Oops, sorry about that, it's been about two weeks since I had any semblance of a good nights sleep.Suicidejim said:
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SEXISM! What's with the standards?
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Don't worry about it. I got to experience that pleasant feeling when I have a message in my inbox, so it's all goodDarius Brogan said:
Biases in sexual harassment cases are bad, but they have nothing on what happens with domestic violence and rape. The degree people are willing to go to deny any evidence (and there are a mountain of peer reviewed studies showing parity) of male victims, especially male victims of women, is simply staggering. As a victim of child abuse by female social workers, I have first hand experience with just how far the "equality" in these areas extends. Far from receiving help and support, I was told to apologize to my abusers because they held me down and beat me for hours on end and sent back to endure more of their abuse for over a decade. Like it or not, feminism has played a big role in these attitudes and policies. The terminology and ideas which form the foundation of modern feminist thought originated with radical second wave groups like the Red Stockings, and those groups formed an entirely unabashed hate movement, explicitly advocating female supremacy and male disposability in addition to assaulting the early gay rights movement (on the grounds that male homosexuality represented a patriarchal reaction to feminism and an effort on the part of men to abdicate their responsibilities to support and care for women). Their ideas and creeds remain in full effect within the upper echelons of organized and academic feminism and the political influence of these people has codified parts of their toxic belief system into law (for example: as a result of arrest quotas with no relation to the actual incidence rates of abuse and "primary aggressor" laws, a man who suffers domestic abuse is more likely to be arrested than to be protected). I think it is also important to notice the resounding silence that greeted a shocking revelation last year, when a large number of prominent feminist leaders, CEOs and educators were outed for having advocated and continuing to advocate forced eugenics and the systematic murder of men behind closed doors (these allegations were supported by a body of conclusive evidence and documentation).
It's a prevalent mentality shared by a vast majority of the male and female genders, a number of whom have already exhibited, in my presence, their distaste for gender inequality.Mortai Gravesend said:
Contradictions about in this society, and while they no longer surprise me at all, I'm still quite entitled to be curious as to why they've yet to die out.
Because guys are shit, didn't you know?
Alright, sarcasm aside, as the other female on this thread, I'm annoyed by the chick's behavior. This is work, not kindergarden, and as such she should've been an adult about this and simply asked if he did that on purpose at the very least, and not a five year old. Personally, I'm disgusted and annoyed that this happens to guys when there was no sexual harassment and it was innocent, and I wish your friend would've appealed that.
I know a couple guys that haven gotten majorly screwed over by the system because of women, but I don't know how to fix it or begin to fix it. All I know is that there are people out there that will take advantage of the system for their own gains, and sadly, your friend lost because of it to a very immature individual.
Alright, sarcasm aside, as the other female on this thread, I'm annoyed by the chick's behavior. This is work, not kindergarden, and as such she should've been an adult about this and simply asked if he did that on purpose at the very least, and not a five year old. Personally, I'm disgusted and annoyed that this happens to guys when there was no sexual harassment and it was innocent, and I wish your friend would've appealed that.
I know a couple guys that haven gotten majorly screwed over by the system because of women, but I don't know how to fix it or begin to fix it. All I know is that there are people out there that will take advantage of the system for their own gains, and sadly, your friend lost because of it to a very immature individual.
If a woman brushed up against me by accident and I accused her of harassment, I wouldn't see a red cent.Phasmal said:
4 years ago, I was almost expelled from school for telling a classmate her hair looked pretty. I was 14.
This is a post about the double standards of sexism, not a hate-all-women-because-they-dump-me thread.
Well.. it could be worse. It could be like me and have that exact same situation end up being the catalyst that creates a year of misery ending in being shot twice.
Sexism is everywhere. Honestly women are just as guilty of it as men are, if not moreso.
However I think it boils down to women being viewed as the gatekeepers of sex and with that brings great power and we all know what a wise man once said about what comes with power....
PS: yes I had to a sexist clip to illustrate that point, because using the spiderman "with great power comes great responsibility" line doesnt work because much as the example illustrates women do not always wield that power responsibly.
Sexism is everywhere. Honestly women are just as guilty of it as men are, if not moreso.
However I think it boils down to women being viewed as the gatekeepers of sex and with that brings great power and we all know what a wise man once said about what comes with power....
PS: yes I had to a sexist clip to illustrate that point, because using the spiderman "with great power comes great responsibility" line doesnt work because much as the example illustrates women do not always wield that power responsibly.
... What's the point of working, then?Phasmal said:
(I support your other points though. And, OP, your friend got a raw deal. Allow me to empologize. I'm so sorry.)
Edit: Oh. Read more of the OP's post, and I support his points, too. Also: I'm lost on TvTropes now. Whee!
I'm out for money at work.... that's kinda why I go.....Phasmal said:
But back to the topic at hand, if you treat a person poorly, you are a bad person. Gender, sexuality, alignment etc are not relevant.
As for the original post, I too have doubts, the legal system has a(n excssively) robust appeal system. It wouldn't surprise me if the subject lost all his cash to lawyers as he followed the apellant Courts higher and higher.
It might seem stupid to someone who has no personal experience with sexual harassment, but since feminism threads often end up being a big "let's trade anecdotes" convention, let me share mine.Swyftstar said:
Many years ago, long before I was born, my mother was a young, independent, relatively attractive woman who was just trying to make her way in the world and make ends meet. She worked at a bank. She was diligent, did her job well, and got along relatively well with her co-workers. There were no complaints against her all the time that she worked there.
Then one day her boss, a middle-aged man, called her into his office and had her close the door. After some prelude, he explained to her that his wife was going to be out of town and... you see where this is going. He made what were obviously sexual overtures toward her, and the implications of what he was saying were very clear. He wasn't asking her whether she was interested in him. He was telling her, this is what I want, and you're going to give it to me.
Well, she refused. She said that she wasn't comfortable with that, and she wasn't interested. Then she went back to her job. She was fired a very short time later. Apparently her job performance was less than adequate, or so she was told.
She went to some kind of local women's rights organization (I don't know exactly what the name was), and filed a complaint, and attempted to pursue the matter for a while, but was basically told at every turn that it would be her word against his and no one would believe her. It never went anywhere. She never got her job back or got any compensation, or acknowledgement, or apology. Eventually she dropped the matter and moved on with her life.
But that experience changed her. After that she was wary around men. Less trustful. Always wondering whether they wanted to take advantage of her. If she was ever called into a male superior's office again, you can bet the first thing running through her mind was "Am I safe? Is this going to be like last time? Or worse?"
You see, guys always seem to have tales of some woman who overreacted to some accidental physical contact and ruined the livelihood of a good, hard-working man. But there are countless stories of women experiencing something exactly like what my mother experienced above. Many of them never even file complaints or reports, just try to convince themselves it never happened. Why do you think women overreact to such situations? It might be because they're afraid. Because they've grown up in a culture of fear created by years of men exploiting their positions, and women being powerless to prevent it.
Why do women fear sexual harassment? Why do they constantly fear rape? Because it happens, and it happens all the time.
Ha ha! Beat you to it!fat tony said:
Also, I have edited my world view again. Now it is:
EVERYONE IS A HORRIBLE PERSON!
In this vein, I would say this:
As this:dobahci said:
Unfortunately, I have no way to fix this problem. Oh dear.Some pretentious tree said:
Sexism of all kinds is bad, m'kay. I think the real solution here is just to make sure you're not the one being sexist, and to call out blatant sexism when you see it. At this point discussions about sexism in general winds up with a whole lot of people talking about how either group has it worse in this or that way, and it winds up being an argument between two groups who agree on the same fundamental ideas and have the same final goal. Just look at the number of arguments over the semantics of anti-sexism (whether feminism is a good term to describe all groups against sexism) and you can see that talking about sexism at this point often leads right into a wall. I do not like sexism, and I calls em likes I sees em. Everybody is getting the short end of the stick, and everybody should be working to solve all the problems, not argue about which are more important.
This, this, 1,000,000,000 times this! That woman, if all you say is true, is a total *****...but it's THAT woman! THAT FUCKING SPECIFIC WOMAN! I didn't sue your friend for sexual harrasment! Don't lump me in with her!Phasmal said:
I've worked with men. Hell I've hugged them and they've hugged me at work, they've brushed past me, there's probably been accidental boob touching too, but I didn't freak out over it. And when I worked with a man, I've done the EXACT same job! I never wimped out just because I'm a woman. Yes, there are SOME women who want that, but I'm not one of the them and I WILL NOT let those bitches represent me!
And the reason why a woman usually gets custody is if someone lives INSIDE your body for almost a YEAR and then you have to use your own body to feed that person...you're probably going to feel a little closer to that person than the person who just provided the sperm. I'm not saying there aren't sucky mothers and fantastic fathers, I'm not saying that fathers can't be misrepresented in court, I'm not saying that dads love their kids any less, I'm saying that there is an obvious biological and psychological connection between mother and child that a father can't experience. It sucks that they don't get that, but that's part of being male, and courts realize the very extreme difference between a mother and a fathers connection to the child.
I'm still going to have to go with "both genders equally wish their gene-carriers to be successful" on this. It just makes more sense than "this thing lived in me so I love it more," or what you said. Perhaps I misunderstood your post. Could you clarify?Screamarie said:
Well, that makes sense. But what if someone calls out what they think is blatant sexism and they're wrong?Revnak said:
Wait, what?Regnes said:
To quote myself, "Hell yeah, man! That smeg's dynamite!"Suicidejim said:Don't worry about it. I got to experience that pleasant feeling when I have a message in my inbox, so it's all good
Man, that was a wall of text but it sure was worth the read. Men who suffer domestic abuse are more likely to get arrested then help? sick! And to Screemarie I get your point but what court do should be in the best interest of the kid, not the woman in any circumstance.OtherSideofSky said:
I think the problem is that women get to pick and choose what they want out of everything about what benefits men, yet get to keep everything what benefits them which WE CANNOT TOUCH!!! and THAT is not fair!
If a man suffers abuse he gets demoralized and ridiculed and even gets his masculinity into question which for some reason is like a socially accepted thing. No one ever seems to care about a man's feelings because we can be hurt emotionally and physically too. And if your a sensitive male who's emotionally hurt? its even worse. Man up, you ******! and that is awful and unfair.
Then they're wrong, and hopefully they'll figure that out. I tend to view everything someone says or claims to be part of an argument. If they're claiming that somebody is being sexist, then they have made their claim. If they cannot support this claim in a logical, correct way, they are wrong and hopefully someone will point this out to them. Idealistic, yes, but I like my idea better than constant bickering between people who are fundamentally in agreement. It's the people that don't want to end sexism we should be throwing a fit about, not the people who want to point out sexism we think is less important.The Thinker said: