'Slut' Parade

[LinkasZelda]

I would like to point out that Western culture, and European culture in particular, is not the only culture, and there are plenty of people with less harsh views on women embracing sexuality.

"embracing sexuality" is putting it lightly. But we're all entitled to our own opinions. I didn't mean to say whether anything was "wrong" or "right", I'm just stating my personal, western-born, opinion on the fact. And the fact that it's going on in a western society really casts doubt on whether it will work or not.

 

[conflictofinterests]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

Orgasm is an autonomic function which a person, man or woman, has little control over. (Consider "performance anxiety" and wet dreams.)

As such, saying a victim had an orgasm during rape is similar to saying a woman wet herself during childbirth.

Autonomic? My god, are you serious?

Fetishes. Dirty talk. Porn. Flirting. Arousal. All for nothing.

And then there's the rape fantasies that more than 50% of women have, but since it's just a mechanical thing I guess that point is moot.

I would like to point out the example I posited. Most people have control of their bowels, but extenuating circumstance may interfere with this, such as abject horror or childbirth.

In any case, I am clinically fetishistic, and even if I wanted to orgasm with my lover, I could not without my fetishes. Please do not use this as an example in your favor.

I also have rape fantasies. These are quite different from an actual desire to be raped. I roleplay in the comfort and safety of my partner's bedroom and do not go out looking for someone to take advantage of me. I also beg that you not use this statistic in your argument.

 

[Kahunaburger]

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The entire idea of provocatively-dressed woman = higher risk is basically bullshit. See this post:

Patterns of Behavior in Adolescent Rape_ by Vinogradov et al. in the
American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 58(2) April 1988 pp 179-87:

71% of the rapists were under the influence of drugs (inc. alcohol).
15% reported taking drugs less than 15 minutes prior to the rape.
21% premeditated the rape.
27% committed the rape while committing another crime.
16% were impulsive/spontaneous, "the victim was simply an easy
available 'innocent bystander'".
7% were committed after an argument with the victim.
6% after sexual foreplay with the victim.

89% of the rapists described the victims as not being provocative,
"The victims did not verbally provoke nor were sexually
attractive to the attacker".

Even an overwhelmingly large portion of rapists don't believe the crap about provocative dress causing rape. You'd think people would listen to the actual rapists rather than "conventional wisdom".

General population: dumber than rapists.

Blame-the-victim simply isn't a reality-based viewpoint here.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I think it is about time someone condemns these women for dressing like that as it is not acceptable and the majority of the world would agree with me on that point.

That is a huge assumption you are making. Why do you care how someone dresses? How does it effect you or anyone else? Oh wait. It doesn't.

It tells you a huge amount about the person and what they are like. Being a slut is not a good or healthy thing to be, hence the negative connotation.

1. The way someone dresses tells nothing substantial about who they are.
2. Why is promiscuity a bad thing? What makes it bad?

 

[A Curious Fellow]

Oh my good lord that's the stupidest thing I've read all week.

Including 4chan threads.

Rather than listening to advice that probably won't come in useful since most rapists know their victims and would restrict their lives they instead choose to have a parade. If those were my options I'd have a parade too.



That parade seems like it'd be a good place to find a one night stand though ;D

Slut >.>
So...are you busy tonight? <.<

OP: wooh, go women. There is definitely a double standard in the slut/player dichotomy.

The most succinct way to put it is this: A key that opens a lot of locks is a master key. A lock that opens for just any key is a really lock. Double standard rooted in an undeniable truth.

For a more in-depth look:

It's a fairly well known fact that the average women has far more sexual partners in her lifetime than the average man. This is because the average man not only will say yes, but is hoping to god that a woman will say yes as well, and are willing to put in significant effort into getting what he wants. Women, on the other hand, have little to do but roll out the welcome mat and wait.

It's easy for a relatively attractive women to have sex. A woman who sleeps with a hundred men has not achieved anything in any sense. She's offered sex to 100 hundred men, barring the odd and actually quite rare man who will say no, and that's all. No matter how much a woman may own her sexuality, a woman who behaves in this manner has done nothing but make herself available. There's no triumph in that. This is why we don't respect women who are infamously promiscuous.

A man who has sex with a hundred women in the same amount of time? He's done something difficult. He's wooed, manipulated, tricked, charmed, or made fall in love 100 women. One way or another, he put effort, time, and patience into what he came away with, and few men can say they were as successful. Even if you don't respect a man willing to have have free sex with that many women, you are impressed that he can pull it off.

It's not that complicated, and it's not unfair. That's just fucking nature.

You'll find a lot of double standards arose out of uncomfortable sweeping truths in much the same way.

Sorry ladies.

On the subject of rape? Of course it's an man inflicting himself on a woman, and not here fault at all. Don't be so stupid. But girls, if you want to stay nice and un-raped, not making yourself look like an easy and alluring target COULDN'T HURT. Don't go out alone at night in a skirt looking nervous.

 

[AgentNein]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

Orgasm is an autonomic function which a person, man or woman, has little control over. (Consider "performance anxiety" and wet dreams.)

As such, saying a victim had an orgasm during rape is similar to saying a woman wet herself during childbirth.

Autonomic? My god, are you serious?

Fetishes. Dirty talk. Porn. Flirting. Arousal. All for nothing.

Are there things one can do to increase the chance of a female orgasm? Yes. Does that mean that all women who have an orgasm must be experiencing pleasure because of it? No.

And then there's the rape fantasies that more than 50% of women have, but since it's just a mechanical thing I guess that point is moot.

rape fantasies and rape role play are actually very different than being fucking raped. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that.

 

[JonnWood]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

Orgasms are involuntary. Some rape victims have felt traumatized by the confusion between their intellectual denial of sex, and the orgasm resulting from it. Some rapists actually strive to brink their victims to orgasm, under the belief that it somehow legitimizes it. Ultimately, the fact is irrelevant to whether a rape was justified or mollified in any fashion. Your post blames female victims for being "fucked up", as if they somehow share in the blame because of their involuntary physical reaction.

It's either victim-blaming, or irrelevant. Either way, it's wrong.

 

[MajorDolphin]

"Sluts say Yes"?

Yep, that's pretty much the exact prerequisite for being a slut. The ability to say 'yes'.

I don't really like sluts. I don't know why. Good for them if they're proud of it, though.

Read the story. Its the first sentence of the article.

"Thousands of women in the US and Canada have marched in response to a Toronto police officer's comment that women should try not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised."

Let me break it down a bit. "Sluts say yes". "Girls getting raped are not saying yes". Get it yet?

I don't want to make any comment on your reading comprehension but perhaps you should do more than look at the pictures.

 

[babinro]

I dislike the negative connotation associated with the term 'slut' as much as I do the positivity associated with the term 'player'. Being proud of what you are or what you like though is just fine though...there is nothing wrong with what's going on there.

 

[conflictofinterests]

These views in society are changing though. They've been changing for fucking decades. A lot of people are finally coming around to the concept that women enjoying sex, and not just monogamous sex, isn't a bad thing! Do you honestly think society is structured so that it can't change and evolve? Just look at the homosexual community. They still get a lot of shit sure, but compared to even twenty years ago?

And a word like "slut" is a word that puts a negative connotation on female sexuality. Embracing the word is inverting the power of the word. Which some people may say doesn't work, but I see something to that.

I dare not post this scandalous swimwear without concealing it with a spoiler!

Spoiler

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

 

[AgentNein]

It is a societal tool though. Clothing was invented first and foremost for blah blah blah, that doesn't change how it's used today. In the here and now.

Then that's the rest of the world's choice.

However - I refuse to take part.

I'll dress how I feel and how I want, regardless of conventions and "value".

And hey that's fine for you. Not everyone works that way, and to call everyone else shallow for it just doesn't work.

 

[JonnWood]

rape fantasies and rape role play are actually very different than being fucking raped. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that.

Honestly, I'm starting to think troll. Either the deliberate sort, or the kind who thinks everyone needs the benefit of his opinions, and excuses their rudeness as being "direct" or "tough love" or saying "the truth hurts" or some nonsense like that, and can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact.

 

[conflictofinterests]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

This may just be my bisexuality talking, but I try to look good for me, because I think I'd be attractive one way, as opposed to for my boyfriend, who thinks I'd look more attractive another way.

 

[Micalas]

Nope, I don't see why it should be socially acceptable for men to sleep around, yet if a women does they're a "slut" or a "slag".

Well when it comes down to it, women really do hold all of the cards when it comes to sex. We can go tit for tat but a woman is much more likely to turn down a man's advances than vice-verse. Another thing to consider is how much more work it takes to be a "man-whore" than to be a "slut."

To be a "man-whore" you need to look somewhat decent, be interesting enough to catch someone's eye, and money most of the time.

What do you need to be a "slut?" A vagina and the word yes somewhere in your vocabulary.

 

[Deathninja19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaiMzLhliA

Nuff said Jim, Nuff said

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

Orgasms are involuntary. Some rape victims have felt traumatized by the confusion between their intellectual denial of sex, and the orgasm resulting from it. Some rapists actually strive to brink their victims to orgasm, under the belief that it somehow legitimizes it. Ultimately, the fact is irrelevant to whether a rape was justified or mollified in any fashion. Your post blames female victims for being "fucked up", as if they somehow share in the blame because of their involuntary physical reaction.

That's extremely insulting of you. I suggested no such thing. In fact I explicitly stated that I do not condone rape under any circumstances, and not anywhere did I suggest that women bring rape on themselves. What I did say is that women are fucked up. These seem like two very different statements to me. Don't put words in my mouth that were never there.

As for the orgasm being involuntary, I suggest you see my previous reply on that subject.

As for the women being traumatized by their intellectual denial of sex and the orgasm resulting from it: if the orgasm is a purely physical and involuntary thing (like bleeding) then why the trauma? Where's the conflict?

 

[chif-ii]

If they want a black dong in their backside no matter what it takes, who are we to begrudge them their wish?

*zipper sfx*