'Slut' Parade

[beema]

Calling yourself a "slut" and marching around acting like a slut doesn't help anyone, especially the people marching.

Yeah, now they just look like sluts AND idiots.

People are free to wear what they want, but I think people are free to respond to that attire however they want as well (excluding criminal acts, of course). If they don't want pervs lusting after them wherever they go, then dress different. It's simple. Pervs are going to be out there no matter what, unfortunately.

Dressing slutty doesn't excuse rape, whatsoever, though.
Does it goad rapists further though? Maybe. I was under the impression that a lot of rapists commit it for entirely different reasons besides immediate sexual desires.
If, however, we are talking about date-rape, that's a different story. I completely believe dressing/behaving like a slut spurs on date-rapists. I hate to make a distinction, as if one type of rape is better, but they definitely occur very differently.

 

[Steppin Razor]

Men get raped too, yehknow.

They wouldn't if they stopped dressing so slutty. Silly men wanting to wear whatever they want.

On topic
I agree with them, but considering that society at large still seems to suffer from this idea that women should dress and act certain ways, I can't help but feel that they have damaged their cause by going about it this way and that most people are just going to brush this off as them being dirty sluts not worth listening to :/

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

"Don't tell us how to dress, tell men not to rape"

Far as I know, the law already has.

This isn't about law. This is about culture.

Thousands of women in the US and Canada have marched in response to a Toronto police officer's comment that women should try not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised.

Yes it is. Police Officers enforce the law. They aren't bound by culture.

If you are giving the power of culture to one group of people, then you have to give them the law to enforce it. As has been said, rapists target the vulnerable members of society.

About Victims

44% of victims are under age 18
80% are under age 30
60% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police
Approximately 2/3 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim

It's very much about the law. And vulnerable people not feeling able to come forward to the people given charge to enforce the laws, that are already there in the case of male/female rape, but not for m/m, f/f or f/m.

3 IN 20 MEN ARE AFFECTED BY SEXUAL VIOLENCE

If you are acting as a slut (male/female) then you are increasing your chance exponentially of coming across someone with STIs or violent tendencies.

Sluts also should be safe from those that spread STIs. They aren't. That's nothing to do with culture.

If you honestly wish to allow any person to multiple sexual partners, then you have to have a system where both parties can feel safe. This is upheld by law.

If you wish to change culture, then you need to address the basis behind it, which is control over the victim. And that would require a system far more draconian than the one we have now.

We all wish to live in the land of "Do as thou will", but some people will always take that as "Do unto others what has been done to us". And that often includes violence.

Especially when we have a culture that glamorizes violence as a means to achieve.

 

[albinoterrorist]

There's a lot of victim blaming and willful ignorance about in this thread.
To those concerned, thank you for making me taste my dinner again.

That anyone can seriously argue that the victim of rape should be held accountable for a reprehensible crime they have suffered simply due to the way they chose to dress is beyond me.
I don't know on what kind of software you people are operating, and I'm not sure I want to know.

There's this thing called "empathy".
You should try it.
Please try it.

We don't believe they are accountable. Merely that their choices are clearly not helping.

To those saying the Government should tell people "not to rape" - They do.
It's called the law.
The entire problem is those individuals who choose to exist outside the law, for whatever reason.
Reminding them of their obligations is hardly going to turn them back.

As for teaching women self-defense - They do.
Anyone can happily join a martial arts or fighting club, but very few bother.
Sure, we can teach them how to use pepperspray and provide it.. But what happens when that is no longer a suitable deterrent?
Do we give them heavier equipment? If so, how do we prevent certain individuals from choosing to misuse it?
Thoughtless arming of the populace was, after all, how this whole Middle Eastern fiasco started..

So - What options are really left? I'll tell you - ask the women nicely to dress more appropriately. It won't work in the majority of cases, and even in the ones where it would, it'll likely be ignored (much like the rapists ignoring the law), but it's the best they can honestly do with such a limited playing hand.

As for empathy.. Well, while it can be a very nice trick, and you do appreciate the effort he takes, once a fire-eater burns his mouth, you can't help but feel rather.. Half-hearted with your sympathy.
After all, he choose to take the risk.

 

[LordFisheh]

You people are missing the point! Being proud of sexuality is wrong, because it just is... the value in ingrained in our society (from the Church, no less), and therefore has absolute moral authority. Shame upon the fornicators!

/sarcasm off

 

[Cat of Doom]

Well I cant say I dont take advantage of the pretty ones.

 

[Terminal Blue]

It is an urban myth that men who sleep around are heroes etc as most people normally see them as douches, look at Jersey shore for example.

Specific examples don't prove very much, think more broadly. For one, do you think the guys you're referring to are hated because they get a lot of tail?

There's also a difference between being liked and being respected. For men, fucking a lot is generally inherently respectable, even if you don't like or respect the person who does it.

Why does the word slut exist as a gendered term in the first place.

On top of this, the male and female brain differ greatly when it comes to sex. Men are happier to sleep about due to not being tied down by any factors, where as women are not due to being lumped with a kid for 9 months and needing a man to help them.

Have you heard of contraception?

Also.. have you seen this research? To the extent that it exists, it's pretty bullshit. Anyone claiming to be able to link neurological 'sexual difference' to specific behaviours is just guessing through superficial observation at present. We don't know enough about neurology to make those claims without factoring in cultural influence.

This is all due to our instincts and seeing that we are still animals, we still go by them, thus to try to change this is only going to end in disaster/IS ending in disaster.

That's a theory based on superficial observation of behavioural trends, and it's generally not very well substantiated and doesn't link in to any observation in any field other than evolutionary psychology.

Look at female rates of depression in the West. It has significantly increased since women have tried to be men (not attain equal rights, but to try to be men in every possible way)

Er... No..

Go and read Freud's original case notes on hysteria. I think you'll find women were pretty fucked up back when they weren't 'trying to be men'.

Also, rates of depression are based on diagnosis. Have you considered that the much higher male suicide rate might be based on undiagnosed depression? Have you factored in the general truism than men don't tend to talk about or articulate their feelings and considered how that might affect reporting rates for depression?

Statistics can be very easy to misconstrue.

 

[tigermilk]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Quoted in the name of truth (nothing else to add, quoted post covers it all).

 

[Steppin Razor]

This is the thing.
It is an urban myth that men who sleep around are heroes etc as most people normally see them as douches, look at Jersey shore for example.
On top of this, the male and female brain differ greatly when it comes to sex. Men are happier to sleep about due to not being tied down by any factors, where as women are not due to being lumped with a kid for 9 months and needing a man to help them. This is all due to our instincts and seeing that we are still animals, we still go by them, thus to try to change this is only going to end in disaster/IS ending in disaster. Look at female rates of depression in the West. It has significantly increased since women have tried to be men (not attain equal rights, but to try to be men in every possible way)

/facedesk

Let me repeat myself here in the chance that I can adequately convey how stupid I consider this post.

/facedesk
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There truly is no hope for you if you believe something as moronic as what you just said.

 

[EeveeElectro]

I'm pretty sure men don't rape because of what a woman is wearing, more so because they are a fucking sick pervert whose balls need to be dropped in acid. I've read plenty of stories about women who don't put it all out there and have been raped.
I do agree some ladies should cover up though. Not just because the men who may think, "That women has her thighs on show, she must want it" but because it looks awful to dress like a slut, you don't want that sort of reputation and the health risks some people may get.

The captcha makes me feel like I'm drunk e_e

 

[Nickompoop]

Of all the ways to protest rape, this may be the worst. It's almost like they're trolling the newspapers.

 

[Kenami]

Dave Chappelle said it best.

Start at 4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNdfdQvdVc

Don't wear a prostitute's uniform and you won't be treated like a prostitute.

In my opinion this thread should end with this.

 

[Margrave Rinstock]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Yes. They do have a point in that no blame should be shifted from the actual culprits of sexual assault. In my mind, rapists ought to be hanged at the very least. Nevertheless, the backlash is TOTALLY OUT OF PROPORTION. Yes, the policeman could have been a tad more tactful. No, I don't see why the response is "Promiscuity FTW!", and I don't see why a thoughtless comment made so may people take to the streets.

I, for one, will continue to use "slut" in a derogatory fashion to describe promiscuos women. However, I will also describe similarly-acting men as "Rakes" and "Man-whores", as is only fair.

 

[WarpZone]

I still say the language the protesters are using is almost deliberately misleading.

Protesters: "We're sluts and we're proud of it!"

Me: "Right on!"

Media: "They're not actually sluts, they just like wearing short skirts."

Me: "Wait, what? Why are they calling themselves sluts, then?"

Feminists: "They're actually saying that men have no right to rape them just for looking pretty."

Me: "Then why didn't they just write that on the signs in the first place?"

Morons: "As this informal survey from 1952 indicates, they're clearly asking for it!"

Actual Scientists: "We find no direct causal link between mode of dress and sexual violence."

Me: "Okay... you guys all be mad at each other for being 'wrong,' I'll be over here."

 

[Prof.Wood]

Did this image make anyone else angry? I know only men can legally be charged for rape but women do rape as well and from some articles that I have perused it's equally bad if not worse.

But anyway..... from what I gather this is partially about equality of genders something that I don't think will happen for a looooooooooooooong time if ever because we live in a world that isn't any where near equal, on a side note I don't think that we are equal genders I think women are better than men so don't strive for equality become better than what we are throw off the shackles of oppression, tare of those constrictive garbs that have adorned your bodies for far too long and run naked through the streets.

 

[funguy2121]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Women are not raped because they "dress like sluts." Is that out of the way? Good, then it's fair to say that the way a woman dresses won't have much to do with whether they are raped.

I don't think hedonism is all that bad, not inherently at least. As for the warped part, hey, if you want hypersexuality in young women, just repress the Hell out of them. That's why North America is so naughty in the first place, because "everything is wrong."

 

[BarbaricGoose]

So they like sex. What're you gonna do, sue them? It's their body; you shouldn't care what they do with it; they're not putting you in any danger.

 

[WarpZone]

Dave Chappelle said it best.

Start at 4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNdfdQvdVc

Don't wear a prostitute's uniform and you won't be treated like a prostitute.

In my opinion this thread should end with this.

So... you walk up to them, ask for a price list. They tell you "I'm not for sale." You apologize and go look for another person in a sexual service provider's uniform, until you find one who is open for business. No rape occurs.

Wow, we actually agree on something!

Wait, you mean how prostitutes are treated in areas where prostitution is both legal and regulated, right?

 

[EmpressZombiKitty]

You completely missed the point. The parade was to support rape victims and tear down the whole "she dressed like a slut, she was asking for it" stance.

"Just because I look hungry doesn't mean I want random people showing sausages down my throat".

This exactly!

A more relatable argument for the guys are, What if you wanted to dress up in a nice suit and go out to a party and a cop said to you that you needed to dress in dingy rags so that you aren't "asking" to get mugged.

It's not about being a "slut" per say, it's about the freedom to dress however you'd like.