73.2% of all quoted statistics are made up.Pr0 InSaNiTy said:Most people lie about their IQ anyway
73.2% of all quoted statistics are made up.Pr0 InSaNiTy said:Most people lie about their IQ anyway
I'm not sure why everybody seems so frightened by the prospect of some measure of intelligence, I mean, sportsmen brag about the speed at which they can run the 100m but that doesn't put other sportsmen off, it inspires them to do better - to beat the other person in sporting competition. I believe that IQ is not arbitrary (nature) but can be developed by training your brain (nurture), you know; reading books, playing games, studying etc.MontyGommo said:If you IQ is actually that high, you should be smart enough to know not to brag about it.
Not true. The IQ test is based on patterns, deductions (ie odd one out), memory and understanding (definitions or emotions). Granted, there is a small bit of maths, but it hardly counts for anything (I did kinda badly in that bit, and I still got way above the 'average' of 100)Assassinator said:Someone who really really really sucks with numbers (like moi) will fuck up an IQ test wich would result in a lower score.
You misunderstand me I believe, I do agree that those who high on IQ tests are often smarter than those that score lower (I mean significantly though). However, believe that there's no way to really measure intelligence, there's too many subjects, ideas, philosophies, facts, etc. to just pack into one test. A person could study for 200 years straight and still only be hitting the tip of the iceberg. Plus, there are certain things that really just can't be measured, such as common sense, creativity, problem solving, etc. Also, the brain is not always consistent, you may be considered amazing at problem solving but get stumped at the simplest of problems. Those are things you can only learn by actually getting to know a person and seeing what they're like. Besides, even if you could measure them, there's no accurate way to put a score for it and dictate that one person's smarter than the other because they received 5 more points, or even 10. Regardless, we don't even fully understand the human brain yet so to try and measure a person's intelligence with only a partial understanding of the subject is just futile in itself.Lord Azrael said:An IQ test is NOT about memorizing formulae, the test is designed to be independant of learned phenomena so it tests pattern matching skills and the ability to think outside the box.TriggerUnhappy said:Snip
I would think the average IQ for the posters on this fine forum to be higher than 100 (base average) simply due to the fact that we are computer literate and (mostly apart from trolls) able to articulate ourselves somewhat eloquently. [sic]
I realise that different IQ tests can be subjective but what of MENSA ones, I'm at 146, that's not bragging, it's a statement of 'fact'. I do notice I find it easier to talk to people who are in the same sort of bracket as me - 120 plus - just because they are more likely to understand what I'm talking about and the tangents I go off on.
Come shoot me down but I'm trying to balance the litany of hate!
Yep, I agree that it's not an absolute scale, someone with an IQ of 150 is not necessarily cleverer than someone with 145, but they are likely to be more savvy than someone with an IQ of 110 for example. You might have missed my other post during your epic dissertation (all about sprinters!)TriggerUnhappy said:You misunderstand me I believe, I do agree that those who high on IQ tests are often smarter than those that score lower (I mean significantly though). However, believe that there's no way to really measure intelligence, there's too many subjects, ideas, philosophies, facts, etc. to just pack into one test. A person could study for 200 years straight and still only be hitting the tip of the iceberg. Plus, there are certain things that really just can't be measured, such as common sense, creativity, problem solving, etc. Also, the brain is not always consistent, you may be considered amazing at problem solving but get stumped at the simplest of problems. Those are things you can only learn by actually getting to know a person and seeing what they're like. Besides, even if you could measure them, there's no accurate way to put a score for it and dictate that one person's smarter than the other because they received 5 more points, or even 10. Regardless, we don't even fully understand the human brain yet so to try and measure a person's intelligence with only a partial understanding of the subject is just futile in itself.Lord Azrael said:An IQ test is NOT about memorizing formulae, the test is designed to be independant of learned phenomena so it tests pattern matching skills and the ability to think outside the box.TriggerUnhappy said:Snip
I would think the average IQ for the posters on this fine forum to be higher than 100 (base average) simply due to the fact that we are computer literate and (mostly apart from trolls) able to articulate ourselves somewhat eloquently. [sic]
I realise that different IQ tests can be subjective but what of MENSA ones, I'm at 146, that's not bragging, it's a statement of 'fact'. I do notice I find it easier to talk to people who are in the same sort of bracket as me - 120 plus - just because they are more likely to understand what I'm talking about and the tangents I go off on.
Come shoot me down but I'm trying to balance the litany of hate!
Finally though, IQ tests are pointless even if they are reliable, because it proves nothing whatsoever. What does it show you, that you're smarter than someone else? IQ tests do nothing other than soothe the ego of people that want to prove how smart they are, which is pretty funny because one would have to be stupid to brag about a simple score they got for their intelligence. The reason being, nobody is truly smart at all, we know so little about everything around us yet insist that we're amazingly intelligent. The truly smart people realize just how little they know in the grand scheme of things, but make due with what they have and know, and keep trying to learn more.
Sorry for the long rant, came out longer than I thought it would be.