'Slut' Parade

[quantumsoul]

Being sexually turned on by a woman doesn't make want to rape them. Rapists will be rapists regardless of how they dress. It's offensive to men to assume we're all just rapists waiting to happen.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Since you completely ignored the reason of the march, I'll give it here, hoping no one's mislead.

A member of the police force said that if women want to stop getting raped, they should stop dressing like sluts.

Think about that.

Fashion these days, especially in women, is designed completely to attract the opposite sex. Oh, sure, they have touches here and there, but seriously look at how much is designed for this purpose. Think about how much our society emphasizes sex, and how much culture expect men to control the path of relationship, putting women, often, into the "attract people and hope for the best" space.

Then, blame them for getting raped.

These women are advocating freedom when it comes to their sexuality, when it comes to body autonomy, and when it comes to societal views on rape, using the term'slut' to gain attention for their cause. This is something that should be APPLAUDED and supported by all. Otherwise, have fun supporting the side that's blaming the victim for rape.
To the original poster - No. I find it a sign of how warped they are that you support the DISGUSTING comments made by that cop. I thought we moved past this last century.

 

[Steppin Razor]

Autonomic? My god, are you serious?

I get the feeling you don't actually know what the word means and have decided instead to make a fool of yourself by disagreeing.

It tells you a huge amount about the person and what they are like. Being a slut is not a good or healthy thing to be, hence the negative connotation.

I don't like it, therefore it is bad.

 

[Ris]

Ugh. "Reclaiming" an offensive word has never worked. They're all just as offensive as they always were, it's just that now it's become more confusing about who is "allowed" to use them and when.


Young people - particularly women - need to realise that they have a responsibility to themselves to keep safe. No, a man should never be excused from assaulting you because you were dressed like you were "asking for it", or whatever ridiculous excuse he might try to use. But that doesn't change the fact that a women dressed in a provocative manner is more likely to be a target than a woman who isn't. It's unfair, but it's the truth, and unfortunately there isn't really a way of stopping it from being the truth.

Dressing a little bit more, not drinking yourself impaired, not going off with people that you don't know... all really good ways of avoiding being someone's walking target.

 

[interspark]

"slut" is a description of someone, if they agree with that description and are proud of it then good for them! it's good to be open and honest about oneself

 

[UFOROMANTIC]

Escapist, I am disappoint.
Or rather, after this, Escapist, I am depress.

 

[LiquidGrape]

As for the women being traumatized by their intellectual denial of sex and the orgasm resulting from it: if the orgasm is a purely physical and involuntary thing (like bleeding) then why the trauma? Where's the conflict?

I can't believe I'm reading this.

 

[AgentNein]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

as I've said before, people dress nice because society links dressing nice or dressing sexy to self worth. Which is why I dress nice even when I'm heading to work. I could not give less of a shit about if my coworkers are attracted to me or not. I hate them all.

 

[Bran1470]

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They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

To be brutally honest, I don't think rapists choose their victims based entirely on their clothes, do you?

that guy looks like a potential rapist just saying.

 

[JonnWood]

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

Counterpoint: asexuals and lesbians. I'm a dude who feels better about himself when he dresses up, and as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with whether girls like it. I don't see why that couldn't be the case with women.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

Ah, yes, that old chestnut. "Everyone has the same opinions as me, they just won't admit it!" "The lurkers support me in email!" "The public knows 9/11 was a conspiracy!"

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

As many many people have stated before. Ill say again.

I believe women should be able to wear what they want and sleep with whomever they want without society calling them dirty names. What consenting adults choose to do is between them and should be completely legal. A healthy and safe sex life is good for men and women alike. I prefer women who have a healthy (condoms, contraceptives, regular std testing) and enjoyable sex life to those who don't.

However, I think that it IS good advice to dress appropriately for the situation and be safe. I'm not going to play pro football in flip flops because ill probably lose some toes, just as you probably shouldn't go jogging alone in your best stripper wear for fear of a few things, such as lack of breast support, terrible arch support, oh and arousing the local pervert on the corner.

If you are drunk on a Saturday night and in your hottest miniskirt with the 6in thigh high boots and that tube top... your best course of action would probably be to take a cab instead of walk. Even if you were wearing your pant suit and a coat it's still the best course of action. I think the skimpy (not bad) clothes could elevate the risk slightly, but, it's not the core reason why sexual assault happens.

 

[Dags90]

And people are still insisting otherwise. The general population: I know better than some stupid statistics gathered by a scholarly source!

To be fair, that study focused on adolescents. Maybe teenage boys are just significantly less affected by provocative dress and tittays than mature adults.

It could happen...

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape

Gentlemen, it's time to point and laugh.

Spoiler

I've always wanted to bust out Spidey. I've yet to see anyone in the "provocative clothing leads to rape" camp show any statistics to support their claim.

 

[EmpressZombiKitty]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

I don't think you leering at me would make me feel good at all. Like I said before, I felt beautiful alone in the confines of my own home, alone. How is that because of men, that I feel good?

 

[Terminal Blue]

Did you know that 25% of female rape victims had an orgasm during the rape? That's what I'm talking about.

Considering your lack of knowledge about how female bodies work, I presume you're a guy.

Anyway, let's do a test.

1) Take an electric meat grinder.
2) Stick your cock in it.
3) Turn it on.

Did you notice how despite the fact that an object is touching your penis, it's not very pleasurable and did not give you an orgasm? In fact, it probably hurts a lot and you are likely seriously injured. I know.. weird isn't it. Do you see how all contact on a sensitive area is not necessarily pleasurable?

Now, imagine you had an organ a bit like a penis but inverted and inside you. Only it's a lot less sensitive than a penis and for most people any degree of contact with it without also stimulating other parts will never give them an orgasm at all.

This organ has a very strong set of muscles around it which are normally contracted very tightly unless they are consciously relaxed. You can probably approximate what it is like to possess such a set of muscles by the fact that you have an arse. In fact, your anus is much easier to relax than a vagina. Of course, you probably don't have the advantage of having trained yourself to relax in that way, which will provide a relatively convincing simulation of the effects of fear during rape.

Since you've had time to recover from the meat grinder experiment. Try sticking an object about 6 inches long and 5 inches in circumferance into your arse. Don't piss around with foreplay and relaxation exercises, a rapist wouldn't. If it doesn't want to go in, force it. Like the aforementioned inverted penis (which we'll call a 'vagina') the inside of your anus is mildly lubricated with mucus. However, in either case it's probably not enough to make this process comfortable. Do you notice how much it hurts?

Once your chosen object is inside your arse, get someone else to stand behind you and manoeuvre it vigorously in any way they want. You'll notice there are certain angles which are more bearable than others, but that's why you've got someone else to do this. Make sure they understand than under no circumstances are they to take any account of your reaction or allow you to move into a more comfortable position. In fact, it may help if they're actually trying to hurt you, as a lot of rapists get off on that.

'But', I hear you cry.. 'I can't have an orgasm from my arse, how is this a fair test!' Well, actually you can. In fact, it's far far easier for you to have an orgasm from anal penetration than it is for a woman to have an orgasm solely from vaginal penetration because the inside front wall of your anus can be used to stimulate the prostate, a wonderful organ which most women don't have (some have an organ which is thought to be a vestigal prostate, but it's in a completely different place). In fact, this a far better, more intense and more reliable way to get you off than touching your cock.. not that you probably will get off because you're likely in incredible pain, and your partner doesn't care.

Now do you see why the statement you made is fucking ludicrous?

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

rape fantasies and rape role play are actually very different than being fucking raped. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that.

Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation tends to be the right one.

The facts:
1) 50% of women fantasise about rape.
2) 50% of women orgasm more often than not during voluntary sex.
3) 25% of women orgasm during rape. Note that 50% multiplied by 50% is 25%.

 

[Risingblade]

What is this suppose to accomplish? I know it relates to rape and how it doesn't matter how you dress but...the point? I don't get it :/

 

[edman270]

Because dressing like a slut connotates promiscuity. I'm sure your reply will be something to the effect of challenging me over why promiscuity is a negative behaviour, so let me address that now: I see it as cheapening and devaluing relationships for all parties involved. Of course, people are free to act as they please, just as I'm free to think less of them for that.

Well then you'll understand if I think less of you for being judgmental.

Or we could all play nice for a change

 

[Agayek]

Couple of problems here, number one everybody seems to assume that women are raped more frequently when they wear "sluttier clothes". No one I have seen has backed this up with statistical evidence. In fact, I'd say this assumption betrays the idea that the rapist is somehow understandable in his actions. I mean look at her! Shaking her ass, wearing revealing clothes, how can these men control themselves?!

Again, I'd love to see some statistical evidence here.

Secondly, where do we draw the line? What's "too" enticing? What advice can we give to these woman on what they should wear? A fucking burka? Is anything less than a burka possibly enticing sexual assault?

Now I could be wrong, since I am (and most everyone else is) missing a great deal of context, but I was under the impression the original comment that spawned all this was essentially a "practice common sense to limit your risk of being attacked" over a "it's your fault you got raped because of what you were wearing".

To put it another way, you don't walk through a dark alley in the ghetto with a wad of $100 bills in your hand. That's just being stupid and begging to be mugged.

Similarly, a lone woman shouldn't go wandering through dark alleys in provocative clothing or exposing themselves to needless risk. If/when they get attacked, it's certainly not their fault, but that doesn't change the fact that they were being stupid.

The moral of the story is, practice common sense and you will almost always be safe.