Sgtkillalot0 said:
This. It's really not worth wasting time worrying about what could have been. Besides, if you avoid the ones who prefer the douchebags, you've probably dodged a bullet right there
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This. It's really not worth wasting time worrying about what could have been. Besides, if you avoid the ones who prefer the douchebags, you've probably dodged a bullet right there
Mortons4ck said:A few points for your consideration:
I believe this goes back to our ancestors in the Ice Age. The douche bags were the ones that went out and hunted Woolly Mammoths, because back then there was nothing more bro-tastic than killing creatures for meat. Often times they would perform a ritual to sanctify and imply domination of said kill. (This ritual would later evolve into what we now know as the "T-bag".) Natural selection dictates that the man who brings in the most meat to provide, is the best partner.
Furthermore, many women are under the false impression that they can "change this douchebag of a man, into a wonderful caring human being." This viewpoint is very similar to a common delusion held by males in that "When she's talking about her feelings, she obviously wants me to give her constructive criticism about how to fix all her problems." These views will only invite disaster.
True, but you do want to get some relationship experience under your belt while you're young. Your WILL (and I know this sounds horrible) mess up your first couple of relationship. This way, when you do get into a relationship with someone you really like, you will have learned to avoid (most of) the pitfalls that would have otherwise spelled doom for your relationship.Vohn_exel said:My brother tries to get me to change who I am all the time to get a girl. But if I ended up with a girl that loved me for something she thought I was, it wouldn't be a great relationship. If they don't love you for who you are, it's not really love, is it? I'm just like you are TC, and hopefully I too will one day find the girl that's right for me. I can't be anything but what I am, and I hope that one day I'll find some girl thats insane enough to want to live with that forever
Oh crap, thats not good. I'm twenty five and I haven't had a girlfriend since I was fourteen! And she was the only one I'd had before that! Quick, women find me attractive!
But yeah, I'm hoping that in dealing with horrible roomates, I've gained at least some kind of buffer to completely destroying any actual girl I find that isn't very picky.
Women don't care about chivalrous, nice guys. They're looking for interesting guys. Douchebags may be douchebags, but at least it gives women something to talk about with their girly friends. Because, to a woman, moaning about their boyfriends is interesting.
Being nice is boring. Simple as.
Being nice is boring. Simple as.
Correction: NO women appreciate chivalry. Their mothers have taught them that if you are so much as being nice to them you are trying to get in their pants while if you are a prick to them they feel that they must work to get in YOUR pants because you obviously don't want them.Erana said:
And no, you won't. I thought this until I got into my 30's and all the women were still running to the assholes, right after leaving an asshole.Jark212 said:
be careful about slipping into the 'friend zone' if your interested in a girl. being chivalrous and decent for long periods of time without making a move will lead said girl to valuing you as a friend and that is fine if you want to be friends, but difficult to move from 'friend' to 'potential relationship'.
ask the girl out for a friendly coffee even if you don't know her amazingly well, that way you can get to know her while having already stated your interest, but if it doesn't work then it's far easier to remain friends after it then hyping up a big date and having a whole evening planned, as this can feel like your trying too hard.
and chivalry is not dead, many of my closest friends are girls (I'm a male cheerleader who hangs around with predominantly my female team mates) and appreciate you doing things like carrying large boxes/holding open doors, just be careful that your actually helping them rather than doing something for them they could have easily done on their own... like running round their side of the car to open their door
ask the girl out for a friendly coffee even if you don't know her amazingly well, that way you can get to know her while having already stated your interest, but if it doesn't work then it's far easier to remain friends after it then hyping up a big date and having a whole evening planned, as this can feel like your trying too hard.
and chivalry is not dead, many of my closest friends are girls (I'm a male cheerleader who hangs around with predominantly my female team mates) and appreciate you doing things like carrying large boxes/holding open doors, just be careful that your actually helping them rather than doing something for them they could have easily done on their own... like running round their side of the car to open their door
The misconception people have is that the purpose of their life is to enjoy it when the reality it is too breed sure its great to be with someone you love but biologically your body and instinct will pick people with better genes (good looking) or have lots of resources (money) not by how much they will make you happy and thus assholes get a free ride because they take risks and treat people in a way that breaks their self essteme which gives them the freedom to take because the other person doesn't feel able to stop them bullying is not a sign of being troubled but a evolutionary trait.
I don't know that much about hippies, but didn't they fill the same cultural niche for their respective generations in their identifiable costume and personality stereotype as a subculture that existed in some form as a backlash against or consequence of the mainstream culture and values?Kinguendo said:
Please tell me if I've misinterpreted the two as I probably know less about this than I should.
On Topic: isn't the perceived female attraction to jerks a derivative of the instincts that make the alpha male the most desirable one, and that once these girls leave high school they are drawn to partners who share a common interest other than sex? (at least in general)
Also, I don't think feminists intended to kill chivalry, it just got confused with its more hardy relation chauvinism and became a casualty of equal opportunity law reforms.
Here's the thing. As a feminist I'm opposed to sexist behaviour. Chivalry in my experience is politeness code for men when around women. This means that a qualifying point for receiving that politeness is being a particular sex. That's sexist.
If you'd like a less convoluted version think of this. Holding a door only for women is sexist. Holding a door for anyone is polite.
Further distinction needs to be made between a nice person and Nice Guy (tm). The latter is a manipulative, narcissistic person who blames women for his own shortcomings and for his inability to find dates when he is only out to get laid and manipulative to do so. The Nice Guy (tm) uses the guise of friendship in order to get close to women then complains when they won't sleep with him because he is a friend. It's that kind of misrepresentation of intentions that pisses us off. More information here [http://www.heartlessbitches.com/rants/niceguys/ng.shtml].
If you'd like a less convoluted version think of this. Holding a door only for women is sexist. Holding a door for anyone is polite.
Further distinction needs to be made between a nice person and Nice Guy (tm). The latter is a manipulative, narcissistic person who blames women for his own shortcomings and for his inability to find dates when he is only out to get laid and manipulative to do so. The Nice Guy (tm) uses the guise of friendship in order to get close to women then complains when they won't sleep with him because he is a friend. It's that kind of misrepresentation of intentions that pisses us off. More information here [http://www.heartlessbitches.com/rants/niceguys/ng.shtml].
Well in a world with "Edward Cullen" characters (extremely loose usage) where the only defining characteristic is they seem to treat women like garbage given any chance it would be a sign of those guys are bad ignore them. The issue starts with this tortured soul, heart of a poet bullshit that is attached to these cunts (The only word). This also ties into the tend-and-befriend reaction in women (sort of like fight or flight but this is a community cohesion instinct, communities of friends stay together communities of enemies fall apart) which compels them to help and protect those the percieve as damaged and vulnerable. We've all seen women who love the damaged guy.
How many novels centre around a guy trying to be decent? I can't name one and I'm trying.
How many novels centre around a guy trying to be decent? I can't name one and I'm trying.
Yeah, it sucks, it really does. Two main things are to blame, I think. One, the feminist movement took things beyond women getting equal rights, into the territory of "women are absolutely no different from men," which is just bull. It's not true. There are differences, physically and emotionally, but their fight to be seen as equals has won them that "privilege." Now they expect to be treated no different than men, and men treat them just as expected. It's sad, really: women used to be respected and loved, but now they're too often just viewed as sex toys.
Which brings me to the second reason: sex. Our culture has embraced sex as a meaningless pastime, something to do with someone when you just want to have fun. There is no value in it anymore. So when you mix a lack of respect for women with a culture that values nothing more than a good time and sees no real value in sex... this is what happens. It's a complete breakdown of our societal values, and it's not exactly inching us away from eventual destruction.
Which brings me to the second reason: sex. Our culture has embraced sex as a meaningless pastime, something to do with someone when you just want to have fun. There is no value in it anymore. So when you mix a lack of respect for women with a culture that values nothing more than a good time and sees no real value in sex... this is what happens. It's a complete breakdown of our societal values, and it's not exactly inching us away from eventual destruction.
I laugh. It's a kind of sad laugh, because you're absolutely right, but a laugh nonetheless.SuperGilfer said:
The existential state of everyone here. Good job on birnging a philosophical issue into this.tellmeimaninja said:
Honestly, it would be fun to see where a philosophy thread went on this site. Off to find out.
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Chivalry's not dead it's on the couch where (they) made it sleep, sorry got nothing else to say just had a song stuck in my head.Omikron009 said:
OK, riddle me this... A guy walks through a door first, sees a woman walking behind him and holds the door open. There's noone else behind her. Is this him being sexist?Labyrinth said:
According to many, many stupid fucking feminists (SFFs for short), this is sexist. Pointing this out is a sure-fire way to get a door slammed in your face.
