Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

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0z0wen

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Malyc said:
0z0wen said:
I love how the guy on the video thinks quick scoping is esential to sniping, I play a proper snipe on games even on Call of Duty games. Find a spot wiht good elevation, good line of sight with enough cover or camoflauge abd be patient. Let the shot come to you, the sniper is meant for a long range weapon, not for you to go in at sub-machine gun range. Thats why I am completely against putting ACOG scopes onto snipers on Call of Duty.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Even the thermal scope that you got was just about completely useless in all maps but the rainy one, and with the coldblooded perk, didnt even affect the outcome of any game.
For the record, everyone of my classes has the cold blooded/ninja combo, simply because i got tired of jackwagons finding me with uavs or the heartbeat sensor.
On Modern Warfare 2 I was sick of how little decent spots there actually were for snipers so I ran around with M4 w/ suppresor, cold blooded/ ninja combo and scavanger, quick scoping is bassically a showmanship thing. It doesn't affect your ability to gain kills it's just showing off, I prefer to show real skill in game by playing properly and tactically, unfortunatly Call of Duty doesn't like tactical...
 

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I'm amazed that people are really annoyed that you have to use a rifle the actual way now. It really speaks volumes about the kind of players CoD tends to have. This series has always at least attempted to bend towards realism, why would you be surprised that they aren't going to help you do something that would never ever work in reality?
 

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I feel like going rage on this thread, and all those crying "o now you'll have to use it like a real sniper" you do realize every COD map is extremely close quarters, there might be one or two long range "alley" spots every few maps and even then you can snipe with an AR. It breaks even long range sniping cause you have to figure out when you can actually fire even though your scope is on them. It's going to be so frustrating watching replays seeing your reticle dead center and the bullet not even getting close.
 

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So this means you have the use the sniper rifle as a uh, what's it called..?

SNIPER RIFLE?!

Instead of a one-shot-kill scoped shotgun?

How dare you, Treyarch? You FIENDS!
 

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Flauros said:
Well, time to learn patience then. Like a sniper.
*Ding!* Approval!

Seriously, if you're going to use a sniper rilfe, don't complaing that you can't use it that is not it's intended purpose.
 

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Malyc said:
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So it's not actually worthless, it's just going to be more realistic? I'm pretty sure that in real life snipers don't go around quickscoping
CoD isn't trying to be a realistic game. I'm pretty sure in real life you don't pull out your knife and knife someone when you have your gun already out and you can shoot him.
Hint: It saves very valuable bullets.

Also: If you wanna make the knife more realistic, don't make it a one hit kill.
Actually, it depends on where you hit the person. If you knife the spot in the back of the head where the brain stem meets the spine, it will INSTANTLY shut down all bodily functions, including breathing, heartbeat, and any ability to move whatsoever.
This is true, but I can't count the number of times I ran by a PRONE player who slashed at the front of my feet and I fell dead. or when you knife someone in the arm and they die... They ***** about realism in videogames when you can kill a man by knifing his bloody hand... Come on...

Sure... 2-3 seconds is a bit much, but snipers are not meant to run around on the ground. they are meant to hide. "Sniper's nest" means something. I look around, I find them, I kill them with a pistol from behind. FOr fun. SNipers are the one class I don't care too much about camping, becase it's what they are madeto do
 

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This is just a rant on COD snipers in general, but shouldn't the sniper rifle be accurate even if I'm no looking down the sight. No soldier would actually fire a weapon from the hip and just because I'm not scoped in doesn't mean my gun should hit the wall 80 degrees to my left because I'm not looking down the sight. Sorry I just hate that about COD, and all the other games that do that.

No quickscoping, fine by me
2-3 seconds wait, might be a little long how 'bout 1-2?
 

Malyc

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0z0wen said:
Malyc said:
0z0wen said:
I love how the guy on the video thinks quick scoping is esential to sniping, I play a proper snipe on games even on Call of Duty games. Find a spot wiht good elevation, good line of sight with enough cover or camoflauge abd be patient. Let the shot come to you, the sniper is meant for a long range weapon, not for you to go in at sub-machine gun range. Thats why I am completely against putting ACOG scopes onto snipers on Call of Duty.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Even the thermal scope that you got was just about completely useless in all maps but the rainy one, and with the coldblooded perk, didnt even affect the outcome of any game.
For the record, everyone of my classes has the cold blooded/ninja combo, simply because i got tired of jackwagons finding me with uavs or the heartbeat sensor.
On Modern Warfare 2 I was sick of how little decent spots there actually were for snipers so I ran around with M4 w/ suppresor, cold blooded/ ninja combo and scavanger, quick scoping is bassically a showmanship thing. It doesn't affect your ability to gain kills it's just showing off, I prefer to show real skill in game by playing properly and tactically, unfortunatly Call of Duty doesn't like tactical...
I used m4 ACOG, just bc i hated the sights on the m4... but you are correct, cold blooded pro, ninja pro, and scavenger is the ultimate combo for any weapon. My personal favorite go to weapon is the FAL ACOG. That is the combo i switch to when the game just isnt goin my way...
 

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ItsAChiaotzu said:
SODAssault said:
Good riddance. Do you know how many times I've been one-shotted by an M40+ACOG at point blank range today before I could get a second shot off with my MP5? Today alone, it's been somewhere between ten and fifteen. Oh, and let me preempt the "lrn2play": I average around 30-10 per game, regardless of play mode. Quick-scoping is bullshit, it breaks the balance of the game by giving a player the ability to score a one-hit-kill at any range without having to aim for the head.
Quickscoping is broken, yet you use the MP5.

... Haha. This forum is freaking hilarious.
You act as though you've got a point to make, yet you make condescending remarks and explain jack shit.

... Haha. This forum is freaking hilarious.
 

Malyc

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Malyc said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Phoenixmgs said:
b3nn3tt said:
So it's not actually worthless, it's just going to be more realistic? I'm pretty sure that in real life snipers don't go around quickscoping
CoD isn't trying to be a realistic game. I'm pretty sure in real life you don't pull out your knife and knife someone when you have your gun already out and you can shoot him.
Hint: It saves very valuable bullets.

Also: If you wanna make the knife more realistic, don't make it a one hit kill.
Actually, it depends on where you hit the person. If you knife the spot in the back of the head where the brain stem meets the spine, it will INSTANTLY shut down all bodily functions, including breathing, heartbeat, and any ability to move whatsoever.
This is true, but I can't count the number of times I ran by a PRONE player who slashed at the front of my feet and I fell dead. or when you knife someone in the arm and they die... They ***** about realism in videogames when you can kill a man by knifing his bloody hand... Come on...

Sure... 2-3 seconds is a bit much, but snipers are not meant to run around on the ground. they are meant to hide. "Sniper's nest" means something. I look around, I find them, I kill them with a pistol from behind. FOr fun. SNipers are the one class I don't care too much about camping, becase it's what they are madeto do
Finally, someone who understands the true concept of the sniper class. I think im gonna like you, man.
 

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the best news ive recieved all day, quick scoping is cheap and ruins the game, much like knifers in mw2 and noobtoobers.
 

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Iwata said:
So this means you have the use the sniper rifle as a uh, what's it called..?

SNIPER RIFLE?!

Instead of a one-shot-kill scoped shotgun?

How dare you, Treyarch? You F*R*IENDS!
There, fixed XD
 

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Love how the video narrator complains about quickscoping beng a legitimate playstyle while calling hardscoper "*****-ass snipers", bascailly belittling another legitimate playstyle. Just because the developers decided that quickscoping wasn't realistic doesn't invalidate that other playstyle. It smells a bit of entitlement, IMPO.
 

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In my opinion they should add that you couldn't hit the target with burst fire on assault rifle like you can't. And that you can hit nothing with pistols. And that you'd have to predict the movement when the target is in move and further than 25 meters. And that you could hardly hit target if not in aiming position already while standing and the target is more than 15-20 meters away. So you'd have to learn to shoot.
 

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I love how the OP insults the devs because they made a decision he didn't agree with.

It's their game. They made it how they wanted it. Deal with it or go play something else.
 

Malyc

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Phoenixmgs said:
SODAssault said:
Good riddance. Do you know how many times I've been one-shotted by an M40+ACOG at point blank range today before I could get a second shot off with my MP5? Today alone, it's been somewhere between ten and fifteen. Oh, and let me preempt the "lrn2play": I average around 30-10 per game, regardless of play mode. Quick-scoping is bullshit, it breaks the balance of the game by giving a player the ability to score a one-hit-kill at any range without having to aim for the head.
Quickscopers don't go 30-10 so what are you complaining about? Nothing wrong with quickscoping since it takes aim and skill, the aim assist is poorly coded. Isn't giving snipers the ability to kill at close range in one hit part of making it balanced? Because if you it took more than one shot or a head shot (that would just take too much skill) to kill, then a sniper has no chance up close against an automatic gun.
>quickscoping takes aim and skill.

MUST... TRY... NOT TO... LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!!
 

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Malyc said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Malyc said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Phoenixmgs said:
b3nn3tt said:
So it's not actually worthless, it's just going to be more realistic? I'm pretty sure that in real life snipers don't go around quickscoping
CoD isn't trying to be a realistic game. I'm pretty sure in real life you don't pull out your knife and knife someone when you have your gun already out and you can shoot him.
Hint: It saves very valuable bullets.

Also: If you wanna make the knife more realistic, don't make it a one hit kill.
Actually, it depends on where you hit the person. If you knife the spot in the back of the head where the brain stem meets the spine, it will INSTANTLY shut down all bodily functions, including breathing, heartbeat, and any ability to move whatsoever.
This is true, but I can't count the number of times I ran by a PRONE player who slashed at the front of my feet and I fell dead. or when you knife someone in the arm and they die... They ***** about realism in videogames when you can kill a man by knifing his bloody hand... Come on...

Sure... 2-3 seconds is a bit much, but snipers are not meant to run around on the ground. they are meant to hide. "Sniper's nest" means something. I look around, I find them, I kill them with a pistol from behind. FOr fun. SNipers are the one class I don't care too much about camping, becase it's what they are madeto do
Finally, someone who understands the true concept of the sniper class. I think im gonna like you, man.
Not hard to grasp... In the army you have to be able to hold your breath for two full minutes. Doens't seem like but, but two minutes withou tbreathing is an eternity. Why do you need to do this? To be able to steady your rifle for a shot!

In th army, they will set a sniper out into a certain area and tell him: Hide for 1-3 days. We find you, you lose. we radio you, you win. Why? SO they they know how to hide... So why do people get so pissed when a sniper hide and has to steady his shot?
 

Paragon Fury

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Oh my god, you actually have to snipe now, instead of abusing auto-aim and bullet magnetism.

Snipers (or DRMs) are not supposed to be up close. They are supposed to be in the back, annoying and picking off troublesome enemies. They're not supposed to have the highest kills, or the most score.

When you pick a sniper rifle, you are making an active decision to take a weapon suited for a certain purpose and role. Its not the weapon's fault that it doesn't what your twisted imagining of it is.

If someone gets up on you while you have a sniper, either hope your secondary or team can save you; because sniper rifles aren't supposed to, or even going to work at close range.

To put it more bluntly; if someone gets close enough to you where you are in danger of being shot or need to quickscope, you just failed as a sniper and deserve whatever fate is coming.

If you want to be up close, don't be a dumbass; bring an SMG, AR or Shotgun with you.
 

Malyc

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Mr. Omega said:
On one hand: I f***ing hate quickscopers. If you want to kill me at point-blank or medium range, use a gun that is suited for said ranges. Sniper rifles are meant for long range! MW2 was particularly bad with this, making it so that with the right perk, all they had to do was be facing my general direction.

On the other hand: With the exception of MW2, I can respect the skill it takes to learn how to quickscope. I've tried to do it, and it is hard, except for MW2. It must have taken time to learn how to do it consistantly. I don't like it, but I respect it. And 2-3 seconds seems a bit much. Maybe 1 second or possibly 2.

On yet another hand: Unfortunately, this will probably lead to more campers. Like quickscopers, I can respect the tactic. But while I hate quickscopers, I DESPISE campers. Yes, most real-life snipers camp, but most people won't be willing to part with sniper rifles, and will just resort to camping. And one of my biggest peeves in all of gaming is a team with multiple campers. 1 is fine, but annoying. Once you get past that, though, it gets REALLY annoying. I just pray there are more anti-sniper measures in Black Ops, because in MW2, if a sniper got into a good spot, you were almost powerless against them.
There is a way to get around this... You could learn how to actually take the fight to the camper... Like I do in Combat Arms. Camping has as many disadvantages as advantages, particulary with all the kill streaks that involve large amounts of firepower falling from the sky.