'Slut' Parade
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It's actually logically fallacious to deduce from the fact that something isn't proven it must be untrue. I think it's a reasonable enough supposition that rape is situational (though, as you mentioned, an abundance of evidence on this topic doesn't seem to exist).Blitzwing said:
Generally, though, I'm pretty stunned by the amount of ignorance on this thread, particularly those who are reacting negatively to women referring to themselves as 'sluts.' The point is destigmatization: in essence, that when people stop thinking that women presenting themselves in a sexualized light is bad, they will also stop blaming the same women for causing rape.
How dare you. Rape is not about sex. Rape is about assault. How the woman dresses or does not dress has nothing to do with it. Fucking is not the fucking point. Don't you dare blame the victim of a crime for the actions of the criminal.Serris said:
EDIT: suggesting that the manner of dress or the actions of the victim of a rape is the cause of the rape - even if only partially - is also to suggest that the rapist would be a fine, upstanding individual were it not for the woman's state of dress. It is to suggest that your house would not have been burglarized if not for your desire to have nice things. It is to suggest that the victim of murder would not have been murdered were it not for his desire to be alive.
In a perfect world this would simply be taken in stride and not a person would care, sexism is only sexism long as you consider it that way. If you think man versus woman you shall see sexism if you don't, no sexism TA DAH!Kpt._Rob said:
Wow true don't blame the victim that should never be done(has been done a lot in the past so try to forgive humanity for learning slowly) But honestly it is good advice though your clotihing could be part of the rapists reason for choosing you not the victims fault. of course wearing non sexy clothing could also be the cause so eh either way. Its just the logic of "don't want your car stolen? don't leave the keys in it" applied to rape is it fully appropriate? no but is it "how dare you" bad? no I afraid notStarCecil said:
She spelt slut wrong.
While 'women should be allowed to dress how they want' reality means wearing revealing clothes provokes violence. Much like wearing football colours.
When violence ceases to exist sure ladies wear what you want. Until then dress in a reasonable manner please.
While 'women should be allowed to dress how they want' reality means wearing revealing clothes provokes violence. Much like wearing football colours.
When violence ceases to exist sure ladies wear what you want. Until then dress in a reasonable manner please.
The comments to the article raise a good point. Why ARE women called "sluts" in a derogatory manner? Why is it that when a guy is promiscuous he's called a "stud" or a "legend", but when a woman is promiscuous she's a "slut"? That's definitely backwards thinking that needs to be fixed, I for one don't have a problem with a woman sleeping around like a guy does, it's only fair.
As for the main thrust of the article, women shouldn't HAVE to dress like it's 1940 again to avoid being raped, in fact I don't think that would even help. Rape has relatively little to do with the sex part, if a predator chooses a target they're going to persist regardless of what they're wearing. I also think it's derogatory towards men to insist that we're all predators bubbling under the surface who will turn from Average Joe into a lustful rape machine if enough skin is exposed with a womans top.
As for the main thrust of the article, women shouldn't HAVE to dress like it's 1940 again to avoid being raped, in fact I don't think that would even help. Rape has relatively little to do with the sex part, if a predator chooses a target they're going to persist regardless of what they're wearing. I also think it's derogatory towards men to insist that we're all predators bubbling under the surface who will turn from Average Joe into a lustful rape machine if enough skin is exposed with a womans top.
You know alot of reasonable human beings do you ? Pyschologists, sociologists and anyone whos ever left their basement would disagree. By and large the mass of humanity is ratshit crazy. 60% beleive in angels, more beleive that invisible zombie carpenters are watching them & listen to their whispers.Trolldor said:
Reality was the key word in my statement. Its nice to see you ignored that.
Nothing changes the fact that the way you present yourself does impact the way people perceive you. Yes, you have a right to dress how you want. And yes, a rape is always 100% the fault of the perpetrator.Trolldor said:
The tricky part is when these rights do start to attract dangerous men. I have a right to dress up like a millionaire and skip through the streets of Compton displaying my expensive necklace and carrying bundles of iPads - but that would increase my chances of being mugged. Yes, it would be the attackers fault but if I had shown more common sense it probably would not have happened. And before you ask, yes, I believe girls who go to dangerous areas without enough friends whilst flirting with men they don't know are not displaying any amount of common sense. They have a right to do that, but it isn't a smart choice to make.
If a police officer has seen ten rapes in one area, and eight of the victims were dressed in revealing attire, is he therefore forbidden to urge girls not to dress that way in that particular area? If he were to warn people about dressing like that; I wouldn't call him a sexist. I'd call him a police officer. It is there job to discover trends in crime and tell the community best how to avoid it. Hell, there may be a connection between the way girls are dressed and rape. I do believe there is much more to it than simply what they are wearing (which I can go into in detail if you want). I don't know - you'd have to ask the police officer. I'm just saying there may very well be a connection there (however slight it may be), and I think we should let him report this without screaming "SEXIST!!!! FEMALES HAVE RIGHTS TOO!!!!" like these girls are. It's a completely hot headed and unthoughtful response.
However this particular police officer was obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed. Women shouldn't dress like "sluts" isn't a very eloquent way of bringing your message across - but I do understand what he is trying to say, he is probably just an idiot. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
but your still assigning some level of blame on these women, if i went into a tv store and noticed a load of awesome flat screens, should i take one because they 'peraded' a load of tvs in their store?SilentCom said:Of the quote regarding "warped/hedonistic parts of Western society", the poster did not expressively say that it is the woman's fault. They pointed out that the slutty women were ignoring advice and instead celebrating the opposite. While I believe it is not the woman's fault for being raped, as rape is non-consentual, the woman still dress in a way that provokes men, hence the term 'provocative.'EradiusLore said:"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"TB_Infidel said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013
So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?
what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!
if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!
Basically, it's not the woman's fault, but she still made herself an easier target. It's sort of like covering yourself in honey and running around in the woods, only to get attacked by a bear or something. Sure, I didn't choose to get attacked by the bear, but I made myself an attractive target.
Another example is walking around in a shady area of the city after dark caring around a bag full of money.
The poster's point is that hedonistic behavior on part of the women is basically trying to remove all sense of responsibility from the women in an attempt to make them seem more innocent. They try doing so by saying it is their choice. They just forget that with every choice there is a consequence.
if someone cant control themselves when they see something its their fault 100%, it dosent matter if its a scantly clad female or a store full of electronics, you still have to exercise willpower and self control.
and consequence isnt really a relevent subject matter because we should be focusing on the point that people are weak minded not that people shouldnt do things because other people might take advantage of it.
No, it doesen't.Inglip said:
I said that as an alternative to rape. Instead of raping somebody for power, control or whatever, get a sex slave and you can pretty much do whatever to them and they love it. They even advertise themselvs on certian websites for "masters".
It doesn't fall apart, you just got the wrong end of the stick.
