'Slut' Parade

[gazumped]

Actually there were many ad campaigns telling people not to walk with their phones on display as theft had shot up.
And do you know what happened?
People listened, put their phones away, and theft went down.

But for some reason as soon as you point to a gender then you need a parade and to start screaming about rights.

As for choice and avoidance, how many blacks live in racist neighborhoods? None, because no one is that stupid and realises they are only making trouble for themselves. Now of course this is different if racists came into their homes, but house invasion with rape is a very different to rape on a night out.

Men get raped too, yehknow.

There are ad campaigns telling people not to walk with their phones on display, there are also ad campaigns telling women not to get unlicenced minicabs because they may get raped, no one's had a problem with those adverts. That's because the minicab adverts don't say "don't be slutty" and getting into a cab doesn't lead to a jury finding a defendant not guilty based on an outdated judgement about sexuality and modesty. (Gawd, if we were in the Victorian times this conversation would be based on whether women are stupid for wearing trousers or showing their ankles.)

And... uh... I live in quite a racist part of town and about half of the population here are black. I think a lot of black people aren't going to be scared away by some ignorant white folk.

 

[Discord]

At first this seems like one of those issues where it would be besat to "Keep a 20 Foot Pole out and avoid" not because of the issue itself but because of the storm of opinions and arguments that follow it. But thinking on this and Thinking back to when I was in High School (Kinda Old, I Am) There was a few girls labeled as Loose, Whores, Sluts and more. The definition seem to change with the amount of sexual acts or how long between acts. But when I was younger Being Labeled a Slut (Or any variation) WAS A BAD THING and only the most care free of girls would be proud of it. I Get 100% what there march was about and I fully understand that the Police Officer in Question was Wrong but I believe that they should of united under a different word/banner only to avoid the automatic confusion and scorn that usually follows that word. But that's just my Opinion on the Word it's self the Group and the cause is just.

 

[Sonicron]

They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

In an ideal world, absolutely.

OT: Fine with me. Let them have the word, there are plenty of other verbal abuses I can throw at their heads if I so choose.
That said, I do approve of the reason behind their march.

 

[albinoterrorist]

"lol women should dress how they want without consequences"
No.
Just.. No.

True, if someone wants to rape you, they'll do it, but dressing in a manner to help those thoughts worm their way into their minds doesn't help.

Point in case: I would not march around urban Germany with a swastika armband, because it will exponentially increase the chances of something bad happening.

Nor would I go around more conservative areas (or anywhere, for that matter) in just tight leather arseless chaps with a leather jacket and no shirt.

While I respect your freedom to dress however you want, when it blows up in your face it is, ultimately, your fault for making yourself a more likely target.

Note how i'm not saying "everyone who dresses as a slut will be raped" or "men are provoked beyond self-control when you dress that way", but am merely stating the simple fact that you're essentially tattooing a bullseye to your forehead.

If you're unlucky enough, someone'll eventually try to hit it.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Sigh..

Since a very close friend of mine is involved in organizing one of these. You've totally missed the point, along with most of the people on this thread.

1) It is not advocating sexual promiscuity
2) It is not advocating particular modes of dress
3) It is not advocating anything

It is about the following:

1) That women are held to higher standards of 'respectability' than men.
2) That female sexuality is subject to far more control than male sexuality.
3) That this higher standard functions as both a motive and a mitigating factor in rape cases.

With the ultimate point being that:

Women should not have to adhere to higher standards of behaviour or risk being raped.

Is that clear now?

Also, if you want to me to chart the sad and depressing history of abuses against sexually 'active' women, I'll do it, but I imagine I don't even need to. Sure, there's an element of that in there too, and yes the identity politics of claiming pejorative terms is always difficult, but it can be highly effective (see Queer).

The point is not that women want to be 'sluts'. The point is that the word slut is inherently misogynist and actually describes perfect acceptable behaviours which any fair society should have come to terms with a long time ago.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

So...
What's the difference between a slut and a *****?
A slut sleeps with everyone... a ***** sleeps with everyone but you.

THAT IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION I CAN OFFER TO THIS MAJESTIC THREAD. I AM HUMBLED BY ITS AWE-INSPIRING MAGNIFICENCE. INSHALLAH AND STUFF.

Edit: also, the guy above me seems to have figured it out. Read that shit and do not comment ever again on a thread.

 

[jboking]

Couple of problems here, number one everybody seems to assume that women are raped more frequently when they wear "sluttier clothes". No one I have seen has backed this up with statistical evidence. In fact, I'd say this assumption betrays the idea that the rapist is somehow understandable in his actions. I mean look at her! Shaking her ass, wearing revealing clothes, how can these men control themselves?!

Again, I'd love to see some statistical evidence here.

First: I'm not saying that, objectively, rape victims are always slutty dressers.
It wouldn't surprise me to see that numbers are solid on date-rape cases where women dressed provocatively, but I can't say that as fact. I don't have said numbers.

Second: These women in this protest are, themselves, bringing up this point. The one sign says "Don't tell me how to dress, tell men not to rape", presupposing herself that there is a correlation between provocative dress and rape victims. Again: absolutely not empirical evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers were solid.

Here are some numbers for you.

Think back to what that woman was saying. She wasn't saying there is a correlation, she is saying that a gov official stating that "women just shouldn't dress like sluts" isn't a solution and is plain and simple ignorant. If you want to solve the problem, "Don't tell [women] how to dress, tell men not to rape." Or, in my opinion, provide self-defense courses for this kind of thing.

are we willing to look at things in a different light now?

 

[Android2137]

A guy is walking through a rough neighbourhood waving a wad of cash around, and he gets mugged.
Now, obviously the one who mugged the guy is in the wrong 100%. That was illegal, and he should be punished.
And the guy should have the right to wave around money as much as he wants without fear of being attacked and robbed. But it's a naive and dangerous game to play. Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

Again, not my fault if someone robs me. I have the right to leave my door unlocked, my money out, and my keys in my car. But, at the risk of sounding redundant, it's dangerously naive to do any of those things.

Ahh thank you. I was having trouble figuring out how to articulate my opinion on this and you've provided it for me.

 

[LiquidGrape]

There's a lot of victim blaming and willful ignorance about in this thread.
To those concerned, thank you for making me taste my dinner again.

That anyone can seriously argue that the victim of rape should be held accountable for a reprehensible crime they have suffered simply due to the way they chose to dress is beyond me.
I don't know on what kind of software you people are operating, and I'm not sure I want to know.

There's this thing called "empathy".
You should try it.
Please try it.

 

[Biodeamon]

Oh look another joyus hate thread! yaaaaaaaaayyyyy.

 

[Caligulove]

I think the point of the campaign is to show that they're not sluts, but that the officer in question who made the comment thought the way they dressed was slutty- therefore the campaign is for all women who have been sexually abused, or women who might dress well, but hardly slutty to go out and express how "apparently this is considered slutty"

Im sure there are women that would be considered sluts in the mix there as well, but it's supposed to be about protesting against an atmosphere of blaming the victim. Even if a girl were a 'slut' and dressed provocatively, if they say "no" and someone rapes them it is solely the fault of the sick human being that raped them. The argument of "they were asking for it/bound to happen when dressed like that" doesn't help anything and doesn't change the fact that they were raped or somehow make it less of a crime or a horrible thing to do to another human being. For whatever reason a woman might dress provocatively, it's never their fault for being raped. It's right in the definition- forcible and without consent.

 

[amucha98]

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[btenkink]

The title is Misleading, READ THE ARTICLE!

It's an Anti-Rape protest (yeah important but *yawn* cliche).

Such an article would not have gotten the attention it has (going on 6 pages of comments) if it had an accurate title. The issue has been beaten to death already (especially in the wake of Woman's Day).

Though me posting here just shows the issue has found interesting ways to get attention.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Incidentally, do any of you realize how incredibly offensive it is to compare a woman's body to a phone or a wad of cash?

I'm guessing not.

So much for post-patriarchy, huh lads?

 

[silasbufu]

I'm not sure most men that rape do it just because they want to..It's something more psychologically complicated I would say, and women that dress like sluts fuel these issues, the man feeling teased and somehow inferior and provoked, thus resorting to this.

That's my opinion but I'm just saying what comes to mind, might be totally wrong.

 

[Hawkmoon269]

First off, protesting against the idea that dressing provocatively means a woman can be blamed for getting raped? Right on.

Second, protesting a word that means that its wrong for women to have sex on their own terms? Ditto. I can't think of a reason why women shouldn't have every sexual freedom that men do.

These women have got it right.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Sigh..

Since a very close friend of mine is involved in organizing one of these. You've totally missed the point, along with most of the people on this thread.

1) It is not advocating sexual promiscuity
2) It is not advocating particular modes of dress
3) It is not advocating anything

It is about the following:

1) That women are held to higher standards of 'respectability' than men.
2) That female sexuality is subject to far more control than male sexuality.
3) That this higher standard functions as both a motive and a mitigating factor in rape cases.

With the ultimate point being that:

Women should not have to adhere to higher standards of behaviour or risk being raped.

Is that clear now?

Also, if you want to me to chart the sad and depressing history of abuses against sexually 'active' women, I'll do it, but I imagine I don't even need to. Sure, there's an element of that in there too, and yes the identity politics of claiming pejorative terms is always difficult, but it can be highly effective (see Queer).

The point is not that women want to be 'sluts'. The point is that the word slut is inherently misogynist and actually describes perfect acceptable behaviours which any fair society should have come to terms with a long time ago.

This is the thing.
It is an urban myth that men who sleep around are heroes etc as most people normally see them as douches, look at Jersey shore for example.
On top of this, the male and female brain differ greatly when it comes to sex. Men are happier to sleep about due to not being tied down by any factors, where as women are not due to being lumped with a kid for 9 months and needing a man to help them. This is all due to our instincts and seeing that we are still animals, we still go by them, thus to try to change this is only going to end in disaster/IS ending in disaster. Look at female rates of depression in the West. It has significantly increased since women have tried to be men (not attain equal rights, but to try to be men in every possible way)

 

[googleback]

NOT REALLY much to actually PROTEST here is there..?

Go bother the Westboro Baptist Church please! THAT'S something we can all enjoy!