Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?

[AlmightyRa]

Being a man actually worked out for me. Teaching was traditionally a job for women, and the realization of how male role models are important for male children has made it easier for a man to get a teaching job than a woman

Actually no, teaching was never a womans job, even up until the war times, except in kindergarten roles. And by wars i mean WW1 and WW2. Woman took up the role as teachers while the men were away, and due to there being no men (or very few) to disagree, it gave 2 entire generations, the stereotype that only woman teach. It effectively brainwashed the entire world. Do some research, it's pretty trippy.

Yea I was wrong, what worries me is that was what I was taught

It's scary ae. My dad told me about this and i was like WTF so i did research. It's strange that events that happend such a short time ago have been wiped from memory pretty much.

 

[oppp7]

No, we aren't. Women still have to deal with shit that men don't have to, and you can't say the same about the opposite.

Ahh, i remember when i use to be ignorant enough to make statements like that one... i was six at the time.

- VAWA
- Rape Shield Laws that demonise a man in the court of public opinion
- Being expected to take responsibiltty for the lack of sexual agency of women
- Shroedingers Rapist
- The Family Court System (which demonises men)
- Divorce Laws (no fault divorce in specific) that benefit women exclusively to the detriment of men
- Affirmative Action hiring policies, even though women are worse employees across the board as a social group
- the lowering of physical entry standards just for women
- Praise for Mediocrity in areas which function as a Meritocracy for men.
- Thousands of women only health institutes, less then a handful of men only health institutes
- Women only social clubs & services are fine, but if there are many only clubs & services thats sexism (when was the last time you saw a "mens gym")
- 40 times more women only fedral scholarships, then men only fedral scholarships

An those are just the ones off the top of my head. Educate yourself before you comment.

I have no idea why everyone on the internet is so against feminism.

Because feminism is about the accumulation of gendered resources & powers at the detriment of 50% of the populaiton. I'm all for equality, but feminism is not a synonym for equality.

INSULTS! I KNEW something was missing from this thread...

I posted a list back on like the first page about why women would have it worse than men, so I'll try to respond to your crap now.
-Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have the short end of the stick when being prosecuted for a crime than be the main victim of said crime
-See above
-Not really sure what that means...
-See above
-There's a movement to stop that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers%27_rights_movement]
-Alimony's getting more available for men
-Source? I know neither of us have done much of that, but I want to see that one
-Balanced out by the high rate of rape in the military (and that I have no idea why anyone would want to join, but that's just my opinion I guess)
-You'll need to give examples of this
-Cancer research probably isn't going anywhere any time soon, so the amount of institutions for it is besides the point. Not sure about the others (maybe I should try using a source other than Wikipedia)
-When was the last time you felt you suffered from this?
-Ok, screw this, I've been looking for some kind of statistic on this for about 30 minutes (fucking Wikipedia). Could you just give me a source?

Try not to talk down to me when you reply.

 

[airrazor7]

Have the tables actually turned? Who knows? One-up-manship is encoded in human DNA so matter what the topic, when there is a debate over comparisons, people will always say they have the best or worst of something. Also, there are all types and kinds of people so as long as humans exists, there will be times when women have advantages and there will be times when men have advantages and some of those times will have no relevance with gender.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

Not at all.

Norway is supposed to be one of the most equalized countries in the world and we still can't manage to give everyone the same go at a job, and when a woman do get the job she still won't get paid as much as a man in the same position with the same education.

Why not? Fucked if i know

I thought we were pretty equal, though?

Eh, not exactly. It's pretty much socially acknowledged, but not financially. Though i can't imagine why it's like that when it seems like in a lot of the higher education employments the women work harder/more than their male counterparts in the same positions.

The whole system's pretty damn backwards.

 

[SillyBear]

Yes.

Edit your post dude. You'll get a warning for that.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

I wouldnt say the tables have turned, but lately it has become more obvious women are being the preferable over men in certain industries. A big example would be Retail work, most clothing stores will hire women over men. while a guy might have 4 years experience in retail in general etc, they're going to hire the woman for one reason: boobs.

I'm not trying to act like a pig, but its true. most surf shops in my area only hire woman because they have cleavage which "brings home the bacon", and even managers hire them for the eye candy for themselves.

 

[TheDooD]

Interestingly enough, there is a scholarly phenomenon of sexism, the basis of it is that schools are more geared towards girls, the sitting down, the calmness, the structure, while boys require something more physical and kinetic and thus there has become a gap in gender education leaning towards women.

Last I found, the percentages of Boys to Girls in colleges were roughly 35% (males) to 65%(females) but don't quote me on that, I don't have anything to back this up.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/09/12/boys-school-games Fascinating article

I'm not convinced by this "scholary phenomenon". It seems to make exactly the sort of generalizations that should be fought against. I do well in school, and think that physical/kinetic things can go eat cyanide, but I am also a boy. What does that make me? Most would call me an exception, but in a truelly equal world there would be no exceptions to the rule, because there wouldn't be a rule. Everyone would be treated as individuals and not lumped into groups depending on whether their genitals are an innie or an outie.

But I digress, to the question at hand, girls are doing better at education than boys. Provable fact, in Britain girls score higher in exams. I seriously doubt this is some kind of genetic thing that means girls naturally are better in school, I suspect that something in society is holding boys back.

I remember a survey (and can't bring it to hand, so this point is a bit shit but hold with me) that asked boys and girls in 2nd or 3rd grade if boys or girls were better. A lot of boys said girls were better, not so many girls said boys were better. What is it in society that is telling boys that girls are better?

I reckon' if we find that we find the reason why girls are outperforming boys. A general rule in education is, the more encouraged you are, the better you do. What is encouraging the girls that isn't encouraging boys? (the answer is probably society, but that's a bit general.

Boys learn differently then girls, hell all my male friends that I knew when they were younger learned like me through trail and error. Also through mimicry and physical mediums. Overall a very hands on and active teaching style which at times can get out of control. We all know schools want total control and that's why they normally shy away from those effective learning styles for something more suited to a girl's learning style which is easier to control. In middle school all the guys I knew including myself we're bored shitless because we're all in the same core classes and gym by sheer horrible luck. We normally acted out main with paperball fights and crude humor mainly to break up the drone of the class.

 

[Kimjira19]

Two words. Affirmative Action. Makes it so much easier for any woman to find a good job than a man looking for the same.

Not sure how true that^^^ is. But I do know that on average women get paid $0.70 for every $1.00 made by a male counterpart doing the same work. While I feel that overall things are evening out for both genders, there are factions on both sides that can be virulently sexist. And there will probably always be people who are on the fringes shouting nonsense and making everyone tense and angry. We just need to learn to tune them out and treat each other with the respect we all know {deep down} others deserve.

 

[Mobius_Hero]

RT-Medic-with-shotgun, Thank you, you are a very smart person! And also much more coherent than me. It is true that women have some bs handed to them but so what so does everyone. And socially men have it quite a bit worse off.

 

[inquisiti0n]

It's a real shame RT-Medic's post wasn't more tactful because he is completely right.

Look at 3rd wave feminism these days, spouting bullshit like "anyone against abortion is against women!" not realizing that the women who started the feminist movement were against such things.

And omfg, the wage gap myth...

Not sure how true that^^^ is. But I do know that on average women get paid $0.70 for every $1.00 made by a male counterpart doing the same work. While I feel that overall things are evening out for both genders, there are factions on both sides that can be virulently sexist. And there will probably always be people who are on the fringes shouting nonsense and making everyone tense and angry. We just need to learn to tune them out and treat each other with the respect we all know {deep down} others deserve.

that 70 cents nonsense needs to stop. It has been debunked time and time again. There are a huge list of reasons why women make what they do, and no it isn't sexism. There might be some sexist bosses here and there, but on the whole, wage gap is a myth in western society. And when you consider things like affirmative action (which for some fucked up reason, helps white woman just as much, if not more, than black men), it's women who have unfair advantages in terms of employment.


Anyways, reasons why women make less, broken up into subsections:

For the average woman compared to the average man:
- This one is ridiculous to even compare, considering the millions of housewives who sit at home with no income. Of course the average woman doesn't make the same as the average man, it would be mathematically impossible.

For the average employed woman compared to the average employed men:
- Woman generally go into easier, lower paying professions. Not many women in a computer science/engineering/higher level math/physics classroom. This is also the reason why women have higher GPAs in university. A 4.0 in electrical engineering =/= a 4.0 in sociology.

For the average employed woman compared to the average employed man IN THE SAME JOB POSITION:
- Women are statistically proven to work fewer hours, and particularly fewer overtime hours. They also demand more flexible hours than male employees on average.
- Women, due to their biological "risk-averse" nature, are less likely to ask for promotions. This isn't really unfair at all, since risk-averse isn't inherently a bad thing, but it just so happens to kinda screw them over in this particular category.
- Maternity leave. These research studies regarding wage gap are honestly very poorly done, especially when they're done by biased women's groups carrying a pre-conceived agenda. Many of these studies include women who are on maternity leave (who obviously aren't being paid the same) as fully working employees.


And a few other reasons you'll be sure to find if you google it.

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

I had a college class where the teacher gave extra credit to anyone who attended a Red Dress Dinner, obliviously a women only event. One of the male students asked if that was sexist and she responded "Boo Hoo, it sucks to be a white man in America"

 

[inquisiti0n]

"ignoring the fact that men as a collective have fought, bled, and died by the million to secure humanity's future"

You had me until this sentence.

Men as a collective are not owed anything due to the actions of cavemen. Just as we do not owe anything because of people like Hitler, or Genghis Khan.

Actions of cavemen?

Do you know how many armed conflicts are going on right now?

I agree it would be wrong for the average man to act like he personally contributed to everything men as a whole have sacrificed for society, but there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that men are the ones who are expected to fight for their country.