Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

TF2 snipers
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[Jester00]

Well, time to learn patience then. Like a sniper.

than they have to make maps for snipers. the maps i played in black ops today aren't made for snipers. i miss derail and wasteland.

 

[C4N4DUCK18]

1) If you NEVER use a sniper rifle (or quickscope) then why are you complaining that sniping is ruined? All other players who use sniper rifles like the idea of waiting 2-3 seconds before firing. It makes more sense than popping in, firing and popping back out in less then a second.
2) In any place (real, or simulated) Sniper rifles were meant to be fired at long range, not short-mid.
3) Is it unbalanced if they make you use a sniper rifle for what it is, instead of one-shotting people as you run through a map? I don't think so.

Might I suggest you come up with a stronger argument before deciding that a game is "ruined" because the developer got rid of a really cheap strategy.

PS: quoting yourself in saying that you haven't played another CoD game since MW1 isn't a good move, as it shows you don't have much experience with the game. It might be a good idea to actually play the game and experience it for yourself before basing your argument on someone else's self-shot video.

 

[monkey-skitz 91]

snipers are long range support players. they are NOT supposed to be running and gunning in the middle of a battle. PROPER sniping is to hide and pick players off from a distance. they must be either countersniped, or dealt with at close range. quickscoping is a gamebreaker, which is why its been removed.

so stop whining, and use another weapon class. or learn to snipe properly.

 

[ShotgunSmoke]

Good, maybe some people will learn to play as a FUCKING SNIPER instead of running around and using the sniper rifle as a shotgun.

 

[Eisenfaust]

i think assuming that quickscoping is a sniper rifle's only use means that you're part of the problem, and no amount of whining will come up with a solution...

 

[Senaro]

I don't understand how quick-scoping qualifies as "sniping."

 

[guntotingtomcat]

This is righteous!!!!! Quick scoping is the technique of douches! About time it was fixed.

 

[Numachuka]

I don't get what you people are defending it for. If you want to go close range choose a close range gun. Also if CoD wasn't at least trying for realism why do they have real guns and places. Ya'know, apart from zombie.

 

[munsterman]

I'll go buy the game either today or Thursday (my roommates have tests and they play it like crack so I don't want to screw with their grades). But until then I'll hold off judgement. If it's really 2-3 seconds of aim time before the shot travels straight thats kinda crazy, but the video you posted didn't have actual sniper shots in it. If you could link a video of actual sniper gameplay, not involving quick-scoping, then that would be a better judge of if they made sniping "worthless" in Black Ops.

I snipe in any game I play. BFBC2,CoD4,MW2,Boarderlands, BFHeroes, Fallout 3, and Fallout:New Vegas I even "snipe" in RPGs, I'm usually a ranger style class in RPGs so I can pick and choose who is the major threat and eliminate or severely weaken them before they endanger my group. That being said I have both quick-scoped and "camped" and I HATE QUICK-SCOPING. It makes the game too easy and not fun. If you enjoy quick-scoping good for you but the most fun I have ever had sniping is playing a hyper-aggressive style with a semi-auto rifle while still holding back supporting my team.

Basically I get a sight attachment, Red Dot or ACOG, something thing other than the scope, and I stay just behind the ARs and LMGs making sure they don't have people flanking them or sniping them. Is it hard? Yes. Do I get killed? Yes, a lot. Does it take multiple shot to kill people? Sure, most of the time I can't get a clean head shot. Does my team win more with this strategy? Yes and they actually thank me for not "camping"/quick-scoping.

TLR - The clip you provided didn't show actual sniping shots so its hard to judge if your assessment of the game is true or not.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Gotta agree with the majority here, doesn't sound like a bad thing. Snipers are not meant to be used that way IRL...in fact, they should never be used that way. As for gameplay reasons, it helps to make the Sniper something different than just a high-power, low rate-of-fire rifle. I may be the minority when it comes to this, but I personally much prefer sniping to be a role of its own and not just a weapon choice, which is what this seems to be encouraging.

CoD is not a realistic shooter. Why make one play style realistic when none of the other play styles are realistic?

That's an idiotic arguement. CoD has to be somewhat realistic. I'm sorry buy a guy running around popping people in the head with gun meant for tactical head shots is a stupid way of playing the game. And all of the other play styles are somewhat realistic. An explosives guy will set up traps with bombs. Not huck them into streets randomly and hope for a kill. An assuault infantry will go right into the fray. A light machine gunner generally goes after people in narrow pathways to maximize the weapon proficiency.

Don't call CoD a Non-realistic shooter just because the way you want to play isn't how war works IRL.

Quicksniping is cheap, grow up, learn another play style if you don't like it.

 

[sharpe95th]

Oh no! You might have to play the game properly for once.

 

[Double A]

It actually seems realistic to me, because if you jerk a barrel back and forth, the bullet is probably not going to go where you want it to. It's encouraging people to actually use the gun for what it's for, not to run around acting like a prick.

 

[ryai458]

Good riddance. Do you know how many times I've been one-shotted by an M40+ACOG at point blank range today before I could get a second shot off with my MP5? Today alone, it's been somewhere between ten and fifteen. Oh, and let me preempt the "lrn2play": I average around 30-10 per game, regardless of play mode. Quick-scoping is bullshit, it breaks the balance of the game by giving a player the ability to score a one-hit-kill at any range without having to aim for the head.

Quickscopers don't go 30-10 so what are you complaining about? Nothing wrong with quickscoping since it takes aim and skill, the aim assist is poorly coded. Isn't giving snipers the ability to kill at close range in one hit part of making it balanced? Because if you it took more than one shot or a head shot (that would just take too much skill) to kill, then a sniper has no chance up close against an automatic gun.

Thats the point a sniper should be absolutely screwed when they have a rifle and the enemy has a SMG, so snipers should use a pistol when moving spots. Oh that person in the video is a lil ***** whining and complaining.

 

[ecoho]

When you scope in and shoot with a sniper rifle, the bullet will not go where you are aiming unless you WAIT 2 to 3 seconds to shoot after you scope in.


I don't understand why people support a game where one of the developers completely breaks a legitimate play style in a game just because he's a noob.

"Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We?re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!" - Josh Olin

1) The correct term is NERF not gimp
2) Quickscoping is only cheap AT TIMES because of the poorly coded aim assist
3) Even with the poorly coded aim assist, quickscoping wasn't even overpowered, ARing and SMGing would beat quickscoping most of the time.
4) Don't be lazy (and break a play style); properly code aim assist but I guess that's too hard

The most important thing for competitive online gaming is balance among classes and play styles. Why buy and play a game where the developer purposefully makes the game unbalanced?

EDIT: Stop using the "in real life" argument for being in favor of what Treyarch has done. In real life, you can't aim and shoot at a moving target at medium range and be successful. In real life, you have to stop, and take a few seconds to properly line up a shot with an assault rifle as well. Why should sniping adhere to real life while using an assault rifle and other guns don't adhere to real life?

EDIT #2: Stop telling me to go back to MW2. I only played MW2 for a few hours at my cousin's place and saw how broken it was so I never even considered buying it. The only CoD game I've ever purchased was CoD4. I don't like buying the same game every year. Furthermore, I don't snipe in any game online game I play because I'm a crap sniper.

This is not even all about quickscoping, it's about sniping. Now when you are sniping from a normal sniper's position and you see someone in the open and aim at them, you have to wait a second or so to shoot at them so the bullet actually goes where you aimed.

Ok im with you thats BS not so much with quick scopeing but if i sit for a few hours in a nice perch and i cant head shot effectivly im screwed. BTW to all of you who might say this is "realistic" its not, in real life no matter how long you have the scope up the bullet will go were you point your weapon (assumeing of corse your scope is properly mounted and allighned as any millitary scope would)

edit: id like to clearify a real sniper must keep their eyes off the scope till they see a target or they set them selves up to get flanked and then killed. We need the dam instant zoom and be able to hit our target. if you dont like quick scopeing DONT PLAY WITH SNIPER RIFFLES! that easy

 

[Tanzka]

Sniping, worthless? No.
Quick-scoping, worthless? Yes, thank you Treyarch.

 

[Riddle78]

OP,sniping works like thus...
-You find a well hidden point with a clear view of the surrounding area.
-You find a target,and inform your spotter of their position. Do not fire.
-Wait for your spotter to confirm.
-Line up the shot.
-Fire.
-Adjust your aim as your spotter instructs.
-Repeat steps 4-6 until target is eliminated.
-Proceed to step two,if other targets remain.

Call of Duty's mission from day one was to deliver an experience that was as realistic as possible,while still being playable. Quickscoping was an oversight,and I'm GLAD it got fixed.
Go Q.Q about a REAL issue.

 

[hyperdrachen]

''camp at the back of the map being a ***** ass sniper'' he means camp at the back of the map being a normal sniper...

Unfortunatly the poor balancing of sniper rifles in many preceding games has tought the average gamer that sprinting around shooting people with a high powered rifle at any range makes sense or translates to anything enjoyable. Sniper rifles are long range, area denial, and assassination weapons. They are not assault weapons, sniper rifles as they were broke the game. This actually fixes it. Maybe there's some hope for this genre after all.

 

[VanityGirl]

Is it just me, or did the guy in that video sound like a whiny little *****?
"Waah quick scoping is worthless now! Waaaaaaah!"

Black Ops keeps sounding better and better.