So according to some feminists, this anti-rape ad campaign is sexist

[Newtonyd]

I dont see how revealing cloths or the "leading guys on" is going to encourage rape...if hes gonna rape you...he's gonna rape you becuase your in a vulnerable position (alone..dark ally or totally sloshed and unable to think)

Nuh-uh, put two drunk women in a dark alley. One wearing a turtleneck sweater and the other wears a miniskirt, thong, tubetop. Add drunken asshole. Which one do you think he's gonna go for?

Not every rapist goes out at night thinking: "Okay, tonight's the night I'm gonna rape some girl." Things like rape, murder, and assault are often very emotional, 'heat of the moment' deals. As disgusting as it may sound, seeing a woman in revealing clothing translates to "She's asking for it" in a criminal mind. It places the blame for criminal actions on someone else so the criminal feels guilt-free.

 

[LetalisK]

I dont see how revealing cloths or the "leading guys on" is going to encourage rape...if hes gonna rape you...he's gonna rape you becuase your in a vulnerable position (alone..dark ally or totally sloshed and unable to think)

Nuh-uh, put two drunk women in a dark alley. One wearing a turtleneck sweater and the other wears a miniskirt, thong, tubetop. Add drunken asshole. Which one do you think he's gonna go for?

The one he knows better. Your hypothetical is the exception, not the rule.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I dont see how revealing cloths or the "leading guys on" is going to encourage rape...if hes gonna rape you...he's gonna rape you becuase your in a vulnerable position (alone..dark ally or totally sloshed and unable to think)

Nuh-uh, put two drunk women in a dark alley. One wearing a turtleneck sweater and one wears a miniskirt, thong, tubetop. Add drunken asshole. Which one do you think he's gonna go for?

Not every rapist goes out at night thinking: "Okay, tonight's the night I'm gonna rape some girl." Things like rape, murder, and assault are often very emotional, 'heat of the moment' deals. As disgusting as it may sound, seeing a woman in revealing clothing translates to "She's asking for it" in a criminal mind. It places the blame for criminal actions on someone else so the criminal feels guilt-free.

He'll probably go for the one in the turtleneck to show her she's not as unattainable as she thinks she is.

Most rapes aren't strangers jumping random girls. Most of them are friends, even boyfriends and husbands- people they like and trust- who feel that they are entitled to the girl's body or even her love. They may be frustrated she's not reciprocating, or they may be angry about something and want to prove their dominance. And just because something might translate to "she's asking for it" in a criminal's mind doesn't mean society should turn around and say "yeah, he's got a point," which is sort of what you're doing.

What I do find ever so slightly disturbing is the almost glamorous shot of an obviously young girl's nice legs. Should they really be attracting attention to an anti-rape ad using sexually provocative imagery? She's doing the toe-pointing thing and everything.

That was the first thing that caught my eye too, not sure if that's necessarily a bad thing though. Definitely feels a little awkward, but these ads are supposed to be placed in public areas, and are competing for our short attention spans against hundreds of other ads you'll see every day, they have to be a bit edgy to stand out.

It is unequivocally a bad thing. The last thing you want to do is glamourise rape, and the fact that she's got nice legs and is wearing what appears to be a very short mini-skirt just encourages victim blaming. Look at the lighting. Her underwear matches the bathroom tiles for fuck's sake. The more I look at it, the more disturbing the ad seems.

This is an example of a similar thing done properly:
http://www.care2.com/causes/edgy-new-dont-be-that-guy-anti-rape-campaign-launched-in-ottawa.html

Yes, you can tell the drunk girl is attractive, but it doesn't objectify her by showing her disembodied legs. She is clearly in a vulnerable position and the ad adresses potential rapists, not the girl's friends going "This girl is probably going to get herself raped. Be responsible on her behalf and call a cab for the drunk little slut."

 

[willingdruid]

Here is a handy video to help all of you who are confused about the humble rapists motivations:

 

[Vault101]

I dont see how revealing cloths or the "leading guys on" is going to encourage rape...if hes gonna rape you...he's gonna rape you becuase your in a vulnerable position (alone..dark ally or totally sloshed and unable to think)

Nuh-uh, put two drunk women in a dark alley. One wearing a turtleneck sweater and one wears a miniskirt, thong, tubetop. Add drunken asshole. Which one do you think he's gonna go for?

Not every rapist goes out at night thinking: "Okay, tonight's the night I'm gonna rape some girl." Things like rape, murder, and assault are often very emotional, 'heat of the moment' deals. As disgusting as it may sound, seeing a woman in revealing clothing translates to "She's asking for it" in a criminal mind. It places the blame for criminal actions on someone else so the criminal feels guilt-free.

He'll probably go for the one in the turtleneck to show her she's not as unattainable as she thinks she is.

Most rapes aren't strangers jumping random girls. Most of them are friends, even boyfriends and husbands- people they like and trust- who feel that they are entitled to the girl's body or even her love. They may be frustrated she's not reciprocating, or they may be angry about something and want to prove their dominance. And just because something might translate to "she's asking for it" in a criminal's mind doesn't mean society should turn around and say "yeah, he's got a point," which is sort of what you're doing.

What I do find ever so slightly disturbing is the almost glamorous shot of an obviously young girl's nice legs. Should they really be attracting attention to an anti-rape ad using sexually provocative imagery? She's doing the toe-pointing thing and everything.

That was the first thing that caught my eye too, not sure if that's necessarily a bad thing though. Definitely feels a little awkward, but these ads are supposed to be placed in public areas, and are competing for our short attention spans against hundreds of other ads you'll see every day, they have to be a bit edgy to stand out.

It is unequivocally a bad thing. The last thing you want to do is glamourise rape, and the fact that she's got nice legs and is wearing what appears to be a very short mini-skirt just encourages victim blaming. Look at the lighting. Her underwear matches the bathroom tiles for fuck's sake. The more I look at it, the more disturbing the ad seems.

This is an example of a similar thing done properly:
http://www.care2.com/causes/edgy-new-dont-be-that-guy-anti-rape-campaign-launched-in-ottawa.html

Yes, you can tell the drunk girl is attractive, but it doesn't objectify her by showing her disembodied legs. She is clearly in a vulnerable position and the ad adresses potential rapists, not the girl's friends going "This girl is probably going to get herself raped. Be responsible on her behalf and call a cab for the drunk little slut."

fair enough

however I dont think its "yeah, hes got a point" no one should condone that line of thinking

its more that YES unfortunatly there are dodgey guys out there, theres not much YOU can do about it but you can prepare yourself and take precautions

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

maybe she shouldn't drink so much she wouldn't get raped in the first place. We need strong alcohol laws in the US

Such as.......?

You'd think the guy would take her underwear all the way off first, or at least off one leg.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

OT: Joy. This is a fun topic to bring up. Well, nothing I can really say here.

 

[IronicBeet]

Yeah, those women are right. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go walk around in Compton while waving large wads of cash and screaming about how much money I have. Not my fault if I get robbed or shot, though, it's the thugs'. Sound logic.

 

[Madara XIII]

It is kind of sexist that the ad is treating it as the woman's fault. However, like it was said above, psychopaths don't need a rape ad to dissuade them. Caution is pretty much the only way to go here, unless women go vagina dentata on every possible rapist.

Which would be awesome.

I can already picture Quentin Tarantino directing that as we speak XD

 

[Newtonyd]

And just because something might translate to "she's asking for it" in a criminal's mind doesn't mean society should turn around and say "yeah, he's got a point," which is sort of what you're doing.

Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one. Because this ad campaign is victim blaming at its best. It's telling women to avoid getting raped as opposed to telling men not to rape. It's making them the problem, not the rapists. That's wrong. Why make this ad as opposed to making ads saying "Don't get drunk and take advantage of women, ya prick." I mean, imagine if you were raped while drunk and then someone said it was your fault. How would you respond? All you were doing was having a typical fun night out. It's the rapists fault for raping you, not the other way around. Yes, you should always take precautions to protect yourself, but isn't always walking around in fear of rape counterproductive to having a fun night out? Should you not party on the grounds that you might be raped, just like you shouldn't drive a car in case a drunk driver hits you? Of course not.

Rape is the rapist's fault. Target your ads at them, not the victims.

 

[AuspexAO]

I hate to be like this, but it's all true. Getting drunk, dressing provacatively, hanging out in bad places can lead to getting raped. These things all increase the chance of rape. BLAMING the victim? Hell no! The rapist is responsible for the disgusting crime 100% However, like many have said: are you really going to target a sick-ass rapist with poster ads? You think that's realllly going to stop a lot of rape? No, it will not.

The cold hard truth is this: Women/Men/Transgenders who are not situationally and self-aware are increasing the odds that a crime will be committed on them. They create opportunity and motive (two elements of a crime you shoud be familiar with even if you slept through most of Law and Order). Feminists are wrong to say you should dress how you want and do what you want. They're wrong and they're foolish. If I dress in an Armani tux with a big, fat gold watch and go to the middle of a crappy neighborhood to take a nap I am drastically increasing my chances of getting mugged. I create opportunity (bad neighborhood/sleeping posture) and motive (muggers like expensive shit). A girl who dresses provactively and gets hammered at a frat party is doing THE SAME THING. She is creating opportunity (frat parties have are not exactly places people go to exchange thought-provoking conversation), and motive (sexual predators want sex and the clothes are meant to display/enhance the sexually pleasing parts of the anatomy).

Now here's the shitty news. Is dressing like a Republican debate captain and keeping dry going to stop rape every time? No way. I'm sorry to say women will still be raped by people they trust, maybe even family members or close friends. Rape is about control so not every rapist is going to be looking for a miniskirt and a pair of "why are you still wearing those" pigtails. It might be that guy in Math lecture who thinks you want him because you let him borrow a @#%&ing pencil. It may happen at a lovely church retreat. But the point I'm making, and the point of this ad is that it's time young women learned the lesson that every eight year-old poor kid learns growing up in the crappy part of town. Don't make yourself a target. You're not "giving up your rights as a woman" by letting fear advise your wardrobe and choice of activities. Sometimes Fear is the voice in your head that keeps you alive.

 

[mcnally86]

I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one. Because this ad campaign is victim blaming at its best. It's telling women to avoid getting raped as opposed to telling men not to rape. It's making them the problem, not the rapists. That's wrong. Why make this ad as opposed to making ads saying "Don't get drunk and take advantage of women, ya prick." I mean, imagine if you were raped while drunk and then someone said it was your fault. How would you respond? All you were doing was having a typical fun night out. It's the rapists fault for raping you, not the other way around. Yes, you should always take precautions to protect yourself, but isn't always walking around in fear of rape counterproductive to having a fun night out? Should you not party on the grounds that you might be raped, just like you shouldn't drive a car in case a drunk driver hits you? Of course not.

Rape is the rapist's fault. Target your ads at them, not the victims.

I was thinking something along those lines. This ad campaign seems like it might cause more unreported rapes.

 

[Vault101]

It is kind of sexist that the ad is treating it as the woman's fault. However, like it was said above, psychopaths don't need a rape ad to dissuade them. Caution is pretty much the only way to go here, unless women go vagina dentata on every possible rapist.

Which would be awesome.

whats that?

dont know if its the same thing but I swear on a cracked article I read about a female condom....thats had friggen BARBS on inside...like fish hooks...[i/]fish hooks[/i]

 

[Newtonyd]

I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one. Because this ad campaign is victim blaming at its best. It's telling women to avoid getting raped as opposed to telling men not to rape. It's making them the problem, not the rapists. That's wrong. Why make this ad as opposed to making ads saying "Don't get drunk and take advantage of women, ya prick." I mean, imagine if you were raped while drunk and then someone said it was your fault. How would you respond? All you were doing was having a typical fun night out. It's the rapists fault for raping you, not the other way around. Yes, you should always take precautions to protect yourself, but isn't always walking around in fear of rape counterproductive to having a fun night out? Should you not party on the grounds that you might be raped, just like you shouldn't drive a car in case a drunk driver hits you? Of course not.

Rape is the rapist's fault. Target your ads at them, not the victims.

That's a fail campaign from the start, for any number of reasons. I'll try to list them:

1. Telling blameless guys not to rape just insults them.

2. Rapists often don't think of themselves as rapists, just like terrorists don't refer to themselves as terrorists. They shift blame to the victim, to society, to their parents, whatever. They aren't the problem. Some don't even think what they are doing is rape. Some might even agree with this sort of campaign and look down on other rapists.

3. Telling serial rapists not to rape is like telling a drug addict not to shoot up. Whether or not they do it again will not be determined by some crappy poster campaign.

On the other hand, telling reasonable women to take precautions, stay with friends, check their drinks, beware going overboard, etc. are things that can actually help reduce rape rates. I don't see any blame going on in the poster. The worst I see is scare tactics.

I really doubt any kind of poster campaign is gonna make much of a difference regardless, but this one is preferable to yours.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

It's because the ad put the onus on the victim. It makes out that it's her fault. Women should be safe to have a good time without men wanting to take advantage of them. I guess the feminists see it as equal to the old adage 'She was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it'

Personally I like the message of friends looking after each other while they are out and watching how much you drink but I can see why people might have a problem with it.