So thay know how the kids would have been without smacking? Thats quite the magic ball they have.
Smacked children more successful later in life, study finds
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Personally, I think not enough parents these days trust themselves to discipline their children, because they're scared of taking it too far, or messing up their kid, or getting judged by the public at large.
You know what? My dad would give me a whallop everytime I deserved it. Yardstick, once on the backside, twice if I tried to worm my way out of it instead of admitting I did something wrong and promising not to do it again. It didn't mess me up, psychologically, just kept the fear of his wrath in me and prevented me from doing a lot of stupid stuff I might have gone ahead and done otherwise. My sister, on the other hand, didn't get spanked, and she's one of the most run-amok, disrespectful little idiots I know of. No one seems to know how to handle her.
I thoroughly support disciplining kids with spankings. Not BEATINGS, mind, and no weird objects to do so. This isn't for the parents to lash out in anger, it's to thoroughly imprint on the kid that This Is Wrong and I Shouldn't Do That Again. More kids OUGHT to be spanked, rather than be left to do whatever the Hell they want.
You know what? My dad would give me a whallop everytime I deserved it. Yardstick, once on the backside, twice if I tried to worm my way out of it instead of admitting I did something wrong and promising not to do it again. It didn't mess me up, psychologically, just kept the fear of his wrath in me and prevented me from doing a lot of stupid stuff I might have gone ahead and done otherwise. My sister, on the other hand, didn't get spanked, and she's one of the most run-amok, disrespectful little idiots I know of. No one seems to know how to handle her.
I thoroughly support disciplining kids with spankings. Not BEATINGS, mind, and no weird objects to do so. This isn't for the parents to lash out in anger, it's to thoroughly imprint on the kid that This Is Wrong and I Shouldn't Do That Again. More kids OUGHT to be spanked, rather than be left to do whatever the Hell they want.
Parenting is not about Happy Fun Times all the time. If your kids don't at SOME point go "God, I HATE them, they're so mean!", you're doing it wrong. Children are by nature entitled little brats, and if you do nothing to curb that other than gentle words and sending them away to pout and fester on the matter, guess what they'll grow up into?Tourette said:
A smack isn't exactly being hit. An open handed swipe with the palm is not the same as being punched or struck with knuckles.
If you ask me the problem is a small slap to assert authority on a unruly child (or citizen for that matter i.e. from a copper) is caught up in the same "punishment" where people take off their belts and leather their children.
Yes I was smacked as a kid, once by my dad when I nicked £20 quid out of his wallet. I was also slippered a few times (Dunlop Green Arrow trainer) at school. Both instances were enough to give me the understanding I didn't want it to happen again and taught me what might cause it happening again. They aligned me and taught me to have respect for the rules.
Still, there's always been crime, unruly behaviour and general nastiness even when corporal punishment was acceptable so it clearly doesn't work on everyone. Was it ever any worse or do we just have rose tinted glasses for the past?
If you ask me the problem is a small slap to assert authority on a unruly child (or citizen for that matter i.e. from a copper) is caught up in the same "punishment" where people take off their belts and leather their children.
Yes I was smacked as a kid, once by my dad when I nicked £20 quid out of his wallet. I was also slippered a few times (Dunlop Green Arrow trainer) at school. Both instances were enough to give me the understanding I didn't want it to happen again and taught me what might cause it happening again. They aligned me and taught me to have respect for the rules.
Still, there's always been crime, unruly behaviour and general nastiness even when corporal punishment was acceptable so it clearly doesn't work on everyone. Was it ever any worse or do we just have rose tinted glasses for the past?
This. I wasn't even beaten that often (but hard, nontheless) as i grew up. The result? I'm completely insane. If Sigmund Freud saw me, he would be greatly amazed by just how fucked up i am. I preferred, and still prefer, to avoid my father. I may respect him, but i do not like him.WrongSprite said:
Discipline does not, and should not, equal mindless violence. There are better ways to get the respect of your kids. Buuuut unfortunately most people here are just misanthropes who simply want an excuse to beat up their kids. If they will even have kids - or an actual relationship with an actual woman, for that matter - at any point in their lives.
It's OK, his giant spongey brain soaked up all the impact.McHanhan said:
We don't all have that luxury (twitch twitch)
Edit: Wierd, you live in the same town as me.
Utter rubiish. My cousin was smacked as a child and she's become a leech on society. I on the other hand did not, and I am now at University studying Artificial Intelligence and Cybernetics. You don't need to hit children to get them to behave. You just need to be a good parent.
Yes I was smacked and I think I turned out fine. People often complement me on how polite I am. Also a lot of the people I know who's parents didn't smack them turned out to be right dicks.
At 17, a friend once told me,
"I told my mom to f*ck off one time, and she backhanded me so hard I'll never do it again."
He learned.
"I told my mom to f*ck off one time, and she backhanded me so hard I'll never do it again."
He learned.
Hear, hear!.Disaster Button said:
Then again, it was a study with a sample base of about 179 students. As I said 179 isn't enough to be conclusive...but that many coincidences?.
I'm not saying the Telegraph is onto something here or that the study is faultless BUT for all intents and purposes I can't believe that the researchers for this study were idiotic enough to forget to compensate for "coincidences" in a statistical comparison of all things.
Whatever data they have is giving them a result. You can't question the evidence provided that they adhered to all the protocols but you can question the inference. While I admit their inference is a bit shaky because the sample set is too small for a definitive confirmation it must be said that the data values could be too big to be regraded as an error or coincidence.
I can vouch for that one, it's followed me around for a good portion of my life. It's not necessarily a bad thing though (but it tends to land one in a lot of trouble at times).McHanhan said:
Yeah, funnily enough it works. It's sort of like an anti-brat mechanism, nothing wrong with a quick 'clip round the ear'ole' as my dear old dad used to sayMcHanhan said:
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I got smacked below the age of 10. I'm willing to believe that, I don't listen to mainstream music so I can't be that stupid. :O