Sounds cool, considering I play Skyrim on my Xbox since my PC can't run it. Very similar to the various keeps you could get in Oblivion, though it sounds more complex, I'm looking forward to this, hopefully it comes with some extras like the patch with Dawnguard did at least.
Skyrim Hearth Fire DLC Leak
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If everyone just wants to use mods then fine, when Bethesda decides to just let all of their PC gaming fanbase use mods and only make DLC for the consoles, however, the first reactions would be, "BETHESDA, HOW KOOD U?! BETRAYURZ! Not like we wouldn't use mods anyway but HOW KOOD U?!"
If Bethesda feels like their modding community is detracting large amounts of DLC sales becase "mods can do it better," what do you think they'll do when ESVI comes out? "Yeah, so we decided Not to support modding in this new installment because we were losing money to ungrateful fans who pissed on us and said that mods were doing a better job than us rather than pay us for the work we'd done to try and enhance their gaming experience. Also, buying Horse Armor is a requirement before buying any other DLC, hurr-durr."
If Bethesda feels like their modding community is detracting large amounts of DLC sales becase "mods can do it better," what do you think they'll do when ESVI comes out? "Yeah, so we decided Not to support modding in this new installment because we were losing money to ungrateful fans who pissed on us and said that mods were doing a better job than us rather than pay us for the work we'd done to try and enhance their gaming experience. Also, buying Horse Armor is a requirement before buying any other DLC, hurr-durr."
it is. and the actual concept of "build your own house" has been touched on before. and this exact description fits a mod i downloaded not long ago, called "build your own house"T0ad 0f Truth said:
Yeah, 1 or 2 guys who aren't getting paid and do it in their free time can make better content for games than an entire game studio with a multi-million dollar budget.SajuukKhar said:
Let's totally support bethesda instead!
It's a bloody joke what bethesda put out compared to what random 15 year olds with an old laptop can. The modding community is the entire reason Skyrim is actually worth playing right now - otherwise you'd get through the campaign once, maybe dick around up to a high level, and then never play it again.
The modding community have improved graphics to levels where even high end computers struggle, they have fixed literally double the amount of glitches and they've added enough content that you have a reason to play another 25hrs. The shitty menus were fixed, the useless map was fixed, the dragons were un-pussified, it brought battles to the land, they improved animations and added dozens more creatures into the game - months before dawnguard was released for 360.
Oh, and hey, custom houses?
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18480
2 months old.
Bethesda make the base game and maybe some new quests, otherwise just get everything else through mods.
Then the community would laugh at their pathetic attempts to stop it, and proceed to mod the game anyway, even if it is just basic textures.Smeggs said:
That's the small community who would actually buy the game on PC, by the way, if Bethesda tried that.
Bethesda release DLC for the console tards and expect the PC version to be infinitely better anyway. That's why skyrim was 1/2 finished at launch - they saved that money because they knew the community would fix the PC version, and they knew all the console players were 13 year olds who wouldn't care anyway and buy all the stupid DLC they can put out. This is how bethesda can make money, and if they were smart they wouldn't change a thing. Make the game fast and release it for everything, get all the sales, let the PC version be modified and make shitty dlc and just enough patches for the consoles to keep the children happy. If they do it properly, the PC versions of their games will be good and they'll still have made lots of money while only having to do little work.
That... last argument makes absolutely zero sense.SajuukKhar said:
You're talking about a LOT of talented professionals with limited time and lots of money versus hobbyists with no money but lots of time. Neither of those compare to the standard definition of the Christian God.
And does buying shivering Isles + Knights of the Nine count if I bought the GOTY edition for 20 USD? Because all the store HAD was the GOTY edition.
That being said, I think I can expand upon your core argument here while incorporating your opponents:
Shivering Isles type content requires sculpting a massive chunk of land as well as crafting all the sound files and textures, NPC skeletons, A.I. and animations on top of everything else. with just a few modders, that would require perhaps at least a year or more of developement, assuming they work on it ONLY in their spare time sometimes. When you have a dev team like Bethesda, it isn't unreasonable to expect them to be able to pump out something akin to the shivering isles within 4-6 months. The problem with this Hearthfire thing is that it DOESN'T include a new, huge landmass to explore. It's just taking pre-existing assets and remixing the games code to allow players to zap buildings into existence. Something that can be accomplished EASILY by a single modder in a month or so.
It's a waste of Bethesdas time to focus on an expansion that provides content equivalent to a simple mod. With the resources at their command, they SHOULD be working on the SKyrim version of Shivering Isles. From what we've heard about Hearth Fire, it is the SAME GOD DAMN THING as what at least TWO mods out there do already.
No offense but, where do you have any evidence to suggest there is no new landmass?Syzygy23 said:
Because it not being mentioned in the tiny DLC description is not proof, Dawnguard's new landmass wasn't mentioned in its description either.
I hope so too. Unless, of course, the hook is that you need something that's super special and super rare if you're interested in building a giant compound for yourself, which would trigger a wild goose chase and yet *another* one of these boring item-collection quests.Andrewtheeviscerator said:
I hate it when I can't just pick a quest, go through it and be done with it. Like, say, getting Fire Salts for Balimund in Riften, or dicking around until I finally nab three Flawless Amethysts for the Argonian innkeeper.
Well, this may convince me to actually buy Skyrim, then! (No, it's not that I hate it or anything, I'm just broke)
The problem is that there are people on consoles (like me) that would like some of the mods you guys have without having to rob a bank to make a good, solid rig to run the PC version. However, you are right. I am starting to feel that Beth isn't putting as much effort into fixing their games as they should, yet when asked about it they are always pointing fingers. Is the Gamebryo engine and its bastard son used in Skyrim to blame? Are the boys in programming to blame? They just put out a game that is just about playable and then let the modding community fix the rest because it's free for them. Unlike patches for consoles which run about 2,000 dollars to dish out.madster11 said:
And no, not all of us are "console tards" or just had our balls drop and not all of us buy all the DLC just because it's fresh and new.
At the end of the day, DLC is (usually) at a much higher quality than that of mods. I also highly doubt that BYOH would be the ONLY feature of this DLC, not to mention the fact that this is a great feature in my opinion for 360 and PS3 as they do not have access to Mods. If you want to use a mod instead fine, but I'm 99% sure the Bethesda version of Building your Own House would be 1000 times better.
I was using generalizations - not all console players are tards, but considering i own all 3 of the current generation as well as a gaming PC, trust me when i say the tard population on 360 is higher than the PS3, and the tard population on the PS3 is higher than PC.TheOneBearded said:
All you need to do is look at CoDs DLC sales to see how many little shits there are with access to their rich daddies credit card to understand, and when you do you'll realize how much sense in money terms it makes for Bethesda to half-ass it with their games and then just slap out some shitty DLC to keep the console masses amused and then just let the modding community do their thing. Bethesda end up making more money this way, and in 3 months time skyrim (on the PC) is an excellent game. Bethesda knew that even if they spent another 6 months on skyrim and made is as good as they can, the modding community would come along and STILL improve it and call them idiots. So why not just release it quick and roll in the money?
Yes, console players for elder scrolls / fallout get fucked over, but considering a very large chunk of console players are <16yo and who will jump on a CoD/BFx game mid-way through a quest in skyrim just because their 'friends' invited them, you have to understand that from bethesdas point of view there's very little to be gained with the console versions beyond initial sales and shit DLC, which are always high.
Just watch, bethesda will put out 1 more patch for skyrim and continue making crap DLC to keep the console ones happy and when they want to show off everything they've done, they'll take a modded copy of the PC version and talk about how they bring the community together and how versatile the engine is and everything else.
Also, just pointing out that you can get a decent gaming PC for under $700, which allows you to play games from literally any generation (right back to the old atari 2600s) while browsing the web and listening to music. More expensive than a console, yes, but it does a lot more. You don't need to spend >$1000 on a PC to get it to play skyrim smoothly. Hell, a HD4870 and Intel E8400 would play it smoother and with better graphics than the console versions. You can get a complete PC with an E8400, 4870 and 4gb of ram for $350aud, so probably less if you're in the US. Then you get yourself an N64 emulator, get the ocarina of time high texture pack and play a version of OOT with better graphics than the 3DS version.
With that logic, they can just abandon all hope of any DLC.T0ad 0f Truth said:
OT: Cool. I always prefer the official stuff to the modded versions. Even when it's silly, it's still less jarring than the mod.
I think this is a smart idea, I mean a user made house that is going to EXACTALY waht they want (maybe) they should make it go into The Sims mode and allow you to shape it just the way you want, that'd be awesome!