Sexual Fantasy vs. Sexual Morality

[the rye]

Nobody has morality. Morality isn't real. It's a concept we invented so we could put a social stranglehold on other people's lives. Morality exists no more than souls, or good and evil.

So you feel the need to rape and murder since you feel a social constrain by other people's "morality"?
If not then it is not as "natural"(I'll use the word common instead) as you say it is, and you share this personal value with most people, and that is what we call morality.

Morality is the common ground of personal views of many people.

And if rape is so natural, why does it not happen all the time with animals? We share common morality traits with many animals, because it is best for the species in most cases.

Your forgetting rape is only recently considered wrong, in ancient time it was considered quite normal to rape women from outside your tribe or city futhermore killing someone who wasn't in your tribe or city was considered normal. Morality isn't common ground for people it is quite the contrary, people have killed each other because of opposed morality, now whether or not rape is natural or not doesn't matter just becasue something is a product of nature does not make it good.

 

[AmayaOnnaOtaku]

However a lot of women accuse men of rape in very high numbers, so it is often hard to see wether the accusations are true or not and that leads to "boy who cried wolf".

There are large amounts of accusations of rape, yes, but this is because there's even larger accounts of occurence of rape.

The idea that most accusations of rape are made up by women who feel like having their entire lives dragged through the mud by defence lawyers and the media for a tiny chance of conviction used to be popular, but with increasing numbers of female police officers who are more likely to actually care about rapes instead of sweeping them under the carpet, this is decreasing.

Very true or worse the victim is told not to prosecute or is shunned and exiled to the point he or she attempts suicide. In this day and age there are still groups who consider rape and incest ok and normal. And still consider females property (Amish for example). Rape is not about sex, its about power and control over the victim.

 

[Jonluw]

The only limitation should be that it is consentual. So long as it's consentual, it's all good.

What if the mental stability/maturity of one of the persons is thought to be unsuitable. Does it matter if they're consenting.

Some people volunteer to be killed and eaten. They consent. People are too weird to allow any loopholes.

I don't really care if someone is killed and eaten if they volunteer to it.

Of course there are some people, like children, who aren't consider able to give consent legally; but then - legally - it isn't consentual.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Your forgetting rape is only recently considered wrong, in ancient time it was considered quite normal to rape women from outside your tribe or city futhermore killing someone who wasn't in your tribe or city was considered normal. Morality isn't common ground for people it is quite the contrary, people have killed each other because of opposed morality, now whether or not rape is natural or not doesn't matter just becasue something is a product of nature does not make it good.

But it was considered bad in the local society, then society grew and so did the sphere of non-rape morality.

 

[Jonluw]

The only limitation should be that it is consentual. So long as it's consentual, it's all good.

What if the mental stability/maturity of one of the persons is thought to be unsuitable. Does it matter if they're consenting.

Some people volunteer to be killed and eaten. They consent. People are too weird to allow any loopholes.

I don't really care if someone is killed and eaten if they volunteer to it.

Of course there are some people, like children, who aren't consider able to give consent legally; but then - legally - it isn't consentual.

Its not legally consensual to be killed and eaten either.

It isn't?
I personally think a person should be allowed to donate his dead body to a cannibal if he feels like it. It's his body after all.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

As long as it's between two appropriate people.. THERE WILL BE NO LINE!!!

That line would only make crossing it all the more desirable.

Well said. Then the only way to stay behind that line would be to somehow adopt a way of thinking that scoffs at what is deemed sexually immoral all the time, so I would believe.

There is no "sexual immorality" between two consenting adults within a sexual experience, contrary to the "moral pedestal" position some religions try to be presumptuous with. Once you get past the consensual line of things, then it becomes a concern.

Otherwise, what happens in the bedroom with consent, is no one else's business. End of fucking story (no pun intended, of course).

What's with everyone's obsession with monogamous relationships?
Why only two?
Why can't three men four women and 40 feet of rope have a good time together?

They can. Two consenting individuals was simply for the context of the conversation. As long as it's consensual, and everyone involved is more or less gaining pleasure from the experience, I don't fucking care what they are doing.

 

[RufusMcLaser]

I stand by what Heinlein said: "Sin is cruelty and injustice, all else is peccadillo." This is another way of saying, "Whatever you want, so long as it's between consenting adults and isn't done out in the street where it can scare the horses."

 

[TheNewDemoman]

Listen, as Christian I gave up on what people did in there bedrooms long ago.

You wanna be gay fine
Bestiality fine
Bondage fine
Sex Before marriage fine
Just don't tell it's ok.
Legalize it all and have a party

 

[the rye]

But it was considered bad in the local society, then society grew and so did the sphere of non-rape morality.

What do you mean by "local society"? sure rape eventually became to be considered as immoral but that was only after a long period of time.

 

[Hap2]

There was a time when the only real and acceptable form of sex would be your typical vanilla sex between a married man and woman that you see (if you're into voyeurism) in any king sized bed across the land. It's nice and fun and all, but with variety being the spice of life for whatever reason, it's quite obvious that the boundaries of what is sexually moral would get pushed over time, and that seems to have happened in recent times with a whole glut of examples, such as pornography, same-sex, gender-reassignment surgery, Unmarried (gasp.), sex competitions, and lest I say it, "deux femme, un coupe". At least some of these would scare off your average Joe or Jane, but with the intrinsic nature of sex being one that begs for newer and more intense experiences as good ol' vanilla sex may get a bit too...vanilla. Do you believe that we really should draw a line on what should be acceptable? Or what would be defined as acceptable to you anyway?

Hahaha, no. Read Plato's Symposium, the whole concept you're describing about sex and people came up in the medieval times when Christianity became a big influence.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

... with variety being the spice of life for whatever reason, it's quite obvious that the boundaries of what is sexually moral would get pushed over time, ... gender-reassignment surgery ...

I think the reasons for that tend not to be boredom.

It'd be kind of handy if it was that easy, eh?

"So, how about it?"
"Sorry, honey, but I'm straight?"
"Oh ... *vwoop* ... okay, so how about now?"
"Take me!"

"You're 9 seconds outside the allowed time."
"For men? *vwoop* How about for women?"
"Okay, you passed."

"Damn it, there's a queue for the toilets and I'm ... wait, idea! *vwoop*" *goes behind tree*

"Too many single men in the club already. No groups without women until we get nearer to balanced."
"*vwoop*"
"*vwoop*"
"*vwoop*"
"*vwoop*"
"*vwoop*"
"Okay, ladies, come to the front of the queue!"

 

[Thaluikhain]

There are large amounts of accusations of rape, yes, but this is because there's even larger accounts of occurence of rape.

I meant false accusations.

According to the FBI, false accusations remain in the minority, same as every other crime. And yet, people don't assume the victim of say, a mugging, is crying wolf.

Now all we need to do is attempt to remove the idea that men cannot be raped. Since I've yet to find a man or a woman who wouldn't laugh at the idea of a man being raped I'm going to assume we're going to need another gender.

Nobody said men can't be raped, it's merely that the overwhelming majority of rapes continue to be male on female.

But it was considered bad in the local society, then society grew and so did the sphere of non-rape morality.

Or it wasn't considered rape. If the rapist owns the victim, it was (often still is) seen as perfectly acceptable.

 

[loc978]

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one measure of sexuality that can include morality. Consensual=moral, non-consensual=immoral. Everything else is just personal taste or bias.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Nobody said men can't be raped, it's merely that the overwhelming majority of rapes continue to be male on female.

And an overwhelming majority of male rapes continue to go unreported due to the stigma associated with it.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Nobody said men can't be raped, it's merely that the overwhelming majority of rapes continue to be male on female.

And an overwhelming majority of male rapes continue to go unreported due to the stigma associated with it.

That is the case with all rapes, whatever the circumstances.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Nobody said men can't be raped, it's merely that the overwhelming majority of rapes continue to be male on female.

And an overwhelming majority of male rapes continue to go unreported due to the stigma associated with it.

That is the case with all rapes, whatever the circumstances.

We're talking about people straight out not believing male rape cases due to a preconcieved notion of men being "tough", similar to how male spousal abuse is also underreported or straight out not believed. These cases seem to be reported when the male in question is a minor due to the same clause being applied with rape just tagged on.