Not to change the topic but I actually liked the slower combat speeds of DAO, it gave the illusion that the weapons had weight and momentum. It complimented the relatively serious storyline. DA2 was too cartoony, the rogues would even flip over while attacking like they weighed nothing at all.SajuukKhar said:
So Dragon Age 3.... No Pressure?
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To each his own. I suppose the characters of DA II could be expanded upon in the third one, but not at the expense of the cast of Origins.Fappy said:
I am curios to know, however; How would you describe Varics character?
I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but DA2 ruined my play style and thus ruined my entire experience of the game. What was my play style? Tanking. I love to Tank, I love to get, pull and KEEP aggro. I love using a S/B combo to keep myself alive.
DA2 did anything and everything it could to ruin my experience as a Tank.
-Constant Ambushes, Check
-Every ambush attacking from every direction, check
-Terrible aggro ability distance, check
-Terrible early aggro abilities, check
-Make S/B combo pointless, check
-Terrible Tanking abilities, check
-Main Hero as a tank second only to companion, check
The HERO of the GAME was second in overall Tanking performance compared to Aveline (love her <3). Her abilities were the protagonist's abilities in DA1, but the protagonist of DA2 did not have those abilities. The frustration of being a good MC Tank by using a 2h was and still is unbearable. Thank you DA2 for giving my play style the shaft...
DA2 did anything and everything it could to ruin my experience as a Tank.
-Constant Ambushes, Check
-Every ambush attacking from every direction, check
-Terrible aggro ability distance, check
-Terrible early aggro abilities, check
-Make S/B combo pointless, check
-Terrible Tanking abilities, check
-Main Hero as a tank second only to companion, check
The HERO of the GAME was second in overall Tanking performance compared to Aveline (love her <3). Her abilities were the protagonist's abilities in DA1, but the protagonist of DA2 did not have those abilities. The frustration of being a good MC Tank by using a 2h was and still is unbearable. Thank you DA2 for giving my play style the shaft...
imahobbit4062 said:
You must be the one who will bring balance to the force. Or you're on the EA payroll.
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Dude, Dragon Age 2 already did that!
Bioware can just do whatever, the series can't actually get any worse.ToR, ME3, DA2? Yeah, sure, they might somehow reverse all of the EA influence and actually make a game that doesn't get the entire internet talkingSavo said:
about how bad it is.
You know, despite the technically lacklustre experience that was Dragon Age II, I still enjoyed the story and character interactions as well as the combat to a fair degree. Considering how much I loved DA:O I'm really looking forward to seeing what's going on with Morrigan and other such plot points. I don't think the Mass Effect 3 ending is that big of a deal, and personally I was pretty much fine with it for the record. So overall I guess I'm hopeful that Bioware will be able to remove the flaws from DA:II and bring back the intriguing story and character developments that we saw in DA:O to make a game worth the time and money.
I actually quite enjoyed Dragon Age 2 on its own merits to be honest, I liked the art design, most of the characters and once I got used to it I enjoyed the new combat controls. It wasn't without flaws but I liked the change in scope for the storyline and finding out more about the Qunari.
However ME3s frankly insulting & awful endings have damaged my 'faith' in Biowares ability to actually deliver a game now, so DA3 won't be getting any money put down on it in advance and might just get a rental instead.
Maybe not even that if we get DLC-palooza again.
However ME3s frankly insulting & awful endings have damaged my 'faith' in Biowares ability to actually deliver a game now, so DA3 won't be getting any money put down on it in advance and might just get a rental instead.
Maybe not even that if we get DLC-palooza again.
Here are somethings that I'd like to see in DA3:
-Legitimate Friendships with party members of the same gender. Yes, include homosexual relationships, that's great. But every time I played the game, I tried to be friends with Fenris and/or Anders and I never really get as high as other characters because I didn't feel like teasing or flirting with them every other conversation. DA1 handled this very well with Zevron (who was kinda a weak character, but I could actually be friendly with him) in having an initial conversation which suggested friendship without a relationship right away without it being forced.
-For that matter, have the relationships in the game actually mean something. In DA1 and 2, they felt kinda bland. In one sense, it felt like they had a single sex scene for an accomplishment, then had some slightly modified dialogue with no real problems. I understand that it shouldn't consume the entire game, but have some form of peril or realistic aspects of relationships, such as legitimate disagreements and the aspect of settling down.
-A new character, I admire the fact that they tried making a spoken character in Hawke but I feel like Hawke now has too much baggage to be running around on a new set of adventures. Again, I liked what they did with DA1 with multiple origins, if they could figure out how to do that (maybe fewer?) but with a voiced role (difficult, I know), then that'd be awesome.
-Obvious issues that they're already mentioning that they're going to fix, such as customization of characters and differentiated dungeons, if they fix these things in the slightest, it'll be an improvement from DA2.
-Legitimate Friendships with party members of the same gender. Yes, include homosexual relationships, that's great. But every time I played the game, I tried to be friends with Fenris and/or Anders and I never really get as high as other characters because I didn't feel like teasing or flirting with them every other conversation. DA1 handled this very well with Zevron (who was kinda a weak character, but I could actually be friendly with him) in having an initial conversation which suggested friendship without a relationship right away without it being forced.
-For that matter, have the relationships in the game actually mean something. In DA1 and 2, they felt kinda bland. In one sense, it felt like they had a single sex scene for an accomplishment, then had some slightly modified dialogue with no real problems. I understand that it shouldn't consume the entire game, but have some form of peril or realistic aspects of relationships, such as legitimate disagreements and the aspect of settling down.
-A new character, I admire the fact that they tried making a spoken character in Hawke but I feel like Hawke now has too much baggage to be running around on a new set of adventures. Again, I liked what they did with DA1 with multiple origins, if they could figure out how to do that (maybe fewer?) but with a voiced role (difficult, I know), then that'd be awesome.
-Obvious issues that they're already mentioning that they're going to fix, such as customization of characters and differentiated dungeons, if they fix these things in the slightest, it'll be an improvement from DA2.
They did the worst thing they could of done in Dragon Age 2...
NO...dual...wielding...WARRIOR!
That made me crazy, I loved that in Dragon Age Origin it seemed to give you more freedom as a weed whacking warrior.
Either then that the story made no sense at times and got me bored, the map was small and limp compared to DA:O/Awakening, the characters seemed more dull compared to DA:O and it seemed more rushed.
Still the combat was good with me. To make DA:3 perfect, make it DA:O except with DA:2 combat speed.
So...'no pressure'...nah. *Piles pressure on Bioware*
Don't make me hate you guys more~!
NO...dual...wielding...WARRIOR!
That made me crazy, I loved that in Dragon Age Origin it seemed to give you more freedom as a weed whacking warrior.
Either then that the story made no sense at times and got me bored, the map was small and limp compared to DA:O/Awakening, the characters seemed more dull compared to DA:O and it seemed more rushed.
Still the combat was good with me. To make DA:3 perfect, make it DA:O except with DA:2 combat speed.
So...'no pressure'...nah. *Piles pressure on Bioware*
Don't make me hate you guys more~!
I laughed for a few seconds when I read your post. If the likes of Richard Garriott, Will Wright and Peter Molyneux couldn't stop EA from rushing out and screwing with their products, what makes you think Bioware's executive team will be any different?Nero18 said:
You need to brush up on EA's track record. Origin Systems - created two blockbuster franchises in Ultima and Wing Commander. Turned into an online-only developer within five years of being acquired by EA. Shut down numerous surefire projects (Harry Potter Online, for instance) and cut the development budget back on Ultima VIII and IX, leaving them as buggy, unfinished messes. Shut down in 2004 after consolidating staff at EA's offices. Rebranded as buggy malware disguised as a digital distribution platform.
Westwood founded Command & Conquer - they were certainly on top of their game when EA got their hooks into them. Most of the staff quit in protest. They turned a top-down RTS into a generic first-person shooter, then canned the sequel to that game after five years of letting management run amok. Now the C&C licence has been ported over to a new Bioware division - no points on guessing how that'll turn out.
Bullfrog. Games were rushed to the shelves for the holiday season over Molyneux's repeated claims they weren't finished yet. Maxis - only saved from being shut down outright because of SimCity 3000, turned into a cash cow via The Sims, and had Spore pirated more times than any game in history because of ridiculous DRM schemes.
Every month, there's bad news coming out of Bioware. Let's put aside the mass staff dismissals and departures between ME2 and DAII (Brent Knowles, for instance, who'd been with the company as a writer since Baldur's Gate, left over EA's decision to rush the game). TOR is hemorrhaging subscribers, to the point that it's already going F2P after a year. DAII was a disappointment in sales and critical response. ME3 barely sold more units than its previous installment, even with the pre-release hype and massive marketing blitz.
EA's track record speaks for itself.
boxesFappy said:
As mentioned above, DA1 combat "weighed" more. In general, in my opinion, DA2 as a whole (meaning everything from combat to environment) felt like made from cardboard boxes
I liked the game for the most part, but that always bothered me.Am I the only one who thought the art design in DA O was kinda generic, and the combat was kinda meh, it wasn't particularly engaging, the combat in DA2 was faster and more responsive, the only issue was that it was wave based, but I blame a lot of DA2's issues on it's incredibly short development time.
If you've had the unfortunate pleasure of visiting the BSN anytime in the last year you'd know the Escapist is hardly what I am basing this off of. They may not take the concerns of a random gaming site seriously, but their own community had made enormous impacts on their business decisions. I would hate to be a community manager for Bioware... my blood preasure would be through the roof.Nimcha said:
I think you'd be surprised at their willingness to keep tabs on general fan opinion.Nimcha said:
I actually give the DA team the benefit of the doubt because of their actions after the game's release. I was surprised, after playing DAII and being underwhelmed, to see David Gaider come out publicly on the Bioware Social Network (I'm a member) and admit that the game wasn't up to spec just a month after its release. I may not agree with the direction they're intending to take the next game, and their recent announcements trumping up gameplay elements that have been a staple of RPG's for years gives me pause, but I'm looking forward to DAIII more than I am towards anything related to ME.
the people of BSN wouldn't be happy if Bioware made a game that crapped solid gold bricks on demand, they would probably complain the bricks aren't shiny enough or something.Fappy said:
BSN has ALWAYS, since before ME1, been full of people who think everything Bioware does is the single worst thing of all time.
True, though I think Bioware's mastered the art of interpreting bitching at this point. A certain level of bitching is perfectly within their acceptable level of positive/negative feedback. If only 60% of them complain its a win.SajuukKhar said:
I think 60% is a tad unreasonable given how BSN is, I would put it up to 80%.Fappy said:True, though I think Bioware's mastered the art of interpreting bitching at this point. A certain level of bitching is perfectly within their acceptable level of positive/negative feedback. If only 60% of them complain its a win.