Skyrim fans aren't superior to MW3 fans.

[OldNewNewOld]

No fan is superior to another fan. It's the games that can be superior to each other.
Now which game is superior to which, that's not on me to judge. I don't really like neither of them, so I wouldn't be the best to judge ^.^

 

[Flames66]

So I was looking at this [http://fandom.memebase.com/2011/11/07/fanart-cosplay-damn-right-you-are/], and I thought it was truly pathetic, for what I think it implies.

I think it is the same over the top humour as shooting someone in the head for not knowing who the Beetles are. Not a big deal.

 

[easternflame]

Dude, JUST A POLL. You can't be serious. It was just which one did you expect more. That's all. You can't get mad at them

It's not the poll, it's the comments. 'Faith in humanity has been restored' over a fucking choice between games. It's a matter of preference, but I don't expect many here to share my views. I get the impression many people on the escapist sit firmly in the Skyrim camp and have no tolerance for any CoD games.
Honestly... They're both fine games, and I'll probably get either/both of them at some point.

No, don't get me wrong. I love both. I just finished MW3. I just think it's a stupid discussion. Mostly because it's about COD fans being MOSTLY, multiplayer. Hence, faith in humanity has been restored.

 

[peruvianskys]

As a passive fan of both, I don't really have a dog in this fight - but I definitely think that there are some pieces of media in a given genre, even video games, that can be shown pretty objectively to be of higher artistic merit. I'm not saying this is a particular case of one being better than the other, but people who read War and Peace aren't crazy for saying that it is a superior piece of literature to, say, Twilight. If video games are ever going to be accepted as worthwhile, we in the community need to start having the kind of self-censuring and discernment that leads to artistry and innovation being valued over mush.

TLR version - When you have a relatively new medium as disrespected and misunderstood as video games are, it can't hurt to have people who are a little bit snobby when it comes to differentiating between mass-produced tripe and works of relatively high artistic merit. Skyrim fans or whatever don't need to be dicks about it, but the video gaming community cannot afford to suspend all possible judgements relating to quality and artistic worth. Maybe that sounds like justifying elitism, but I'm sure that around the time motion picture technology was invented, lots of people just used it to make porn or "Man does backflip" - I'm glad there were people who had the discernment to say that Metropolis was a better direction to head in.

 

[Thaius]

You're right in that a blanket statement that people who like Call of Duty are inferior to people who like other games is inherently far too general to be correct.

However, really, this is essentially an incorrect, stereotyped version of a very legitimate comparison; those who play Call of Duty at the complete exclusion of other games are, at worst, intensely shallow in their understanding of the medium (and likely art in general), and at best, not actually very interested in video games. To play only one game series, especially when all one plays is the multiplayer, demonstrates a lack of understanding of (and surprisingly often, an intentional disregard for) this medium's diversity and true value. That is something I take issue with, and something that will hopefully be defeated as time goes on; after all, it's far less common for people to only watch one film series or only read books by one author. It's artistically shallow, and certainly not good for the person doing it.

So in short, I agree that making the statement that Skyrim fans are inherently and universally superior to Call of Duty is very, very wrong; however, I also think it's important to see the kernel of legitimate thought behind this ignorant generalization.

 

[Trivea]

I think the OP of the Rage Comic was just expressing joy that more people were looking forward to a multi-level fantasy epic than to Generic Brownish Gray Shooter 17. I don't have anything against CoD personally but that's simply because I have no opinion on it. There are only so many guns you can press your avatar's cheek into before they start running together.

Yes, I am a Skyrim (Wood Elf archer stabby sneaky type) fan. No, I don't think I'm better than CoD fans because I was raised on games like Quake and that ilk in the 90's thanks to my dad, so I don't have any ill feelings towards people who still enjoy gun-and-grenade type FPSs. I just don't think there's been a lot of variety in war-themed FPS games in the past few years and I don't see MW3 changing that.

On the whole, I think whoever made the rage comic was expressing a valid point of view in a skewed and badly-represented way.

 

[Draitheryn]

Why am I wasting my time hunting and searching for something that remotely resembles your rant. Either way, most of us are guilty of being opinionated in some way towards people who read Twilight, watch Jersey Shore, or any number of things. It's human nature to have an affinity towards people who agree with us.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

In general, I would say that RPG fans would tend to be more patient and slightly more intelligent than run-n-gun FPS fans.

And by the way, grow some skin! So what if one group insults another group?

 

[Thaius]

As a passive fan of both, I don't really have a dog in this fight - but I definitely think that there are some pieces of media in a given genre, even video games, that can be shown pretty objectively to be of higher artistic merit. I'm not saying this is a particular case of one being better than the other, but people who read War and Peace aren't crazy for saying that it is a superior piece of literature to, say, Twilight. If video games are ever going to be accepted as worthwhile, we in the community need to start having the kind of self-censuring and discernment that leads to artistry and innovation being valued over mush.

TLR version - When you have a relatively new medium as disrespected and misunderstood as video games are, it can't hurt to have people who are a little bit snobby when it comes to differentiating between mass-produced tripe and works of relatively high artistic merit. Skyrim fans or whatever don't need to be dicks about it, but the video gaming community cannot afford to suspend all possible judgements relating to quality and artistic worth. Maybe that sounds like justifying elitism, but I'm sure that around the time motion picture technology was invented, lots of people just used it to make porn or "Man does backflip" - I'm glad there were people who had the discernment to say that Metropolis was a better direction to head in.

I'm quoting this for truth. As much as I'm not a fan of people who think themselves to be inherently and universally superior to others in the artistic world (even the most insightful student of art must remember that Shakespeare was once nothing more than low-class entertainment), it's true that there must be an intellectual community that values artistic merit above "dude did you see that killstreak I just got." Though Infinity Ward's Call of Duty games (especially Modern Warfare) actually has some brilliant first-person storytelling, very few Call of Duty fans seem to even be in it for that.

Also, I found it amusing that your TLR version was longer than your other paragraph.

 

[EvilPicnic]

To be honest, given that the average Skyrim player is about 20, and the average MW3 player is about 12, I would say that Skyrim fans are superior.

Chronologically superior.

 

[Belaam]

As a passive fan of both, I don't really have a dog in this fight - but I definitely think that there are some pieces of media in a given genre, even video games, that can be shown pretty objectively to be of higher artistic merit. I'm not saying this is a particular case of one being better than the other, but people who read War and Peace aren't crazy for saying that it is a superior piece of literature to, say, Twilight. If video games are ever going to be accepted as worthwhile, we in the community need to start having the kind of self-censuring and discernment that leads to artistry and innovation being valued over mush.

TLR version - When you have a relatively new medium as disrespected and misunderstood as video games are, it can't hurt to have people who are a little bit snobby when it comes to differentiating between mass-produced tripe and works of relatively high artistic merit. Skyrim fans or whatever don't need to be dicks about it, but the video gaming community cannot afford to suspend all possible judgements relating to quality and artistic worth. Maybe that sounds like justifying elitism, but I'm sure that around the time motion picture technology was invented, lots of people just used it to make porn or "Man does backflip" - I'm glad there were people who had the discernment to say that Metropolis was a better direction to head in.

Word of advice: Your TLR version really shouldn't be _longer_ than the first. ;p

As a middle school teacher, I can tell you that MW3 is a regular topic of conversation. I think one kid out of 130 recognized Skyrim when I mentioned it.

Take from that what you will about the artistic merit or fan base of one game verses the other.

 

[TheGreatAndPowerfulZOG]

They aren't necessarily overall superior, just superior in one specific area.

 

[maturin]

Did you read the poll?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

How do you live with such a paradox?

How do you live with such a complex?

It's not easy. My mind twists in downward, upward circles as the fish drown.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Okay, I totally agree that you can't judge a gamer based on what they like, that's just dick...

However, I still think every CoD game since MW1 sucks so much dick (That is where the series jumped the shark if you ask me. Once you nuke the player where else can you go? Nuke them in space?), and they became just generally shit when Treyarch took over after the whole Activision scandal (why does no one remember this, I was sure that this would be the death of Call of Duty since the original developers left, but NOOOO, no one cares, all they see is a name and a multi-million dollar advertising campaign and they're sold. WHAT HAPPENED TO LOYALTY MAN! /Rant).

With that said, it still doesn't diminish the players of the game. Should they be playing Battlefield instead because it's got just generally better design, is more fun and varied (including a straight up Call of Duty like mode to satisfy people who don't like having to struggle to survive, because, you know, battles should be easy and snipers never show up to wars), and it's original design team is intact? Yes. But whatever, a lot of people rave about Uncharted while I see it for the racist, retarded Tomb Raider clone it is. No big, to each their own and so long as they're having fun I'm not against it (though much like scientology I just have to comment on how silly it all is, but I do so knowing it won't take away joy from the true fans).

Side note: I haven't touched it, but I'm SURE Skyrim has a retarded plot written by children (if someone can honestly tell me this isn't true and give me a good example I will totally change my opinion but Bethesda has a history of taking even the most compelling series -cough-fallout-cough- and turning all their characters into bland morons so I don't know how they can take a bland moron-fest of a series and turn it around). Now this doesn't make it a bad game, but to me it says that if people are indeed using it's name and their love for it to claim their better than CoD players, then they just don't have a leg to stand on because the games plot is probably as stupid as CoD's but in 10x the time. "MY GAMEZ MAKE ME BETTER!" No... no sir, they don't. We're all losers who stare at screens for extended periods and don't get laid enough.

 

[south-base-spartan]

point of contention: any one who is a dane cook fan is inferior to any one that isn't, this is the exception too the rule

 

[Micalas]

I'm just going to post this as a fan of Skyrim and Modern Warfare.

Personal superiority based on liking one game over another is retarded.
The amount of enjoyment 2 people get out of two different games is subjective. Enjoyment in and of itself is subjective.

WITH THAT SAID! - The effort put into the games can be very easily looked at. Skyrim definitely wins in the effort department and I'll tell you why. The making of Skyrim required that Bethesda stay in line with a series they've been working on since the early 90s. Once they did that, they had to make sure it's self-contained story and questing line as well as the balance of multiple distinct types of enemies were balanced. With something so massive, that requires a lot of reading and re-reading.

Before fanboys jump down my throat let me make a comparison that I'm sure most sane people can agree with. Which do you think is harder to maintain, World of Warcraft or Counter-Strike? You can bet your ass that maintaining balance, server stability, and new content in WoW commands more man hours than it ever will in Counter-Strike. Same with the Skyrim/MW3 comparison. Skyrim requires cohesion to a degree that MW3 does not.