So according to some feminists, this anti-rape ad campaign is sexist

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Thaluikhain

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
It is kind of sexist that the ad is treating it as the woman's fault. However, like it was said above, psychopaths don't need a rape ad to dissuade them.
You are assuming that rapists equate to psychopaths.

There's a massive amount of people who don't consider themselves rapists, because they don't consider what they have done to be rape. They've just had sex with someone who hasn't given consent, but it's somehow ok because she was unconscious, wife/girlfriend/whatever etc. There are loads of people who could benefit from knowing not to rape people.

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You can't tell women they should bear the responsibility for not being raped without blaming them for it when it happens.

Secondly, of the 1 in 5 US women that are raped during their lives, only about 8% are raped by strangers.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/index.html
 

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SuperMse said:
I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one.
The problem lies in what people believe feminism is.

"Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women."

Too many people seem to think that Feminist means Matriarchy, which is simply not the case.

Also, why do you have double spaces at the end of each of your sentences?
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
SuperMse said:
I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one.
The problem lies in what people believe feminism is.

"Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women."

Too many people seem to think that Feminist means Matriarchy, which is simply not the case.

Also, why do you have double spaces at the end of each of your sentences?
It's how I was raised. It's an acceptable, though somewhat outdated, form of writing.
 

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Vault101 said:
TheDarkEricDraven said:
It is kind of sexist that the ad is treating it as the woman's fault. However, like it was said above, psychopaths don't need a rape ad to dissuade them. Caution is pretty much the only way to go here, unless women go vagina dentata on every possible rapist.

Which would be awesome.
whats that?

dont know if its the same thing but I swear on a cracked article I read about a female condom....thats had friggen BARBS on inside...like fish hooks...[i/]fish hooks[/i]
Rapex, or Rape-axe, a female condom type thing that has barbs in it that can only be removed surgically, though it's not the only one.

Men's Rights[sup]TM[/sup] groups tend to get up in arms any time such anti-rape devices are mentioned.

Newtonyd said:
1. Telling blameless guys not to rape just insults them.
Telling blameless rape victims it was their fault insults them, and makes them unwilling to report rapes.

Newtonyd said:
2. Rapists often don't think of themselves as rapists, just like terrorists don't refer to themselves as terrorists. They shift blame to the victim, to society, to their parents, whatever. They aren't the problem. Some don't even think what they are doing is rape. Some might even agree with this sort of campaign and look down on other rapists.
Correct...but that's exactly the sort of people that should be targeted, the ones who don't believe what they are doing is wrong.
 

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SuperMse said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
SuperMse said:
I fail to see why you guys are responding so vehemently against this. Is it because someone said the magic f word? No, not that one, the other one.
The problem lies in what people believe feminism is.

"Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights and equal opportunities for women."

Too many people seem to think that Feminist means Matriarchy, which is simply not the case.

Also, why do you have double spaces at the end of each of your sentences?
It's how I was raised. It's an acceptable, though somewhat outdated, form of writing.
Hmm. Oh well, to each their own.
 

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manic_depressive13 said:
And just because something might translate to "she's asking for it" in a criminal's mind doesn't mean society should turn around and say "yeah, he's got a point," which is sort of what you're doing.
Don't put words in my mouth.
You're claiming that women should know better than to dress provocatively because some men might think that she should expect to get raped for doing so, and they interpret that as a form of consent. That is victim blaming.

Newtonyd said:
As disgusting as it may sound, seeing a woman in revealing clothing translates to "She's asking for it" in a criminal mind. It places the blame for criminal actions on someone else so the criminal feels guilt-free.
Instead of justifying this mindset by telling women not to dress revealingly, maybe we should be explaining to (potential) criminals that wearing provocative clothing does not mean their (potential) victim wants to have sex. Presuming revealing clothing was actually the reason most rapes occur, which it isn't.
 

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Thinking about it I think a more generalised campaign about being careful while you are out might have been a better way to go. ie. Don't drink so much, watch out for your friends, stay in well lit areas.

This is just centres in far too heavily on rape. I can imagine a rape victim would look at this and feel guilty and stupid and blame herself and that's not something that should happen. Ever.
 

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Ads need to be more straightforward.

Uncle Sam, finger pointed at viewer

"Stop Raping People".
 

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A major obstacle to being logical occurs when a person reads a sentence and inserts a different meaning from what the words say. That's how:

"Avoiding irresponsible behavior reduces your chances of being raped."

becomes

"If you're irresponsible and you get raped, it's your fault."

The two statements are completely different. They aren't even similar or related. The problem with these feminist is that they see the first statement and then illogically jump to the second statement. Anyone who does that needs to go back to grade school to work on reading comprehension.
 

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thaluikhain said:
You can't tell women they should bear the responsibility for not being raped without blaming them for it when it happens.
Telling blameless rape victims it was their fault insults them, and makes them unwilling to report rapes.
It's not always about blame. That kind of thinking makes it impossible for anyone to learn anything about safety.

Should we stop teaching people about Stop, Drop, and Roll because we fear it places blame on burning people?

Just as someday you might get immolated, you might also get targeted by a rapist. There will always be rapists, like there will always be fire. In both cases, you'll want to be wearing thick clothing. *I kid*

I will agree that this campaign is an overall piece of crap, but not for the reason the article writer suggests. It doesn't inform people about risk of rape from family members and family friends, etc. The campaign should be aimed at parents as well.
 

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No, see, we're men. We don't get to be raped, because we don't have vaginas. So when we cry foul because we're treated as rapists by default (you know, male being the default) we're automatically incapable of understanding and are victim blaming for simply wanting to not be treated as rapist-in-potential.

That's the important message all victim blaming proponents want you to keep in mind. If you're offended by being called a rapist-in-potential, you are a rapist/misinformed misogynist. If you want to raise awareness by teaching people who've never had to deal with adversity the actual disgusting human side of things, you're victim blaming because you're not accepting your inner rapist.

Teaching a woman (actually, anyone. Because men also have this silly little opening in the back that's penis-sized) to be aware of her (their) situation, to not get so hammered that you lose track of everything around you, and to teach those selfish, entitled, jack-brained morons you call friends to not be so self-absorbed that they lose track of you in their own quest to maximize their own petty, venal, entertainment, and that you, as a self-absorbed, entitled, jack-brained moron, may want to keep an eye on your fellows, is always, ALWAYS, victim blaming. Because I'm free to do anything I want to without any responsibility to self-protection because I shouldn't have to be worried about anything while I'm inebriating myself into a mumbling ninny.
 

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Hmmm... When I go out on the weekend I will rape all drunk girls I see, because, hey, they've been warned now... Its their fault...! Great!

(BTW for anybody who didn't catch it.../sarcasm)
 

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There used to be a time where you could give someone good solid advice and say "Don't get overly drunk at parties when you don't know every single person well enough to trust them" without every single femenist, aspiring-politician, self-proclaimed activist, and the "oh-but-that's-sending-a-mixed-message!" wolves howling away at you about political correctness.

If I tell a female friend to not get super drunk at a party I'm at because some of the guys have been known to be a bit touchy-feely, it's because I care enough about her to warn her about the things I can't change. That's it. I'm not telling her it's her fault, I'm not blaming her, I'm just giving her honest and genuine advice.

Rapists are not interested in having ad campaigns advise them on how to deal with their urges. If someone is malicious enough to violate a woman and rape her, do you really think some fucking billboard is going to distract/dissuade him/her from going through with it?

This whole "it's putting the blame on the woman!" thing is such unbelievable horseshit. It's just an honest message to help raise awareness among women that enjoy partying and drinking. Why the fuck can we not just take it for what it is? Why do we have to read so far in to it? When you can't change the mind of the people committing the crime, you do the next best thing; you raise awareness and keep the potential victims alert.

Sheesh.
 

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DarkRyter said:
Ads need to be more straightforward.

Uncle Sam, finger pointed at viewer

"Stop Raping People".
I lol'd.

OT: . . . no. I'm not touching this thread. Not even if I had a ten foot pole and a full-body condom.
 

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The sad reality is that this can happen to drunk women. They are more easily conned in a drunken state, Even worse is when they pass out somewhere where nobody else is around, like in a room that nobody else is hanging in during a house party. Men can get drunk and not have a care in the world, women get too drunk and they become vulnerable. Its reality, and its a real shame the world works that way.

When did practical advice to protect yourself become victim blaming? Are you people saying nobody should tell parents not to let their kids play on the street at night because of pedophiles, because thats victim blaming?

Oh, and you shouldnt tell people not to walk up to and insult members of dangerous gangs, because thats victim blaming!
 

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Sounds more like they are address the very valid issue of rape that isn't some violent mugger grabbing a woman and is instead a misunderstanding and terrible mistake. Also, Yeah we need to keep mindful that we need to put up measures to stop rapists as well as teaching rape defense, whatever those measures might be.
 

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manic_depressive13 said:
Instead of justifying this mindset by telling women not to dress revealingly, maybe we should be explaining to (potential) criminals that wearing provocative clothing does not mean their (potential) victim wants to have sex. Presuming revealing clothing was actually the reason most rapes occur, which it isn't.
LOL? So criminals all sit down around a round-table to discuss their past and future exploits, and there's always an empty seat for some activist to come every week to try and convince them not to do it?

That's completely insane.
 

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Twilight_guy said:
Sounds more like they are address the very valid issue of rape that isn't some violent mugger grabbing a woman and is instead a misunderstanding and terrible mistake. Also, Yeah we need to keep mindful that we need to put up measures to stop rapists as well as teaching rape defense, whatever those measures might be.
Wait, a balanced, proactive approach that teaches potential survivors to be safe and aware, and teaches everyone to not take advantage of people in a compromised state?

HERESY!
 

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DarkRyter said:
Ads need to be more straightforward.

Uncle Sam, finger pointed at viewer

"Stop Raping People".
Actually, I should try to prevent rape from ever happening in the first place.

"Don't Rape People, and if you are already raping people, Stop immediately."

That's better. Way better than that other ad. That one just kinda turned me on.*

*Okay, I know I'm horrible for fetishizing this, but come on. Take out the text and replace it with a brazzers logo and you got a whole different kind of ad.