So... fat chicks.

[peterwolfe]

this reminds me of the south park episode, where stan's dad accidentally said niggers annoyed him on wheel of fortune. this is just like that: it could be offensive, but it's not like it's meant to be. it's meant to be funny.

and for the record, i like women, but at the same time i play games where women are either portrayed as week or evil. people who play the game aren't going to suddenly hate fat people, in the same sense that people who play Mario aren't going to suddenly hate turtles, or Zelda fans hating desert people.

 

[Exosus]

I think people's point about FFX is that it presented an arguably matriarchal society, the High Summoners being all female, but then put them behind Guardians, implying that they were weak and needed protecting. Add to this the fact that one of the guardians was female, but that it was seen as somewhat strange to have a female guardian, and it was more than enough to create food for thought, assuming you were so inclined.

 

[Break]

I was going to join just so I could ruin everyone elses parade by talking sense into them and telling them how stupid she is. Seriously, her middle finger looks like a really short, fat, sausage. If she were smart she would realize that you are saving her despite the fact that she's fat.

Yes. Shame that it's been repeatedly stated all over the place that that's not the point. What does her finger have to do with anything, anyway?

 

[excessum ado]

That woman is fat and unnatractive.

 

[Littaly]

I don't get it, a fat princess sets a bad ideal, a thin princess sets a bad ideal, if they made a game with a chubby pricess, would THAT be ok?

 

[lord kamina]

/Facepalm. This is truly ridicolous. Some people get offended way too easily by games.

finally some sense!

 

[AntiAntagonist]

Sure, it works both ways. That means that neither a self-labeled feminist nor a self-labeled not-feminist can truly own "equality."

Still, I find the idea of deliberately and vocally calling oneself an anti-feminist, as some do in this thread, to be tons more dubious than the idea of deliberately and vocally calling oneself a feminist.

Me? I try to put on funny label-hats only when it'll piss people off. They're pretty useless otherwise.

-- Alex

Yeah, when I put on the hat I was just trying to make a point of semantics and language. I'm sure people who know me could find non or anti-equality evidence in my life. However the ideal of feminism is equality, which is an idea that people have disassociated with feminism due to the more vocal weirdos.

A person could be a "liberal" who believes all industry should be gone. However this is a fringe belief, like the NRA member that is getting ready for an 'impending secessionist movement.' Even though most NRA, or conservative beliefs don't believe that tripe.

frontier psychologist doesn't seem to have read my posts in full. Also doesn't seem to understand the concept of anecdotal evidence or reading previously made citations.

Since my beliefs are generally widespread I try not to describe my positions often under a banner. However equality is something that started as abolitionist and feminist movements. I agree with you, Alex, since adorning labels to a lapel will draw lines in the sand before a point can be made. I tend not to, if only so people will actually listen to my ideas before shooting them down out of hand.

 

[BladesofReason]

Having read Melissa McEwan's blog and comments from said blog I really have to say that the most appalling part for me was the comments made by her and her supporters. I understand what they are trying to say, I get what they mean but of all the people posting there they are the ones being overtly hostile towards anyone and everyone who thinks that they are in any way less then 100% correct.

They answer nearly every form of comment that doesn't conform to their views as whinings of "bigots" and "loserz" who will never have sex in their lives because they are pedantic misanthropes who have absolutely nothing better to do then troll their blog. Even the simple comment of "Melissa I think you're taking this a WEE bit too far" (which I agree with) was greeted directly with derision and insults. Except for the occasional flame every mention of sex, bigotry and racism (yes there is racism in there) has been perpetrated by her supporters.

It also doesn't help their argument when they insult their detractors intelligence and proceed to use words like "lulz" and "dudez" and various cliche phrases in nearly every response. I sincerely apologize if this post was off topic, but it really disheartened me to see, and I think in some ways points out obvious problems with their attitudes and arguments.

 

[meone007]

I dont see what the problem is, if it was really anti fat people, then the little guys would say screw it, she's not worth rescuing. In fact, how it stands, it's pro love, in the way that even though she is morbidly obese, they still send every man they have to their doom to get her back... aww, what a beautiful love story to eat cake and sit on your ass too...

 

[Arondight]

I just read this whole thread.

Wow.

I need a nap.

 

[Cerebrium]

Should have just been called Fat *****, i would give Sony huge respect if they did that.

I would pay money for a PS3 just to play a game that pisses off a fat bull-dyke feminist. I would feel I was doing my part for the male species.

 

[TheLoneOne]

I think the problem is that people nowadays get so easily offended over the smallest things that it's hard to push boundries and stereotypes. I mean just look at Mel Brooks. Do you think he could've gotten away with half the stuff he did in Blazing Saddles or History of the World Part 1 now? Protestors would be screaming for his head. Simple solution. quit the bitching and see how the game turns out. personally, it looks like it might be an interesting game. worth checkin out at least

 

[excessum ado]

That woman is fat and unnatractive.

 

[mark_n_b]

ahh yes, what would a game forum be without this thread. Seriously, you guys don't get it? It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

If the game were titled Huge Fro, in which the kidnapped was an African prince and the longer it took you to get him back the larger his curly black-man fro got making it harder and harder to rescue him, there would be no question about how racist the game was.

The fact that this thread is titled "Soo... fat chicks" and the casual way in which you drop offensive editorial comments about a blog poster who isn't even all that fat (OK she isn't Jessica Alba, are you?) is really very telling about where your bias and leanings are.

Oh here's one, maybe we could replace the princess with a quadriplegic member of the court and call the game "The Royal Gimp"

Good Grief, how much web space in going to be lost to such a clearly cut and dry issue?

 

[sirdanrhodes]

I MUST NOW OWN A PS3 FOR THIS GAME!!! I hope this game sells like hotcakes.(see that shitty pun?)

 

[Cerebrium]

ahh yes, what would a game forum be without this thread. Seriously, you guys don't get it? It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

If the game were titled Huge Fro, in which the kidnapped was an African prince and the longer it took you to get him back the larger his curly black-man fro got making it harder and harder to rescue him, there would be no question about how racist the game was.

The fact that this thread is titled "Soo... fat chicks" and the casual way in which you drop offensive editorial comments about a blog poster who isn't even all that fat (OK she isn't Jessica Alba, are you?) is really very telling about where your bias and leanings are.

Oh here's one, maybe we could replace the princess with a quadriplegic member of the court and call the game "The Royal Gimp"

Good Grief, how much web space in going to be lost to such a clearly cut and dry issue?

You're the kind of person we're talking about. You just compared quadriplegia and racism to being fat. Quadriplegics and ethnic minorites don't have a choice about that. If someone's fat, USUALLY it's their own doing. You call us insensitive, yet you compare a self-inflicted condition to RACISM and quapruple amputees!

 

[Lord Krunk]

Jesus, if you want to sue over something as trivial as this, you deserve to be discriminated against.

I personally don't care about the whole discrimination thing; it's new, innovative and humorous.

Really, I believe it's what the gaming industry needs at the moment: a good hard fat princess sitting on.

As innovative as the game is, I still can't see myself playing this.

 

[Jumplion]

ahh yes, what would a game forum be without this thread. Seriously, you guys don't get it? It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

If the game were titled Huge Fro, in which the kidnapped was an African prince and the longer it took you to get him back the larger his curly black-man fro got making it harder and harder to rescue him, there would be no question about how racist the game was.

The fact that this thread is titled "Soo... fat chicks" and the casual way in which you drop offensive editorial comments about a blog poster who isn't even all that fat (OK she isn't Jessica Alba, are you?) is really very telling about where your bias and leanings are.

Oh here's one, maybe we could replace the princess with a quadriplegic member of the court and call the game "The Royal Gimp"

Good Grief, how much web space in going to be lost to such a clearly cut and dry issue?

You're the kind of person we're talking about. You just compared quadriplegia and racism to being fat. Quadriplegics and ethnic minorites don't have a choice about that. If someone's fat, USUALLY it's their own doing. You call us insensitive, yet you compare a self-inflicted condition to RACISM and quapruple amputees!

And if you take out the "Fat" part, then it's just a regular woman overreacting to a game we don't know a whole lot about.

So, can we let this thread die? Please?

 

[Alex_P]

Since my beliefs are generally widespread I try not to describe my positions often under a banner. However equality is something that started as abolitionist and feminist movements. I agree with you, Alex, since adorning labels to a lapel will draw lines in the sand before a point can be made. I tend not to, if only so people will actually listen to my ideas before shooting them down out of hand.

I mostly avoid it because a lot of people want to club you with labels to get you to do what they want:
"You're not really a feminist unless you side with me on this particular issue!"
(Response: "Umm, okay, guess I'm not really a feminist, then. Whatever. Bye.")

-- Alex

 

[AntiAntagonist]

I think the problem is that people nowadays get so easily offended over the smallest things that it's hard to push boundries and stereotypes. I mean just look at Mel Brooks. Do you think he could've gotten away with half the stuff he did in Blazing Saddles or History of the World Part 1 now? Protestors would be screaming for his head. Simple solution. quit the bitching and see how the game turns out. personally, it looks like it might be an interesting game. worth checkin out at least

'cept that The Producers wouldn't be touched by major studios for ages and was released via an independent. The two films mentioned were after he had proven himself as a solid "risque" investment. Those films aren't as controversial now for a variety of reasons, but mostly time.

Sensitivity isn't new.