bet the first thing running through her mind was "Am I safe? Is this going to be like last time? Or worse?"

You see, guys always seem to have tales of some woman who overreacted to some accidental physical contact and ruined the livelihood of a good, hard-working man. But there are countless stories of women experiencing something exactly like what my mother experienced above. Many of them never even file complaints or reports, just try to convince themselves it never happened. Why do you think women overreact to such situations? It might be because they're afraid. Because they've grown up in a culture of fear created by years of men exploiting their positions, and women being powerless to prevent it.

Why do women fear sexual harassment? Why do they constantly fear rape? Because it happens, and it happens all the time.

Also exactly.

Now, we've been over this dozens of times in the times I've been on this forum, and I know it's unlikely anyone who doesn't already know this, but:

There is not some grand conspiracy by women in general or feminists in particular to ruin men's lives for the lulz. Men aren't being dominated or oppressed by women or whatever.

Yes, there are instances when gender bias works against men, but that's because you can't have a massive gender bias such as our society has and have it work for the benefit of one gender all the time.

Women being seen as victims more then men is because society tells us that men are big and powerful and women are small and useless. It's the inevitable result of that kind of thinking, and something feminists have been trying to erase, not shore up, for decades. Society can't just say that men are dominant without then assuming they are, and that's inevitably going to lead to problems.

Well, women are also seen as victims more than men because women are much more likely to be assaulted by men than the other way around, but again, that's because society says it's the way things are/should be.

 

[Darius Brogan]

I don't really understand why you're so upset about everything, he won fair and square it seems. Just because your cousin got hit by a car during the contest doesn't mean you should have given up.

Erm... actually SHE won, I said that in the OP. It has its own neat little sentence fragment too.

I don't think you really understand the situation, the OP said that he was looking for his neighbor's dog, the dog is now dead as a result of his actions and he is going to have to pay the price. He should have considered the situation a little more carefully before proceeding with his brother's little scheme.

OH! Okay, now I get it.

WHEW!! I was totally on the wrong page there for a minute.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, next time I'll make sure I cross the street backwards before hailing that UFO. Maybe I can prevent the death of another neighbors dog via conscientious Cross-Walking.

You're alleging that I had something to do with this whole affair? It's true that I was present when I cut his cousin's break lines, but that had nothing to do with what happened, it was his responsibility to inform the baker that the doughnuts were contaminated by his own fecal matter. When you eat food that has poop on it you can get very sick, this was proven by Goddard's theory of relatives in 1985.

Of course you had something to do with it. You had everything to do with it.
Your presence as the break-lines were cut led to a Japanese wasp stinging a traveling monk, who cried out in pain, offending a nearby spirit that made the neighbors dog run away in the first place, which distracted the cousin long enough for his break-lines to be cut, causing him to miss his stop at the bakers to inform him of the unfortunate fecal contamination.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Well, women are also seen as victims more than men because women are much more likely to be assaulted by men than the other way around, but again, that's because society says it's the way things are/should be.

Yes, I've read the rest of your comment, but this section warranted special attention.

To which I say: Look up the statistics, and you'll find that you're wrong.
It's not the reverse, but you're still wrong.

Read a little further back into the comments and you'll find a wall-o-text that exlpains what I'm too lazy, distracted, and tired to do.

 

[ColonelHopper]

And the reason why a woman usually gets custody is if someone lives INSIDE your body for almost a YEAR and then you have to use your own body to feed that person...you're probably going to feel a little closer to that person than the person who just provided the sperm. I'm not saying there aren't sucky mothers and fantastic fathers, I'm not saying that fathers can't be misrepresented in court, I'm not saying that dads love their kids any less, I'm saying that there is an obvious biological and psychological connection between mother and child that a father can't experience. It sucks that they don't get that, but that's part of being male, and courts realize the very extreme difference between a mother and a fathers connection to the child.

As a child of divorced parents, I am pretty close to the issue of custody of children. Sure, I lived inside my mother for three-quarters of a year, then I lived with her for just shy of 11 years before my parents divorced. Not a day goes by where I wish I lived with my father. That biological and psychological connection you're talking about, it can be just a load of BS. Now, I can't speak for everyone, being just me, but on that facet of this issue, I think children deserve to choose which parent they live with if a choice is being made.
This thread might now be open to double standards against children as well as genders.

 

[Darius Brogan]

While we're on this topic, why is it that any MALE claiming sexual harassment is pretty much told to man-up and quit being a fucking pussy?

Yes, because everyone besides you is some faceless group that is just unfathomably inconsistent. How about the people who tell them to man up etc are sexists and not necessarily people who really care about equality? The people that say that kind of shit about manning up and people being pussies tend to be obnoxious, overly macho, and pretty clearly sexist.

What do you mean 'everyone besides me'?

I'm talking about how you're treating all the other attitudes you find in people as if they're supposed to be consistent with each other.

It's a prevalent mentality shared by a vast majority of the male and female genders, a number of whom have already exhibited, in my presence, their distaste for gender inequality.

Contradictions about in this society, and while they no longer surprise me at all, I'm still quite entitled to be curious as to why they've yet to die out.

Prevalent? Your evidence is what, your personal experience?

My evidence is the personal experience of everyone I've ever met, and likely everyone anyone on the planet has ever met.

Sexism has become so ingrained into society that small forms and hints are constantly used by almost every living human on the planet, except those paranoid enough to moderate every single facet of their speech at all times in which they are in contact with any other human being alive.

My personal experience is astoundingly large, yes, but that's only because of how many times I've moved to different places in the last twenty years.

Oh hah, okay so you're just BSing this, now trying to pretend you can cite people you haven't met. Well the only group you can speak for, namely the people you've met, are insufficient. There's a reason they conduct studies instead of pulling some random know-it-all and asking about his personal experiences. No matter how much he's moved around and how large he thinks it is.

And yeah, there's a lot of it. Which of course doesn't justify that nonsense where you talk as if there's a double standard in your OP. Maybe some, but really the kind of talk you cited sure doesn't sound like it comes from anyone I know who claims in any serious way to be against sexism.

Yeah, I'm BSing, exactly. Totally hit the nail on the head.

I, and EVERYBODY I'VE EVER MET, have all experience situations in which a double standard in regards to sexism caused problems.

I nearly got expelled from school for grabbing the wrist of a girl trying to scratch my eyes out.
My brother got kicked in the nuts and called a chauvinist pig for pointing out that chivalry died with the feminist movement.
A random guy in a supermarket one day got cussed out for telling a woman to cool down, he was in line before she was. (I was behind that woman)
And I could name dozens of other accounts I've witnessed or been part of.

So yeah, I'm totally BSing here. Just kinda talking about nothing that means nothing. But hey, you know more than I do simply by assuming I'm talking from ONLY my personal experience, right? Nobody I've ever met after they was kicked in the sack, told to man-up or quit being a pussy?
No virgin I've ever met was ever belittled by women for being a virgin, right?
No woman any of my acquaintances has ever met assumed they should open the door for her because 'They're a man'?
No woman has ever bitched out my stepfather for doing ^just that^, because he somehow thinks women are too weak to do it themselves?
My friend Justin wasn't dumped by my own sister for not being enough of a man?

No human ever has ever been affected by the double standard of sexism specifically because it didn't happen to ME PERSONALLY, right?

I thought so.

Surprise, surprise. Idiotic and illogical rant. I don't give a fuck about everybody you ever met. Neither does any kind of legitimate study. Your personal experiences? Biased and untrustworthy. No, you are not somehow smarter than the people who decide how to conduct studies and do not have the magical ability to decide things on a societal level where they need to do so much more to.

Also, get a fucking grip. Did I say such things never happened? No. Are you just incapable of reading properly, or are you being deliberately dishonest because I called you on your bullshit? Can't handle not making things up?

Yeah, I thought so.

Wow, surprise surprise, a wannabe intellectual.

You finally noticed yourself? Or was that an empty retort because you have no real excuse for your ego?

Yes, you did say it never happened, because your 'I'm just BSing' implies just that.
I'm bullshitting you. Fucking around. Joshin ya. JK JK, lol.

Or it means that you're pulling things out of your ass to support your position. Like trying to talk about the experiences of people you don't know.

It's not idiotic or illogical, 'cuz, y'know, all those things actually happened, to people other than me. Making them not personal experience.

We're still relying on your personal experience with others. It is incredibly idiotic and illogical because you're starting with a pathetically small sample size, one that is not random, so in essence you're just making a stupid generalization. Also it's idiotic to babble about things I didn't ever say and argue against them as if I did.

You can believe whatever you feel like believing. If you want to think a pink honkeycorn princess broke into your room and did horrible, unspeakable things to your favorite teddy-bear who then committed suicide, it's entirely up to you.

Considering all I'm calling for is some skepticism and you're the one throwing out unfounded beliefs I think you're talking to yourself again.

Everything I've said thus far has been entirely truthful.

And/or wild speculation and quite possibly biased retellings.

As I said, believe what you want. It's all true. You can pick apart whatever you feel will make you somehow 'more right' than me, but in the end, you're not trying to think skeptically, you're being an asshole whose opinion differs from my own and feels the need to be sarcastic regarding almost everything I've said thus far.

My ego is just fine, I'm telling the truth, I can only HAVE a small sample size because I abhor giant walls of text, and my 're-tellings' are not biased in any way.

My presence at a number of the situations gives me only a limited amount of 'personal experience'. I was an outside party, observing from a neutral standpoint to the situations listed.

Do you seriously want me to relate every single instance I've ever come across where any party was even remotely affected by sexism's double standard? Really?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yes, I've read the rest of your comment, but this section warranted special attention.

To which I say: Look up the statistics, and you'll find that you're wrong.
It's not the reverse, but you're still wrong.

Read a little further back into the comments and you'll find a wall-o-text that exlpains what I'm too lazy, distracted, and tired to do.

No. Yes, assaults, especially sexual assaults against men are even more under reported than against women, but something like 1 in 3 women are raped by men worldwide during their lifetimes. The reverse is nowhere near that.

Even restricting ourselves to developed nations, it tends to vary between 1 in 4 to 1 in 6 women, and something like 1 in 14 men who are raped during their lifetimes (predominantly by men).

Yes, assaults against men are a very serious problem (and FFS, when we people learn that male prison rape is not funny?), but there's no reason to claim they are comparable to assaults against women.

 

[Torrasque]

Snip.

UUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHH

Apparently this needs saying, because we are all five. There are terrible PEOPLE. Some PEOPLE are terrible. Yes?

It is very hard for legitimate victims of sexual assault/harrassment at work to get recognised, and stupid statements like `Women expect X` dont HELP anyone.
Women are not one being.
Women are not all out for money at work.
Some PEOPLE are out for money at work.
And terrible WOMEN are not TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.
Yes, it sucks that she was believed, I'm really suprised the dude couldn't appeal.

Being a woman on this forum is getting fucking tiring.

As other people have said, it does sound like your friend could be leaving things out.
Can we just get over this, gaming community?
Because I'm getting worried about you.

Thank you

I do find that society tends to lean more towards womens shouting "ZOMG SEXIST" compared to mens shouting the same. You don't see vast hordes of mens joining organizations to support womens rights, you have guys telling them to stfu and man up. Its like if a man is abused by his girlfriend, more of his guy friends will say "dude, you got beat up by your girlfriend? wtf man" than support him. If a woman is abused by her boyfriend, more of her girl friends will say "OMG THAT IS ABUSE. THAT IS SO BAD"

But that being said, I hate generalizing anything, and I know that HUMANS are fucks. It is just easy to generalize X group as being shittier than Y group.

Also:

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*more snipping*

Thank you for introducing me to a new awesome comedian and indirectly making me watch Louis CK again

 

[Darius Brogan]

I'm not contesting that he's wrong. I'm saying his position lacks any serious support. He's jumping to conclusions about society as a whole and I'm calling him out on that.

You do realize that every time anybody says anything based on any effect society has ever had on any opinion they could possibly form about society, they're coming to conclusions about society as a whole?

I say just about every human on the planet has experience with the double standard of sexism because almost every human being on the planet DOES have experience with the double standard of sexism...

There are astonishingly few people in the world unaffected by sexism, and they're usually monks or hermits of some kind.

If you interact with society, you will be affected by sexism's double standard. I can guarantee you that.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

While we're on this topic, why is it that any MALE claiming sexual harassment is pretty much told to man-up and quit being a fucking pussy?

Yes, because everyone besides you is some faceless group that is just unfathomably inconsistent. How about the people who tell them to man up etc are sexists and not necessarily people who really care about equality? The people that say that kind of shit about manning up and people being pussies tend to be obnoxious, overly macho, and pretty clearly sexist.

What do you mean 'everyone besides me'?

I'm talking about how you're treating all the other attitudes you find in people as if they're supposed to be consistent with each other.

It's a prevalent mentality shared by a vast majority of the male and female genders, a number of whom have already exhibited, in my presence, their distaste for gender inequality.

Contradictions about in this society, and while they no longer surprise me at all, I'm still quite entitled to be curious as to why they've yet to die out.

Prevalent? Your evidence is what, your personal experience?

My evidence is the personal experience of everyone I've ever met, and likely everyone anyone on the planet has ever met.

Sexism has become so ingrained into society that small forms and hints are constantly used by almost every living human on the planet, except those paranoid enough to moderate every single facet of their speech at all times in which they are in contact with any other human being alive.

My personal experience is astoundingly large, yes, but that's only because of how many times I've moved to different places in the last twenty years.

Oh hah, okay so you're just BSing this, now trying to pretend you can cite people you haven't met. Well the only group you can speak for, namely the people you've met, are insufficient. There's a reason they conduct studies instead of pulling some random know-it-all and asking about his personal experiences. No matter how much he's moved around and how large he thinks it is.

And yeah, there's a lot of it. Which of course doesn't justify that nonsense where you talk as if there's a double standard in your OP. Maybe some, but really the kind of talk you cited sure doesn't sound like it comes from anyone I know who claims in any serious way to be against sexism.

Calling someone out on not citing sources while, not citing sources.

Can't tell if trolling or not...

I don't recall making any claims that require sources. I didn't say whether it was as endemic as he seems to believe or not. So if you want to talk about trolling talking about me not citing sources when I've made no particular claims like he has seems like a great start.

I mean, don't get me wrong, his experiences have had no more supporting evidence than 'I met a guy' and are so based on the availability heuristic it makes my mind hurt, but there is no reason to get so hostile about him not being able to cite them when you don't either.

I'm not contesting that he's wrong. I'm saying his position lacks any serious support. He's jumping to conclusions about society as a whole and I'm calling him out on that.

Dude, you are on a web forum. You are not in a social sciences class. You are not at a university. Personal experience is totally valid when people are making arguments, they just aren't in any way scientific. Sure, he is applying a small sample to a massive whole, but that doesn't mean he is in some way right. Both science and personal experience are part of the same epistemology for fuck's sake (empiricism). In the end science is just a somewhat less biased form of the same argument as what the OP is using. Notice also that you're the one that's adding nothing to the discussion by simply throwing in needless skepticism (a pet peeve of mine).

 

[XandNobody]

*Snip*

I really was not trying to state that you were making false claims, so much as trying to point out the fact that mentioning citations in the first place, without providing citations of your own, is a little weird. I don't doubt you can find things to cite that defend your point, and even if you don't feel that you 'require' them, it makes you look even better than your opponent. Just seemed like a missed opportunity. Blame the writing consultant in me.

Also, to clarify, I consider a counterpoint without backup to be trolling, was so not saying a troll in the attention grabbing sense, sorry for the confusion.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Yes, I've read the rest of your comment, but this section warranted special attention.

To which I say: Look up the statistics, and you'll find that you're wrong.
It's not the reverse, but you're still wrong.

Read a little further back into the comments and you'll find a wall-o-text that exlpains what I'm too lazy, distracted, and tired to do.

No. Yes, assaults, especially sexual assaults against men are even more reported than against women, but something like 1 in 3 women are raped by men worldwide during their lifetimes. The reverse is nowhere near that.

Even restricting ourselves to developed nations, it tends to vary between 1 in 4 to 1 in 6 women, and something like 1 in 14 men who are raped during their lifetimes (predominantly by men).

Yes, assaults against men are a very serious problem (and FFS, when we people learn that male prison rape is not funny?), but there's no reason to claim they are comparable to assaults against women.

The problem with anything reported is that the male standard usually doesn't allow a man to report being abused, raped, assaulted, or whatever because it isn't considered manly to be affected by those things.

Go back to the first page and find yourself the post with a link to tvtropes.