Shooting in Texas

[SantoUno]

God damn it Mass Effect! How many more lives will you take before you've had your fill!?!?

Hahaha congrats sir for having the only one in this thread with a much-needed light-hearted sense of humor and making me laugh a little.

Seriously, with all the tension in forums between members concerning the topic of gun control and media sensationalism of shootings, a little comic relief can be needed.

 

[Product Placement]

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Believe you me, you do not want me to pull up a collection of school shootings, in the States alone, that covers the same timeframe that you just posted. While I was posting my previous post I looked up professor Wiki, to quickly glance at the numbers of kids killed in the Newton shooting and I was shocked at the magnitude of shootings. You have decades that covers more shooting than the entire collected history of school shootings in all of Europe. For fuck sake, this is the fifth shooting of the year and we haven't even finished January!

 

[Erttheking]

God damn it Mass Effect! How many more lives will you take before you've had your fill!?!?

Hahaha congrats sir for having the only one in this thread with a much-needed light-hearted sense of humor and making me laugh a little.

Seriously, with all the tension in forums between members concerning the topic of gun control and media sensationalism of shootings, a little comic relief can be needed.

Everyone knows that Jim Raynor made that man open fire.

 

[SantoUno]

God damn it Mass Effect! How many more lives will you take before you've had your fill!?!?

Hahaha congrats sir for having the only one in this thread with a much-needed light-hearted sense of humor and making me laugh a little.

Seriously, with all the tension in forums between members concerning the topic of gun control and media sensationalism of shootings, a little comic relief can be needed.

Everyone knows that Jim Raynor made that man open fire.

Congrats to you too sir for actually making me look up who the hell Jim Raynor is lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Raynor

Interesting read. The more you know!

 

[Erttheking]

God damn it Mass Effect! How many more lives will you take before you've had your fill!?!?

Hahaha congrats sir for having the only one in this thread with a much-needed light-hearted sense of humor and making me laugh a little.

Seriously, with all the tension in forums between members concerning the topic of gun control and media sensationalism of shootings, a little comic relief can be needed.

Everyone knows that Jim Raynor made that man open fire.

Congrats to you too sir for actually making me look up who the hell Jim Raynor is lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Raynor

Interesting read. The more you know!

I honestly don't know much about him. Never played Starcraft because...well I don't like RTSs.

 

[prophecy2514]

God damn it Mass Effect! How many more lives will you take before you've had your fill!?!?

Hahaha congrats sir for having the only one in this thread with a much-needed light-hearted sense of humor and making me laugh a little.

Seriously, with all the tension in forums between members concerning the topic of gun control and media sensationalism of shootings, a little comic relief can be needed.

Aaaargh ninja'ed my pat on the back!

thank you as well for the same reasons, you give me hope that not everyone on the escapist are amateur social commentators

 

[Hagi]

There's actually quite a few more outside the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The main point is though that the US isn't on that page. It's got it's own separate page. Which is larger than the entire rest of the world combined. Several times larger in fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

I'd personally say that's a bit odd to say the least.

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

I think it's a bit soon to be making general assumptions.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

[averydeeadaccount]

There's goes the new years resolution.
Seriously, this seems to have become a bit of a fad, where every mentally unstable person who gets picked on a bit, finds the obvious solution in the media's tales on other people's heroism.

 

[AgedGrunt]

Witness account:
"I saw two dudes basically get into an altercation and ... the dude that shot, he basically got angry and, you know, started shooting the other guy," she said. "A lot of people heard a lot of shots."

This is newsworthy, just not nearly as sensational as it deserves to be. The city of Chicago had more homicides in 2012 than the U.S. military had deaths in a war.

Heath Ledger's Joker had it squarely pegged: gangbanger gets shot, truck-load of soldiers blown up--no one gives a rat's ass. Gun violence at a school and people lose their fucking minds.

Just curious, when do violent people ever stop and realize, "Wait a minute what am I doing? This is a school, I can't do this here! What would the world think?"?

 

[Saika Renegade]

According to this [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/lone-star-college-shooting_n_2527806.html#26_lone-star-says-situation-under-control] the situation is under control. Apparently it was an altercation between a few students. Doesn't sound like a premeditated shooting, but who knows at this point.

Surely that's not any better. Not premeditated in any way but two jerks with guns just decide to open fire on each other? That seems a reason to me to not trust people entirely to use guns. The only plus I see to this news is at least there were no mass deaths and maybe this damp squib of a shooting will make prospective psychopaths think twice about how "dramatic" and how "infamous" they'll be.

It was gang related.

Just two gang bangers decided to take one for the homies. Nothing new. Especially in border states.

Gang violence at schools is common, mostly because kids think they won't be shot by a drive by "because they are just kids and are untouchable."

They don't learn gangs don't care for kids, and are not above shooting them in front of their class mates.

Huh... that would explain why, after hearing all the available information, one of my first thoughts was 'why does this sound like something that would be happening in a stereotypical ghetto?' Two shooters trading shots and a hapless bystander also sustaining injuries?

It's probably not premeditated but it's enormously, stupidly irresponsible and a poor choice besides...then again, I'm going to guess wildly that gangbanging isn't exactly indicative of responsibility and good choices in the first place.

 

[Snotnarok]

To sound totally heartless, why can't these insane/depressed people just do the honorable thing and shoot themselves alone instead of shooting everyone they don't know THEN shooting themselves? Yeah that's a great thing to do to your name and your family I'm sure they'll be fine after you shot up an entire school .

 

[spartan231490]

Why are these threads always filled with childish foreigners who selfishly try to change US policies and customs? Hello we don't want to give up our guns or our ways of life. That's not the right answer for us, and crying on the internet over our choice isn't going to make us change. Oh and it sure won't make you guys right about gun control.

It wouldn't matter if a million people were killed in a school shooting. That still wouldn't make giving up guns the right answer. This isn't only about prolonging life but enriching it. If you want to stop school violence (impossible) start by bettering education. Help out poor urban areas. Better the economy and create a better future so people don't feel angry and trapped. Look out for kids that get bullied. Having the police kick in the door and kill anyone who doesn't give up their guns over and over isn't going to create peace. It won't help the economy. It won't make a kid who is bullied suddenly love the bullies.

If you can convince even one person on this site of this you're my hero. Would you mind giving me your secret. I've been arguing on this topic for over a year, backing up every single thing I say with data and studies, and I've gotten no where.

 

[DanDeFool]

-rambling-

Considering that there have now been FOUR shootings at schools in TWO weeks I think that we can AT LEAST make the case for laws to prevent CHILDREN getting their hands on guns and using them in fights!

Still won't work. If their parents can own guns, and don't secure them properly, the kids could get the guns that way.

At some point, you just have to rely on people to be smart and do the responsible thing. The government can't do it all for us.

Well it's evident that they can't do it for themselves either... SOMEBODY has to step up to the plate...

I disagree. I'm perfectly okay (at this point) with leaving people to their own devices in this regard, because the risk of me or someone I know coming to harm in this way is vanishingly small compared to risks I accept already (e.g., driving), and I'd much rather lose the few to protect the rights of the many than lose the rights of the many to save a few.

Besides, like I said in my ramblings that you probably didn't read or care about, it's too much work and it really won't help anyway, so why bother? At the end of the day, there are still going to be crazy, dangerous people out there, and you're going to have to live with it.

Newsflash: The world does NOT revolve around you! What may have missed your understanding is that EVERY time someone is hurt/killed in these absurdly frequent shootings then there are always people that knew the person hurt/killed and as such will feel sadness/anger because of this shooting that could have been prevented if the NRA and gun nuts didn't refuse to allow gun control

EDIT: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-legislation-remove-second-amendment-and-rush-law-methods-gun-control-prevent-more-shootings/p686yj9M

Yes. The world does not revolve around me. And, by extension, it does not revolve around the victims of these horrific tragedies either. I know how callous that sounds, but it's true. To expect an entire country, millions of people, to give up one of their fundamental rights, the right to own implements of personal defense (arguably, the intended purpose of firearms) is foolhardy and shortsighted.

Here's a newsflash for you: controlling firearms will NOT stop gun violence. Banning weapons will NOT stop people from hurting and killing each other. If stopping crime was as simple as making things illegal, we would have no need for police or prisons or alarm systems or private security contractors.

Of course, there is another question nobody seems to ask. Why wasn't anyone there to defend the victims of these tragedies? I never hear about anyone shooting back at these perpetrators. Perhaps moving for a better-armed populace of law-abiding citizens would be a better option than guaranteeing that all law-abiding citizens will forever be disarmed and defenseless?

 

[DanDeFool]

Besides, like I said in my ramblings that you probably didn't read or care about, it's too much work and it really won't help anyway, so why bother?

That's just defeatist, guilt-consoling bullshit.

Trying to improve the world, quality of life, the safety of others is a goal to which many people gladly devote their time and energy. Some of those efforts may fail, but at least they've tried. At the end of the day, what will you and others like you have done? Consoled yourself by saying that nothing you can do will change anything, because deep down you lack the courage and conviction to try.

I'd rather try and fail than not try at all.

I agree entirely. Of course, I'd prefer we try something that actually has some chance of success rather than something that is doomed to failure from the get-go. Of course, civilization has been trying to stop this kind of shit for millennia (and have been way more successful than they get credit for, by the way), so I'd be happy to hear an alternative that isn't based on myopic, reactionary bullshit.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

I'm no Chihuahua, and I'm no Nazi... and yet.

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Expect to see reasonable folks to try and defend themselves in a reasonable manner.

 

[AgedGrunt]

Why are these threads always filled with childish foreigners who selfishly try to change US policies and customs? Hello we don't want to give up our guns or our ways of life. That's not the right answer for us, and crying on the internet over our choice isn't going to make us change. Oh and it sure won't make you guys right about gun control.

It wouldn't matter if a million people were killed in a school shooting. That still wouldn't make giving up guns the right answer. This isn't only about prolonging life but enriching it...

How are people's live's being "Enriched" with these all too frequent shootings and an average of six months between MASS shootings? How is life being prolonged when more lives per 100 are taken per year at the hands of guns in the USA than in ANY other country not at war in the world? How do you justify 18 people dying due to guns per day? (http://www.sott.net/article/255592-The-US-has-averaged-more-than-18-gun-deaths-every-day-since-the-Newtown-School-shooting ). How can you sit back and let the facts do the talking when said facts show that since 1968 more US citizens have died at the hands of civilian gun owners than in ALL of the wars in the ENTIRE history of the USA put together? (1,171,177 from all wars, 1,384,171 from civilian guns since 1968. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/ )

Millions of guns in the United States didn't criminally fire on, injure or kill anyone today because they had no violent owners. But I guess interpreting statistics rather than using a few to reach the conclusion you want is asking too much.