Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

[Vinculi]

It's not about realism, it's about balance issues.


A weapon that's a 1 shot kill long and short range should not exist in a balanced game.

No it does exist, and should exist..Its called the GOLDEN GUN.

That gives me an idea for a new match type: One person can quick-scope, and everyone else has to kill him to get his magical auto-aim rifle.

 

[Korten12]

Tried Sniping, felt the same... O_O No one is quick-scoping which is good, but the sniper is still good...

 

[CoverYourHead]

So... Snipers can't be used like shotguns anymore? Oh wow, that's such a shame. Too bad, looks like you'll have to use a sniper rifle like an actual sniper.

Seriously, this is the most idiotic complaints I've heard in a long time. The purpose of sniper rifles in games is to kill people from a range, not up close. I'm glad they fixed this.

 

[mattttherman3]

Meh, I was never good at sniping anyway, so it doesn't bother me.

 

[ikey]

First of all, almost all quick scopers DON'T get high scores. We don't do it to win, we do it for the challenge, and because YOU guys have been complaining about how we were camping when we used the gun correctly. I got nukes consistently when I was using a sniper in its intended way, but when I started quick scoping, I never even got above a 7 kill streak, and almost always had a negative k/d. I stayed with it though, because it was more fun and less people complained.

Every quick scoper I've ever encountered has always been ahead by a ridiculous margin. I personally have no issue with normal sniping. Sure, it's irritating, but I admit that it's a reasonable tactic. There's nothing cheap about it. Quick scoping though takes a weapon that has a strength in one field and a weakness in another and removes the weakness.

I don't see why Shotguns can't snipe you across map, yet Snipers should be able to OHKO someone from five feet away. If you're saying that quickscoping is fair, then you have to admit that extremely long-range, accurate shotguns are equally fair, because it's the same damn thing.

One word for you: Models.
Jokes aside, I'm not saying it's fair. If you expect everything in the game to be fair, then prepare to be disappointed. Getting a high kd while quick scoping requires a lot of skill in most games, and this is the reason some people think the shotgun should be secondary weapons. The shotguns can kill at short to sometimes medium range, while snipers can kill at all ranges, disregarding quick scoping, I'm just saying it can kill you no matter how far away you are. If they take advantage of a perk to make yourself better at something is sort of what a perk is meant for. I'm not saying the perk isn't overpowered, because it is. That doesn't mean they have to completely handicap the sniper.

 

[ikey]

Been playing awhile now
Is it me or are there very few sniper spots?
All the maps are broken into very small hallways...
Maybe it's just because the maps are new |:

Ya gotta get creative when picking a spot, you can't just always go to the big tower in the middle of the map with arrows pointing to it saying: "Sniping Nest!"

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Maybe, just maybe, people use knifes in real life to get silent kill. You know the ones that don't cause the sound of gunfire and have people running to where you are to see what happened? I know in real life if I had an AK-47 and a knife in a holster, I can man up and hold the AK in one hand while I stab a guy in the back of the neck. You can even hold a Light Machine Gun in one hand you know. You just hold barrel to the ground while you stab a guy. You also realize that infantry soldiers carry grenades right? They have magical devices that are legitamily called, "grenade carriers". Hell some of these oh so foriegn devices that seem to contain grenades, are attached to this thing that soldiers wear called a "vest".

Your logic is seriously flawed. Of course grenades and knifes don't come out of people's asses. By your logic, if pulling a knife out in CoD is "unrealistic" than I guess people are just pulling the extra clips for their guns "from their asses" too, right?

Just give up the "realism" arguement. It's a war based videogame where ONE THING got nerfed because it was cheap and overpowered. Deal with it.

In real life, you can't be in a stance that allows you to effectively shoot an assault rifle then within a second go to knifing or throwing a nade then back to being able to shoot effectively in the second after knifing or tossing a nade. The point is that, in real life, you have to basically unequip your primary weapon then knife or toss a nade; you don't have to say drop your gun but it takes some time to go from being in a proper shooting stance to grabbing a nade from a "grenade carrier" and throwing it or unsheathing a knife. A game like MAG does it properly where you have to cycle from your gun to your nade to throw it.

 

[duchaked]

so basically they've fixed sniper rifle misuse?
huh...
maybe this game's multiplayer is worth checking out-lol jk ya rite

but still, quick scoping admittedly as a neat skill (not totally cheap like SOME perks or whatnot) that made for some cool gameplay/commentary videos online

God forbid a sniper should actually have to be patient and line up a long range shot. Don't like it? Don't snipe.

lol pretty much that ^
snipers should be of the patient support nature
(note the reticle bloom added to Reach, nice to help keep snipers as...snipers in games now)

 

[Redalert9r9r]

Dear lord, people are being forced to develop.........SKILL???????

A TRAVESTY YOUR MAJESTY.

Seriously though, awesome move Treyarch, I commend the choice, I'll pick up Black Ops eventually. (unless you pull that $15 DLC bullshit like Activision did last COD)

 

[The Journey]

Read the 1st post, I don't snipe.

I read the first post, it's drivel.

You're bitching about things changing that put you at a disadvantage (and let it be said that the taking out of quickscoping is a good thing, and that you are sounding like a whining child, stamping his foot because he's upset).

This is what's called 'stupidity'. Don't like it? Don't play it. Like the rest of the game? Adapt, do something that isn't blatantly fucking horrific for everyone else. Quickscoping (along with akimbo fucking shotguns, give me a break) was one of the most rock stupid things I've seen in a shooter. It's death will be celebrated by me dancing on it's grave.

There is one thing that immediately burns my arse about Black Ops, and that's the god-awful return to a CoD1 spawn system (seems to be) and having people spawn, on the enemy team, directly behind you. Oh and the nuketown map makes this ridiculous. That map should be burned alive and then dumped in a vat of acid.

 

[Necromancer1991]

Read the 1st post, I don't snipe.

I read the first post, it's drivel.

You're bitching about things changing that put you at a disadvantage (and let it be said that the taking out of quickscoping is a good thing, and that you are sounding like a whining child, stamping his foot because he's upset).

This is what's called 'stupidity'. Don't like it? Don't play it. Like the rest of the game? Adapt, do something that isn't blatantly fucking horrific for everyone else. Quickscoping (along with akimbo fucking shotguns, give me a break) was one of the most rock stupid things I've seen in a shooter. It's death will be celebrated by me dancing on it's grave.

There is one thing that immediately burns my arse about Black Ops, and that's the god-awful return to a CoD1 spawn system (seems to be) and having people spawn, on the enemy team, directly behind you. Oh and the nuketown map makes this ridiculous. That map should be burned alive and then dumped in a vat of acid.

^ this

As far as sniping is concerned, it's impractical in CoD, most of the the maps are too small IMO. Here's a Wikipedia quote for you:
'A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel."

just too clarify, a sniper shouldn't be within punching distance, at that point your no longer a sniper and just an asshat with a rifle.

 

[MinionStarwind]

Good thing the developers dont care and have already made bank on your tears.

 

[kouriichi]

:/ ive been playing all day. And i havent had a problem with it yet.

Its a sniper. Its not suppossed to be good at close range. Thats what your secondays is for. Thats why you can switch to your pistol so fast.
Infact, ive had several good killstreaks sniping. ((8-10 range))

Chances are, its just you. :/ My friend mikes accuracy is through the freaking roof because all he does is snipe, and he hasnt complained once about it being "broken".

While it may sound mean, or come out the wrong way, if your having trouble sniping, its probabyl just you. And if you cant snipe, dont. Use a different weapon insted of RAAAAGE'ing about how your having trouble with it.

 

[[Gavo]]

Seriously? What a whiny *****. It's a sniper rifle. You have to stabilize your aim. Get over it.

A sniper rifle isn't meant to be used that way. That's what a, say, pistol is for.

 

[Fozza]

Not that I want to flame or anything but I fail to see why people even complain about this. Even in school someone mentioned it. As far as I understand the way it is now in Black Ops is far more realistic and a much better system. At least you have to be good with the sniper rifle. My opinon might have to do with the fact that I always thought the quick-scoping as a kind of cheat/use of failed game mechanics. I've not black ops played it myself yet though.

 

[Oilerfan92]

Is this topic seriously bitching about not being able to use a sniper rifle as a close range weapon ?

ITS NOT !!!!

 

[super_robo_raptor]

i find it funny how in the video he says "be aggressive with sniper rifles" i think this nerf is going to balance the game more and make it more of a team game where you have to work together giving your allies cover fire and having them cover you

 

[Fuselage]

Erm good, quickscoping was broken in the first place because of auto-aim.

All this means is less faggots with their stupid "MLG iZxQwiK Sc0Peziiiiiiiiiix" machinimas.

Listen to this man, "Snipin's a good job mate."

Wait patiently and line up a shot.

"Its challenging work, Out-a-doors, I guarantee you'll not go hungry, Because at the end of the day as long a 2 people are left on the planet, Somebody's gonna want someone dead"
I hate those quick scoping douches with their damn clan names like "Sons of Snipers" and "The Sniping warriors"

 

[kibayasu]

This is one of the greatest threads ever.

 

[GSpin]

I haven't played the game yet, but I think the OP is probably the wrong person to make this thread. To complain that "it is so hard to aim" right before saying "I am a horrible sniper" takes away so much from the point he is trying to make.



As for quick sniping, which so many people have brought up: I can't do it. I never have and I probably never will. That being said, I have no problem with people learning how to do it. Half of the arguements are "it's so easy to use that it's cheap." Well if that's true, learn how to quick snipe and use it against everyone else doing it. Eventually they will get as pissed off as you and quit using it.
The other half of the arguements are that "it's cheap if the snipe can kill at long and short range." None of you apparently realize that sniper rifles are extremely powerful. I guarentee if you attempted to get shot by a snipe at short range in real life, you would still die. Also, snipers in real life can still, in a manner of speaking, aim down the sight of a snipe without using the scope. The game doesn't offer that feature, and shooting from the hip in the game is a lot less accurate than firing a snipe, single shot, in real life.

Edit: When I say I am not against quick scope, I mean that I am not against people learning to actually learn how to. I am against the auto-aim feature working for quick scope.